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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:36 am
by Shadow_step
In post 1163, Shadow_step wrote:1152
is a holy fucking misrep. I was scum reading Cerb because he wanted to pair with the IC, how the hell can you say that I already scum read him? BS
also please explain how scum! Me gains any town points by poking Cerb?
Kagami answer this and stop misrepping me. I said he had a point. I didn't agree with the whole bloody thing.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:38 am
by Kagami
Which part did you agree with?
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:39 am
by Gamma Emerald
Oh my gosh I think I found UnfoundedRevenge
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:39 am
by Vedith
In post 1158, Human Sequencer wrote:Shadow step, you know first hand what kind of damage that attitude can have to town.
SAD has a very valid point. Conciseness is a virtue, and a bogged thread with pages and pages of useless posts is a massive demotivating factor to any budding townie looking for scum.
Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.
@jester
I'm not angry at you, you're angry at me.
Terrible post.
What others consider useless post is what I work with. Just because he doesn't want to read the game doesn't mean that everyone should limit their posting. Scum will hide in a lot of posting as much as hiding in a quiet town. The only difference with what SAD wants is that less information comes out of it.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:40 am
by Kagami
What's your experience with shadow, vedith?
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:40 am
by Shadow_step
The setup spec bit. Cause I was thinking along the same lines.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:41 am
by Nahdia
Ok are you ready for this? Are you guys ready? Wait for it, wait for it...
mhsmith0 & inspectorscout
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:41 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1135, Shadow_step wrote:And what's your water tight case on me again Gamma?
Only thing in your iso is
In post 245, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 241, Parama wrote:is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow
i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages
I saw it
He doesn't make it past pre-dance, anyone who accepts his invitation is scum with him.
Which is equivalent to this fake over reaction.
In post 850, Gamma Emerald wrote:OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.
My main thing I'm sring Shadow for is the fact he jumped on Cerb saying "Cerb is scummy for what Jester said!" and then went "How will it feel to be eliminated in the intermission, Cerb" which contradicts his earlier statement on Cerb's alignment.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:43 am
by pieguyn
HS is town, I actually have a slight scum read on Parama and would like if people could reiterate why they think they're town.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:46 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1152, Kagami wrote:Maybe just lynching shadow is correct, regardless.
Parama is not wrong that it's very strange to say "Why are you doing something that will just get you NKed?" to someone you're scumreading.
The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.
I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.
tl;dr: down for lynching either of those pairs, somewhat prefer jester. Ended up with much more text than I'd like.
Yeah, I can understand where a town might say something like that, but the inconsistency combined with the copycatting is what makes me think it's scum formed logic.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:46 am
by Shadow_step
In post 1182, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 1135, Shadow_step wrote:And what's your water tight case on me again Gamma?
Only thing in your iso is
In post 245, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 241, Parama wrote:is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow
i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages
I saw it
He doesn't make it past pre-dance, anyone who accepts his invitation is scum with him.
Which is equivalent to this fake over reaction.
In post 850, Gamma Emerald wrote:OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.
My main thing I'm sring Shadow for is the fact he jumped on Cerb saying "Cerb is scummy for what Jester said!" and then went "How will it feel to be eliminated in the intermission, Cerb" which contradicts his earlier statement on Cerb's alignment.
????
I asked him why would he as town want to get eliminated.
I never said Cerb is scummy for what Jester said.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:48 am
by Shadow_step
Someone please give more solid reasons to Gamma to SR me. He's struggling.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:50 am
by Vedith
A few games where we have been mixed aligns and same.
He's modded me a couple of times and he generally doesn't like me or my play style. He thinks I'm a shit player :<
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:50 am
by Gamma Emerald
Now that I'm looking at this point from a town perspective, I think I can articulate better what is wrong with it.
Scum may know everyone's alignment, but they need to know what the popular opinion is and what not, so they still need to read. What you can do is see who says "I don't wanna read" and yet demonstrates an understanding of in-game events. This likely means they are getting told what is going on in daychat.
I know not all games have daychat, but specifically for this setup, I feel that point is relevant.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:52 am
by Shadow_step
Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:52 am
by Human Sequencer
In post 1178, Vedith wrote: In post 1158, Human Sequencer wrote:Shadow step, you know first hand what kind of damage that attitude can have to town.
SAD has a very valid point. Conciseness is a virtue, and a bogged thread with pages and pages of useless posts is a massive demotivating factor to any budding townie looking for scum.
Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.
@jester
I'm not angry at you, you're angry at me.
Terrible post.
What others consider useless post is what I work with. Just because he doesn't want to read the game doesn't mean that everyone should limit their posting. Scum will hide in a lot of posting as much as hiding in a quiet town. The only difference with what SAD wants is that less information comes out of it.
There's a balance between raving lunatics and a group of lurkers.
'More information' is great, people literally replacing out because we posted 40 pages in 24 hours is not.
@pieguyn
I see a lot of consistent scumhunting, consistent townhunting and a desire to stay alive through intermission as towny.
I find it incredibly unlikely scum would push the 'shadow scumslip' as hard and for as long as she did.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:54 am
by Vedith
In post 1189, Shadow_step wrote:Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.
Given you have creditable reads as town, I thinkyou can be followed when proven, unless it's on Gamma I'm really not against there.
Also I am Trans look at my avi
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:54 am
by Kagami
In post 146, The_Jester wrote: In post 74, Cerberus v666 wrote:... Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?
Found the first scum. First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way. That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook. ...
So what happened here is that you agreed with only the setup spec thing, but not strongly enough to call it a scumread, and then asked cerb about the IC thing.
Was your 212 prompted by Jester's statement about it?
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:55 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1189, Shadow_step wrote:Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.
Okay then, who's scum?
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:55 am
by pieguyn
In post 1152, Kagami wrote:The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.
OK I think I must be missing something because I still am not sure what exactly he missed in
212. I think 212 was intentionally worded in a way that assumed Cv666 was town, and the point was to say something along the lines of "if you're town this doesn't make sense". what am I missing here?
I also was gonna ask you about the Vedith scum read but it seems you've came around on it.
vote: The_Jester/MDS
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:58 am
by Human Sequencer
Pieguyn, sell me on that wagon.
My scumread of jester is weakening and I have nothing on mds.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:59 am
by Human Sequencer
Also I think shadow is better because it gives town a whole bunch of info post-flip.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:00 am
by Kagami
I'm not sure it does, actually. Especially if he's town.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:01 am
by pieguyn
HS I see your posts and I'll respond when I'm back home, I'm out the door in a few mins.
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:02 am
by Vedith
I'm not lynching Jester, he's town and Mini is nullish.
