Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[skitter30]

ok i'll drop the newbcard thing because it seems to be annoying you

[Zenith]

Acting weird as in like posts: 1130, 1144, 1146.
And I'd guess it means you are difficult for people to read?

ok i thought you were going somewhere else with being weird
why is being weird scummy in this context ?

Timing.

Also, if anyone is has been playing any kind of experience card, it's you. It's miss look at my banner look at my sig.

[skitter30]

that isn't a particularly helpful answer wrt weirdness

and fair enough wrt the experience card ... you didn't make the argument i thought you were going to so i'll drop it for now

anyways if you think i'm the last scum could you say why?

[Zenith]

I can see where this is probably going. You're probably going to vote for me, in which case I'm going to vote for you, and then either scum january hammers one of us, or town january is up against the scary bogeyman that is scum skitter and gets to decide who wins. Sound about right?

[skitter30]

Anything in particular you want me to hit? Im assuming youre town (you can even call it buddying if you want) since I didnt hammered, so mostly going to be focusing on tictac/z/January interactions.

so the very weird thing about this post is:

tictac and january were voting teacher
i'd posted since he was put at l-2 and i hadn't hammered
zenith had posted since he was put at l-2 and didn't hammer

teacher has conftowned me (and is doing the buddying thing etc)

but completely ignored the fact that from his pov that zenith ought to be conftown too

i suppose it's possible that teacher didn't realize that zenith had posted but ya this is v weird

[skitter30]

I can see where this is probably going. You're probably going to vote for me, in which case I'm going to vote for you, and then either scum january hammers one of us, or town january is up against the scary bogeyman that is scum skitter and gets to decide who wins. Sound about right?

still working out where i'm voting but i'm leaning towards you so from your pov atm this is fairly accurate, sure

[skitter30]

let's do this
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Like I'm fairly zen is town. I see a lot of what he's doing which is perceived as scummy as what I did early on as town in the newbie queue back in the days.

i wish i had meta on how ddl treats partners
through this point there are several instances of ddl strongly tr'ing zenith, stronger than the situation seems to warrant

[Zenith]

Tbh you rubbed my gut weird yesterday, but with january post 1164 rubs me the wrong way when combined with 1128 and 1129.

Did you also get the impression that she mistakenly thought she had hammered at the time, or am I just trippin?

[skitter30]

it's actually almost wk'ing reading it again
and i can actually see him doing this to town!zenith as well

[skitter30]

i'm not sure i see that

[skitter30]

661 is to jamelia, jan.

@zen
because scum with lots of pressue applied behaves irrationally.

I'm posting from a different location? Frankly I find your distrust a little insulting.

yes but I'm not going to fake rl reasons just to be townread shithead.

also why are you voting your townread

hmmm also anti-associative

ok picking up here later ^

[Zenith]

Ok, let's see if I can explore and put into words what my gut is telling me.

It feels like from pretty early on and throughout the game you've been consistently throwing shade my way but not really trying to get me lynched too early. It feels like you have been setting me up as lynchbait for scum win. I don't care what I look like, sometimes I flat out ignore direct questions, or answer them in a subtle way, because why not? Wouldn't be surprised at all if this makes me come off as scummy at times, or an easy target. Which is why I think it would make sense for scum to cast shade my way while keeping me around to the end. And so here I am in lylo despite my lackluster play. Who has been casting shade on the easy target?

[Zenith]

Throughout the game, did you think the ddl slot is scum? Why/why not? Why weren't you on the wagon?

[Zenith]

Also just curious, but if you don't mind answering a meta question, do you think your clout often results in town skitter being NKed?

[Zenith]

ok i'll drop the newbcard thing because it seems to be annoying you

It's not annoying me. If you have a point to make then feel free to make it.

and fair enough wrt the experience card ... you didn't make the argument i thought you were going to so i'll drop it for now

What argument did you think I was going to make? From my perspective it looks like you want to drop it because your main excuse for simultaneously casting shade my way while also giving me an endgame pass just fell apart. Perhaps you need some time to alter the narrative?

[skitter30]

Throughout the game, did you think the ddl slot is scum? Why/why not? Why weren't you on the wagon?

- thought fancypants was scum
- leaned scum on ddl (in particular for looking remarkably different from town!him that i'd played with concurrently in a game that has since ended)
- day1 i was focused on you/george bailey and i felt like ddl was a later day sort
- day2 i was focused on vork
- day3 i was wanted to figure out the solve and i had largely come around to ddl/teacher; wanted teacher to say his piece before he got hammered and wanted to do my best to find the partner; i was winding towards voting teacher but i wasn't quite ready yet and then the game ended

[skitter30]

Also just curious, but if you don't mind answering a meta question, do you think your clout often results in town skitter being NKed?

in general or in this game in particular?

in general - sometimes, depends on prs and how off my reads are, but i often am

in this game - not after the masons claimed and how day3 went down

[skitter30]

What argument did you think I was going to make? From my perspective it looks like you want to drop it because your main excuse for simultaneously casting shade my way while also giving me an endgame pass just fell apart. Perhaps you need some time to alter the narrative?

i mean this is an entirely inaccurate and uncharitable way of framing what i said, but ok

[skitter30]

i thought you were going with the 'shitty associatives so must have done a horrific job bussing' argument, which is vaguely insulting but apparently you aren't commiting to that

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 4.01

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Lynching

With 3 votes in play, it takes 2 to lynch.

Everybody

(0): Nobody

Not Voting

(3): january, skitter30, Zenith

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-21 08:50:00).

Mod notes:

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[january]

@Zenith I'm talking about this unvote

UNVOTE:
Because replacement is here.

I'm not sure if you're just misunderstanding what I said, but this was before I showed any intent to hammer. you unvoted DDL/teacher and I'm asking why?

[january]

i'm leaning towards zenith rn for the following reasons:
- the first ~6 pages of the game were p awful
- i feel like he's been relying on the newbie card to skate by for much of the game but many of his (esp. early posts) belie that he has a deeper understanding of the game
- the vote/unvote with ddl yesterday was weird af
- overall don't have a reason to tr him rn, but i do think january has been kinda townie

I guess we lose then. Oh well, maybe next time.

does this mean you scumread me?

[january]

Tbh you rubbed my gut weird yesterday, but with january post 1164 rubs me the wrong way when combined with 1128 and 1129.

Did you also get the impression that she mistakenly thought she had hammered at the time, or am I just trippin?

? what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ???

i think you can't read or something but i was asking you, in 1164, why you unvoted in 1120

given that i'm ASKING you about why you unvoted, i think it's clear that i aware that you unvoted. i thought my question was pretty straightforward so i'm confused why/how you're misunderstanding it lol. does my clarification help you understand now?

[january]

ok i'm gonna try one last time to clarify what i'm asking in 1 post
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before this unvote:

UNVOTE:
Because replacement is here.

DDL/teacher was at L-1. Zenith was the 2nd vote so he's the one who put it in L-1, meaning that he thinks ddl

HAS TO BE mafia

, otherwise he wouldn't risk the vote in lylo.

but when teacher replaces DDL, he unvotes because of the replacement. if he's so sure that ddl was mafia, then why does he unvote there?

i think this is as clear as i can make it, and if it still doesn't make sense then idk

[Zenith]

@Zenith I'm talking about this unvote

UNVOTE:
Because replacement is here.

I'm not sure if you're just misunderstanding what I said, but this was before I showed any intent to hammer. you unvoted DDL/teacher and I'm asking why?

Uhh.. I think you answered your own question by quoting me. I unvoted because the replacement had arrived, and I wanted to give teacher a chance to speak without being prematurely hammered.

i'm leaning towards zenith rn for the following reasons:
- the first ~6 pages of the game were p awful
- i feel like he's been relying on the newbie card to skate by for much of the game but many of his (esp. early posts) belie that he has a deeper understanding of the game
- the vote/unvote with ddl yesterday was weird af
- overall don't have a reason to tr him rn, but i do think january has been kinda townie

I guess we lose then. Oh well, maybe next time.

does this mean you scumread me?

No, it means I'm town and see myself getting voted by skitter and possibly lynched. I doubt it would be difficult for scum skitter to lynch me, and I think with my being an easy lynch target it makes sense that scum would want me in the endgame.
Iso skitter and ctrl + f me.

Tbh you rubbed my gut weird yesterday, but with january post 1164 rubs me the wrong way when combined with 1128 and 1129.

Did you also get the impression that she mistakenly thought she had hammered at the time, or am I just trippin?

? what? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ???

i think you can't read or something but i was asking you, in 1164, why you unvoted in 1120

given that i'm ASKING you about why you unvoted, i think it's clear that i aware that you unvoted. i thought my question was pretty straightforward so i'm confused why/how you're misunderstanding it lol. does my clarification help you understand now?

At the time, I thought you had intended to hammer. It looked like a goodbye, ya dead now kind of message. Guess I was mistaken.