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Vote Count 2.10

Luna Lovegood

( 0 )

Dante

( 0 )

DeasVail

( 0 )

Shadowy Poison

( 0 )

Rail Tracer

( 0 )

PeaceBringer

( 1 ) mnemonicdevice

mnemonicdevice

( 8 ) Dante , Rail Tracer , Metal Unites Mutley , Luna Lovegood , Mitillos , PeregrineV , DeasVail

ooba

( 0 )

PeregrineV

( 0 )

Kmd4390

Nani

( 2 ) BBmolla , Majiffy

Metal Unites Mutley

( 0 )

Mitillos

( 3 ) Shadowy Poison , PeaceBringer , Kmd4390

RadiantCowbells

( 0 )

Majiffy

Diabolik

( 0 )

BBmolla

( 2 ) RadiantCowbells , ooba

Not voting:

With 15 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is in

The Metal Sonic half of Metal Unites Mutley is V/LA until Friday.

@Luna: Your DV vote that post seemed tacked on.

If there's a Vig, please take care of BBM.

mnemonicdevice, you're at L-1. Please claim.

OK. catching up and waiting for MDs claim

Ok I'm looking at these ISOs and remember I have no context at all up to this point so my opinions might be a little off:

Mnem- I see a vote on the eventual Day 1 lynch with zero reasoning except that he's scummy. I see he doesn't like a wagon on him. SK already made a point I thought of where he asked for meta with no follow up. Post 470 is bad. Jester comment looked more like an example that wouldn't be in this game than a joke so calling it a joke looks bad. Dante vote is bad. Jumping on dop in 701 is bad. I don't understand any of his votes after that. I also notice no opinion on a lot of players. Allllll of that said... it's about motivations. Is he scum who is trying to mislead town and stay hidden? Or is he a new player who is trying to play the game the right way? I can kind of see the first with his dop vote(s) and lack of many vocal opinions. But I can also see trouble verbalizing reasons for his votes just because of a lack of experience. There's a lot wrong here but I'm not entirely convinced it's scum. This is a tough read but I slightly lean towards town. I just don't see a strong case to be made from this ISO. I also notice he is the leading wagon today and almost certainly won't make it to the end of the game anyway so we'll see what happens with his flip I guess.

Peacebringer:
First five or so posts just come off awkward and he seems to not want to take initiative to jump on anyone. Then he votes SK for having a "negative utility" claim. I don't like it. If you believe the claim, SK is town and doing the right thing letting us know his role might not help us and implying that maybe a vig should take care of him. Lynching him for it is counterproductive unless you think he is lying. If there was a wagon on SK, I want to look at it later. Wow. I really don't like him saying he is voting SK just to see a claim. Ok. After more reading, he seems to be learning to grasp the changes of site meta since being here before and post 67 looks like a legitimate attempt to read a player. He's looking a little better. Post 68 looks town as well. And as I keep reading, specifics aren't important but his logic isn't good. However, it looks more town motivated than scum motivated so I am comfortable calling Peace a town read. I just won't be sheeping him.

Pere-
I don't like the initial focus on Kat's play, but he gives a reads list shortly after so that's fine I guess. Was going to ask if this confirmable role was confirmable as a town role. I see the answer is no. However, the partial claim Day 1 shows an unwillingness to fullclaim that is more likely to come from town who either wants to avoid a NK or wants to draw one on a useless role than scum who wants to put out a good fakeclaim. I also notice from the quotes in this ISO that RadiantCow claimed a guilty on Peace. Did we get specifics on this? Why is Peace not the one at L-1 right now? I'd also like to know how BBMolla knows he is naive (lol at finding non-Pere stuff in his ISO). <-ok, this was answered and is very believable. Who is the beginning of 1036 about, where you say they have a negative utility and called SK scum for having one too? I could sheep this. Overall, I like Pere for town.

I'll do Luna and Shadowy another time. Gotta go for now.

In post 1171, Shadowy Poison wrote:and the fact that it seemed like he was trying to be indifferent to Mitillos.

Have you even a single one of my posts? Because I'm really, doubting it.

In post 1167, Luna Lovegood wrote:How the hell did you get a townread on mnemonic?

Don't remember specifics off-hand, too lazy to re-ISO.

In post 1176, ooba wrote:If there's a Vig, please take care of BBM.

Yeah, vig a claimed cop for Ooba.

In post 1180, BBmolla wrote:

In post 1176, ooba wrote:If there's a Vig, please take care of BBM.

Yeah, vig a claimed cop for Ooba.

A claimed naive cop.......

...With normalizing power roles in the game.

Oh.

...

Like PV claimed normalizer and I'm naive have people not realized this shit?

In post 1178, Kmd4390 wrote:But I can also see trouble verbalizing reasons for his votes just because of a lack of experience.

Sure, this much is decently clear.

In post 1178, Kmd4390 wrote:There's a lot wrong here but I'm not entirely convinced it's scum. This is a tough read but I slightly lean towards town.

But why do you lean towards town? What has he done that makes you think more town than scum?

In post 1184, BBmolla wrote:...

Like PV claimed normalizer and I'm naive have people not realized this shit?

That never happened.

In post 831, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 802, Rail Tracer wrote:hmm

@PV

if you have no information to verify yourself today, in your first post, i want you to declare the first and last letters of each word in your role, as well as how many letters there are in each word.

e.g. if you had dopog's role, you'd put N _ _- _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ e N _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ r

i'll consider refusal to do this a scum claim, since if you are town it shouldn't give scum any additional information, and if you're scum, i want to limit your fake-claims as much as possible.

I think I was N-blocked, so only one person can confrim anything. If no one can confirm it, I was indeed blocked.

As for the rolename? Sure.

N_ _ _ _e N_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _r

...

nvm I miscounted

PV never claimed Normaliser, however mollie/nero did flip town normaliser

so yeah, there may be more normalisers in this game

Ooba put down a fantastic vote.

We need more like it.

Also, Ooba is conftown.

Also, MD is a shitty wagon. He's a bad player and everyone knows it, but that doesn't make him scum.

Get the eff off that wagon.

bb wrote:Ooba if the mod accidentally told you an incorrect result and people lynched you for it, would that not make you upset?

i think you're downplaying the reason people actually think you're scum.

bb wrote:Are we just pretending mafia don't have any power to possibly counter that?

What if they have a framer and a godfather?

gonna put it out there. i think any scum PRs that exist would be abnormal, too, so i highly doubt they have a framer or a godfather. just sayin'. it would be kind of retarded if scum have like normal power roles and town have gimped brain-child-of-someone-with-a-sick-and-twisted-mind roles to counter that... also normaliser likely could have worked on them as well.

peacebringer wrote:since folks appear to want to let PV go buy yet another day....

vote Mitillos

if PV claims blocked again, i'd be cool with at least seriously considering a PV lynch tomorrow. in the mean time, i don't mind that vote either.

RC wrote:MD is a shitty wagon. He's a bad player and everyone knows it, but that doesn't make him scum.

indeed. but usually mnem does stuff that kinda looks townish or i could see coming from a town mindset and i'm not really seeing that this game. do you see town stuff, or are you just saying he's bad so maybe he's not scum?

also you're not really doing anything with your BB vote. maybe you should talk about why you think BB is scum instead of whining about the mnem wagon if you want the BB lynch to happen.

In post 1192, Rail Tracer wrote:i think you're downplaying the reason people actually think you're scum.

If someone called you a Nazi because you have blond hair, would you take them seriously

The accusations are summed up to "You got upset when people were voting you for a mod error! I think you got MORE upset than you would have as town."

There's no response to that. Like, normally I have meta to back myself up when people say stupid shit, but I haven't exactly dealt with a shit ton of mod errors.

I've been completely honest, there isn't much else I can do. If I wanted it to "make more sense" or whatever I'd have done so as scum. But I'm not scum, so I'm just giving the blatant truth. There isn't much else I can do.

no, that's not really what people are saying about you (maybe that's why ooba thinks you're scum, but nobody else seems to be pushing that).

In post 1191, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, MD is a shitty wagon. He's a bad player and everyone knows it, but that doesn't make him scum.

Get the eff off that wagon.

In post 1193, Rail Tracer wrote:

RC wrote:MD is a shitty wagon. He's a bad player and everyone knows it, but that doesn't make him scum.

indeed. but usually mnem does stuff that kinda looks townish or i could see coming from a town mindset and i'm not really seeing that this game. do you see town stuff, or are you just saying he's bad so maybe he's not scum?

also you're not really doing anything with your BB vote. maybe you should talk about why you think BB is scum instead of whining about the mnem wagon if you want the BB lynch to happen.

1. I don't know what kind of player MD is nor do I care.
2. He can claim and we can re-evaluate from there.
3. Still liking my vote at the moment.

deadline is fast approaching... nothing from mneumonic... I think there Is like 3 hours left till deadline...