Mini Normal 2141: The World of Tomorrow [Game over!]

[Dunnstral]

In this thread: people saying my hammer was bad, but when quick was saying to hammer the guy yesterday they didn't comment on that at all

That guy was a night 4 vigilante. Kind of a weird role for a mini normal It is heavily implied that there is another vigilante, because town killing into an even number of players in the day is bad (especially on night 4, where it brings the number from 5 people alive to 4 people alive, assuming no other kills or protects).

man, i was hoping after that atrocious hammer and missing the last few pages that i'd be nightkilled out of this game

i do want to get votato again, came into this thread two days ago to put my vote back there only to find the thread locked

any questions anyone had from yesterday that i missed, let me know and i'll answer

Thoughts:

1. Upon analysis, Gamma can talk more. Need to resolve this slot.

2. There is a lot of speculation about scum being on the NPOM wagon - which is fair, because more than half the game was on that wagon. Unless you think ALL the scum were on that wagon, however, we should probably be looking just as hard at the people who were off of it:

All seven voters from the NPOM wagon are alive today, only four of the people who were off of that wagon are alive today.

I like my odds better hunting in the group of four than the group of seven today. I do not believe it is likely that the entire scum team jumped on the Day 1 mislynch together.

That leaves at least one scum in here:

Gammagooey
VP Baltar
CantLynchAPuppy
iDanyboy

Out of that group, we can hunt for people who seemed to avoid the wagon in anticipation of a town flip. My best guesses there are Gamma and Puppy.

Gamma seemed to be reaching really hard to find a defense of NPOM where there wasn't one in their back and forth with me shortly before the lynch (not saying there was no good defense of NPOM, but the one Gamma chose fell apart upon inspection - even NPOM didn't go along with it). Gamma had very few posts during Day 1, and this awkward conversation made up about 30% of them.

Puppy swooped in to support a counterwagon with a pretty flimsy post shortly before the lynch as well.

Of those two, Gamma seems more likely to flip scum to me.

VOTE: Gammagooey

"Ok, nobody respond to anything Blair says and mysteriously oppose a Gamma wagon without explanation." - A voice everybody but me can hear, apparently

Gun to my head, if I had to solve right now it would be:

Gamma

+

Puppy

/Midway +

Mavs

/Atarashi/Quick

Bolds being my best guesses, sorted left to right by confidence both within each slot and overall.

The Mav read is my highest confidence for a third scum, but still isn't very high at all - and that's if there even are three scum.

The lurkers are basically just me accounting for the unknowable. We need more content from those slots to sort them.

I like most of this.

VOTE: Gammagooey

I voted Gamma before you made post 1000, which is where your supposed soft is, right?

Come on

[Blair]

For someone who usually lives up to his name, Quick is taking a longer than usual amount of time to respond to a direct question here.

Maybe I finally stumped him.

[Blair]

Dunn, I will come back to that after Gamma's claim.

The reason why will become clear.

[Dunnstral]

Assuming Gamma is scum I'd guess Votato for partner. They've tried to get 3 other wagons off the ground (r2r, midway, blair), and he also threw some shade at me pre-gamma vote just based off of my hammer. Post 1166 is scummy

[Dunnstral]

like why is she acknowledging r2r is prob scum and then pivoting to a Gamma case...huh?

There are really only two explanations:

1. Gamma is town; Blair is scum with Ready2Rock

2. Blair feels more confident in her Gamma read.

Occam's Razor might be prudent here.

R2R is a better push since it appears Gamma is the better player.

If you thought Blair was claiming cop, why were you making posts like this?

[Dunnstral]

Blair as Town I would push myself or R2R and possibly Dunn, but not much on Gamma who really hasn't misstepped much at all so far.

And this. It doesn't really add up

[Dunnstral]

Which part do you disagree with?

And what agenda do you believe I have?

(Hint: My agenda is to lynch Gamma)

Post 1000 btw and I totally guessed there.

So this looks like a lie or you've been acting in bad faith

[Blair]

After we sort Gamma we get to debate whether Quick was lying as town or lying as scum. Yay.

[Dunnstral]

Slight suspicion on Mavs if Gamma is scum - R2R looks like what scum really want to go through as a lynch

[Dunnstral]

I'd scumread Votato even if Gamma is town, actually

[Gammagooey]

I'm a night 3 vig. Frankly I think you're lying about being a PR at all given that NPOM already flipped vig and anything that would have given you an effective guilty on me would have applied to him too (and as someone said earlier having only a night 4 vig as town killing power doesn't really make sense for setup balance) but I'll save my vote until after you claim what your result on me is.

[Dunnstral]

anything that would have given you an effective guilty on me would have applied to him too

What does that mean? There's only been 1 night phase

[midwaybear]

oohhh spicy

[Gammagooey]

anything that would have given you an effective guilty on me would have applied to him too

What does that mean? There's only been 1 night phase

there only being 1 night phase has nothing to do with it

I'm effectively VT except for night 3 and there's only one role I can think of that would give a 'guilty' on me and it would have already had one potential false guilty in the setup already that Blair would be aware of

[Blair]

I am a Traffic Analyst. I investigated Gamma Night 1 and discovered he can talk outside of the game thread.

I breadcrumbed my result in my very first post this phase:

1. Upon analysis, Gamma can talk more. Need to resolve this slot.

Gamma is claiming vigilante because it is a safe guess after NPOM's flip, and because I dropped a red herring for gunsmith here:

Gun to my head

, if I had to solve right now it would be:

Gamma

+

Puppy

/Midway +

Mavs

/Atarashi/Quick

Gamma fell for my red herring. Lynch this.

[midwaybear]

ugh, so if both of you are truthful, this was basically for nothing

pedit: ok I believe blair
VOTE: Gamma

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: Blair

I'm expecting to get lynched here but if any of you let Blair get away with some magical fairy tale bullshit tomorrow about how her result was wrong or she was gambiting and just SO SURE I was scum then I will haunt you for all godamn eternity

[Blair]

You had a chance there to claim you were neighborized or something.

You didn't. Nobody let him get away with adding tacking something like that on later.

[CantHateAPuppy]

everybody calm down tbh

wanted to give myself the day off but i got killed in another game so i have time now

[midwaybear]

don't worry. If you are town, blair is dead tmrw
there are no redirecting roles in normal games

[CantHateAPuppy]

Oh, didn't mean to quote Puppy in that post, but I did want to point out how awful that post was. Is anybody buying that first line?

don't really want to argue forever about this but

blair, u've been scumreading me all day/game, mostly never explaining why but just pointing at different posts and saying "scum, see!" (maybe when i read ahead u'll have tried something differently?) it's not working for you, if you really want to convince people i'm scum u should actually make a case or something, though i'd rather u ust drop this whole line of thought because you're barking up the wrong tree (:P)

i do agree w/ u that lynching in the 4 slots off yesterday's wagon is better than lynching on the 7 who were on. not sure that u've picked right though

[Blair]

This would be a terrible, right-out-the-gate-since-my-first-post-of-the-phase gambit if I were lying. Trading 1:1 is a bad deal for scum.

So I'm sure Quick will show up soon and say that's what I'm doing.

[CantHateAPuppy]

Gammagooey
VP Baltar
CantLynchAPuppy
iDanyboy

just out of this 4 just on pure prejudice from D1 without reading D2 i would lynch:

dany/midway > Gammagooey > VP > puppy (obv)

[Gammagooey]

You had a chance there to claim you were neighborized or something.

You didn't. Nobody let him get away with adding tacking something like that on later.

Yeah because I wasn't neighborized? You're just lying about having a guilty on me to get a PR lynched, maybe you're a mafia gunsmith or something and thought that I was a n2 vig and was worried I'd shoot you tonight or maybe you just got rolecop info from a scumbuddy but it doesn't really matter

The sensible thing to do is just lynch me and lynch you tomorrow, I'm not going to self-vote or anything in case people believe me here and we can lynch scum instead but like I doubt even I'd be confident enough to lynch a PR claim with a result over the guilty if I were in everyone else's position.

[midwaybear]

my slot posted once though