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What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

UNVOTE: trollie

mala, why haven't you addressed my reads and weighed in on the situation.

I'm just in a meeting. I will address other comments shortly. Both bob and iDany have not formulated a defence except 'You're scum' and I want that noted.

In post 1163, geraintm wrote:

In post 1160, Drew-Sta wrote:

In post 1155, geraintm wrote:oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.

Why.

becase you go from a post that has you almost voting for trollie, to the next going back andvoting for idany. just...if you almost agree with my scum read and then switch to voting for the person I think is most town, that just looks bad.

I disagree. I've been open that I believe Dany and either Trollie or bob are scum. Which of the three I am not sure. But they read that way to me.

It's also interesting to note no-one hammers Trollie.

Agreeing with your scum read should not matter, BTW. I am not here to buddy you. I am not here to sheep with you. I am here to work it out myself and I'll stick to my guns on that. I want town to win and won't have anyone make my decision for me. Frankly, the fat we agree on trollie is good. The fact we agree on iDany is good. We now need the remainder of town to come online and actually contribute so we can vote accordingly.

In post 1168, TheTrollie wrote:Gera take your vote off me now - You can still want to lynch me, fine. But Don't leave me at L-1 before hearing anyhting from me on a critical day - that was not a good call.

I think Mala is scum - re-read the mavs/mala-slot interactions and I certainly cannot rule out the possibility that it was bussing. In fact, I can read it as bussing very easily. Mavs was very wishy washy on those interactions - he wanted to be involved in the discourse but he never really committed much. Plus, I hate overthinking this interaction when I have a good read there

VOTE: mala

The third I am struggling with.

Bambi don't forget you promised me we could talk about ur neighbor claim yesterday!

Tell me why mala is scum. Show me the posts where they bus mavs. Don't ask me to do the work. YOU do the work. Show me. Form an argument.

I also find it curious that an eight to ten hour period went past and no-one hammered.

Not like anyone here would hammer. That's kinda suicidal even if you are scum Trollie. Though the fact you didn't self hammer to stop the day has gotta mean something though? That your either town or you know you can get outta this?

In post 1176, Drew-Sta wrote:What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

wagons not getting lopped off isn't an indicator of scum/town. we have seen already in this game that some people are very hard to lynch

In post 1181, Bambi Jay wrote:Not like anyone here would hammer. That's kinda suicidal even if you are scum Trollie. Though the fact you didn't self hammer to stop the day has gotta mean something though? That your either town or you know you can get outta this?

who is this aimed at, trollie?

I don't think scum self hammers at this stage, they are down to only 2 and won't want to go down to just one, they'd rather take their chances on trying to get ou tof it

Bambi so far today who do you think are the remaining scum?

In post 1182, geraintm wrote:

In post 1176, Drew-Sta wrote:What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

wagons not getting lopped off isn't an indicator of scum/town. we have seen already in this game that some people are very hard to lynch

Titus was. EJ too.

Go back and have a look at the interaction between Dany and Bob. Tell me what you think of it.

Even Mavs was slammed quickly.

hi - If i were you i'd ask the same question about no hammer but there's a difference when there are only 2 scum left (and possibly both already on me) and also I slammed mavs because he had already claimed and the claim was utter bullshit. The only thing that would have stopped me from hammering was if I had realized you had asked me not to. Also mavs wasn't slammed quickly I feel like? idk

Anyway neither here nor there.

I keep going back to the origin of the wagon on me which was this madness that started once mavs was REALLY feeling pressure yesterday. From my memory (and ill check unless someone else does), the events are that (a) iDanny pushes me to join the mavs wagon (b) I join the mavs wagon (c) Mala starts to sow a trollie-scum theory (d) iDanny hops on the theory (e) Gerain joins the bunch (though i think it was gerain who has maintained some scum-read on me for a while now)

It seems to me that at least one of Mala/iDanny/Gerain is scum. That was too good of an opportunity to sidetrack a scum-wagon with real momentum. And it was working for a while. If scum DIDN'T get behind my push at that point it would have been a missed opportunity.

What I also really don't love is that...then we lynch mavs, he flips scum, and somehow I'm still the vote today even though I was the COUNTER-wagon to mavs yesterday. It just doesnt add up.

so i guess that's all i am getting from you bambi? or r u gonna tell us what those reads were and why you know allo had the same reads?

In post 1185, Drew-Sta wrote:

In post 1182, geraintm wrote:

In post 1176, Drew-Sta wrote:What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

wagons not getting lopped off isn't an indicator of scum/town. we have seen already in this game that some people are very hard to lynch

Titus was. EJ too.

Go back and have a look at the interaction between Dany and Bob. Tell me what you think of it.

You still havent answered why you think scum dannyi hammers titus day 2.

All you said is that titus was town. Ignoring the simple fact that he didnt have too.


All you doing is shading who ever scum reads you. As soon as you got two votes you hopped onto trollie and only when no one would hammer did you unvote

In post 1187, TheTrollie wrote: I keep going back to the origin of the wagon on me which was this madness that started once mavs was REALLY feeling pressure yesterday. From my memory (and ill check unless someone else does), the events are that (a) iDanny pushes me to join the mavs wagon (b) I join the mavs wagon (c) Mala starts to sow a trollie-scum theory (d) iDanny hops on the theory (e) Gerain joins the bunch (though i think it was gerain who has maintained some scum-read on me for a while now)

It seems to me that at least one of Mala/iDanny/Gerain is scum. That was too good of an opportunity to sidetrack a scum-wagon with real momentum. And it was working for a while. If scum DIDN'T get behind my push at that point it would have been a missed opportunity.

What I also really don't love is that...then we lynch mavs, he flips scum, and somehow I'm still the vote today even though I was the COUNTER-wagon to mavs yesterday. It just doesnt add up.

Do you deny that your progression is not clear and you were flip flopping hard, I don't think it's off base to say you did these things and I called those out. There was no wagon on you, Mala called you scummy and you only had one vote from Gerain. So this idea that you were a counter wagon is not how it happened. The counter wagons were bob/bambi before Mavs and then you tried to create a counterwagon on Mala not me. You scum lists from this theory is the same as the scum list you had from before, so I think your just finding what is fitting who you think is scum.

I probably won't vote outside of [bambi,Drew] today.

I wont vote for bambi or drew today so we wont be on the same wagon lol.

I do deny the progression was unclear. I said I don't see it, I asked for a case. You said, in essence, "fuck that - just re-read the game with the idea that mavs may be scum and you will see my point." I then did re-read, realized your point that mavs was easily scum, and voted there.

I don't think it was confirmation bias since I literally only started including you on the possible-scum train AFTER you hopped on the opportunity to wagon me against mavs. OMGUS, maybe - but def not confirmation bias.

I can see how what happened could be construed as flip flopping but it wasnt. I say "i've townread mavs from d1, can you help me understand the scum-mavs case?" you say "reread the game" and then i do and vote. If you had made a case instead of saying "reread the game" do you think that you would feel like what I did was flip flopping?

Oh - i just re-looked and i guess gera is the only one who voted me. you and mala just said I could be scum. I admit that I'm less convinced now.

ok - at the risk of being called a flip-flopper again -- what is the scum-drew case? I had such a townread on CSF that I haven't really even considered the possibility of drew being scum but I'll entertain it. why is your vote there?

In post 1188, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1185, Drew-Sta wrote:

In post 1182, geraintm wrote:

In post 1176, Drew-Sta wrote:What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

wagons not getting lopped off isn't an indicator of scum/town. we have seen already in this game that some people are very hard to lynch

Titus was. EJ too.

Go back and have a look at the interaction between Dany and Bob. Tell me what you think of it.

You still havent answered why you think scum dannyi hammers titus day 2.

All you said is that titus was town. Ignoring the simple fact that he didnt have too.

1. As scum, he wants to lynch town.
2. He asked Bambi for a read in 802, who then read Titus as town. He then reads Allo as scum (effectively) for their behaviour and their vote on Titus, then voted for Titus with virtually the same reasons he just claimed were Allo's and scum based (810, 811) which is completely inconsistent and makes no sense.
3. His vote was simply 'may as well get this over with' which was ridiculous given there was plenty more time to disucss the vote and clear indications Titus was town.
4. He has never read Titus as scum, never built a case on Titus (which was identified by Bambi in 815, yet NO-ONE revisits this in D3 at all. It's like... it just happened and people never thought to question it.

No-one needs to hammer. But hammering and making a lynch happen is a significant action of intent. How he did it was so blase and without reason that I wonder WTF it was all about.

The fact he has now OMGUS'd me I've pulled a case together on him is clear he is under pressure and trying to mislynch me. The fact he HASN'T lynched Trollie at L-1 despite scum reading him at 290, then flip flopping and reading him town at 349, then flip flopping again and reading him scum at 936, 976, 1005. So why didn't he hammer someone when he had a choice?

He then backed away from his read it appears and simply quoted a Bambi, Bob, Trollie scum team (two of which had not posted much in Bob and Bambi at that point - 1074), then flipped to Mala, Bambi, me (VOTE: 1121) and the consistency in all that is he picks people who aren't very active (bob, mala, bambi at various times) and someone else (trollie and me).

His reads are baseless, and they have no merit to them. It is very, very clear.

In post 1188, bob3141 wrote:All you doing is shading who ever scum reads you. As soon as you got two votes you hopped onto trollie and only when no one would hammer did you unvote

I was proving a point that scum is aware that hammering now is under scrutiny and aware that people are watching the hammer. They won't hammer to prevent attention being drawn.

I'm going to again vote, and it will be VOTE: iDany because I believe he is mafia and there is not much left I can do to prove that except vote and persist in the vote.

The silence is deafening, though.

Sorry just been in pain for the last three days. I’ll try to post something of value in a little bit

Ditto but for the past week. Sigh.

Frankly though, with us all going numb to the game, that's a sign for something I think?

alright whatever - we're not getting anywhere.

I find myself in the unfortunate situation of having to just wait for bambi to say anything of content whatsoever and I'll sheep that. I am p sure she is town. useless, but town.

UNVOTE: until then

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