Newbie 2045: A Midwinter Night's Dream - End!

[safebet222]

At this point, GTMH I want to kill between mikul and lunar and pray I'm right.

[petapan]

Peta this is a very stupid question but answer it anyways

Is your #1130 within your range as scum? Like, would you go to such an extraneous effort to explain yourself. I'm pretty sure I've asked close to the same question, but these are actually more helpful than they seem

i don't think i've ever been pressed far enough to write something like that. while i would like to imagine i am cool and competent at all times that degree of stream of consciousness writing would be hard. while not a direct answer per se, therre are certain things i do as town that i just never bother emulating as scum, at least right now. i don't bother with spontaneous thoughts annd actions because as scum i know my goal and the best wawy to work toward it is playing methodically, where as town i'm unsure and end up wildly flailing about for an answer. so a full-on thought dump of a post is probably just one i wouldn't think to make, ordinarily.

[fferyllt]

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Have you ever worked on a technical or research problem all day, gone to sleep, and awakened with an answer or a fresh perspective? Problem solving dreams usually involve that kind of circumstance, where the dreamer has spent a lot of waking time thinking about the problem. When this has happened to me, the solution usually looked simple in retrospect, but involved approaching the situation from a very different point of view. In studies, students who are preparing for a test tend to have a better grasp of the material after sleeping. Those who dream about the subject they’ve been studying have even better recognition.

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(5): unwnd, safebet222, Lunar Martian, Mikul, petapan

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to eliminate.

Deadline: January 12, Noon US Eastern Time.

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[unwnd]

Surprisingly, this is probably the hardest game I've played since I've came back

A newbie game of all things lol

[unwnd]

Lunar, why is does it seem like you keep changing your stances so quickly. Yes, there is a means of consistency in something like your quiet read (I checked), but you called me town pretty adamantly all of D1 and didn't really correct yourself D2. Now you think it could be me and..Safebet? I just don't know why you're being so reactionary. In that same sense, I'm not sure where you get your confidence from. I've noticed just in general that you are very how do I put this

You say things like they are this way and then don't really change your mind. And if you do change your mind, I feel like there's not much thought progression to latch onto. You had some instances D1 when prompted but. I'm honestly paranoid at this point.

[unwnd]

++ to you Safebet going on your lunar thought alone, being that you're very consistent in your doubts (not a full read). I think scum can be consistent too mind you but yeah

I think if Lunar is scum, he has a partner who is playing well. That's sorta what is making this difficult for me

[Lunar Martian]

My mind is running in circles and although I was pretty confident that I was on the right track before today, I was clearly wrong so I'm rethinking everything. Maybe I'm just overthinking. It would certainly make me feel better if peta were Mafia because that's the person I was least confident in before today, but that's not a good reason to think someone is Mafia. Sorry if I'm bad at expressing my thinking in the thread. I'm overthinking everything and I'm not that confident in anything. Every time I read up on the thread I start thinking that I'm wrong and start over.

[unwnd]

That's um

A strange response,you were calling me/safebet not even a page back. Is that just fake confidence?

[Mikul]

@peta

I said it's possible just unlikely. The intercations between you two don't seem scum theatre but seem like they are reactionary. So doesn't read as planned. It's possible it's town town but that would mean it's safe / lunar.

Which I just can't fathom. It's more likely

safe / one of you

In some weird world lunar / one of you.

[Lunar Martian]

I guess? I wasn't really feeling that confident, that's just where I was at the time. I just feel lost and paranoid and I don't even know anymore.

[unwnd]

have you felt this way since D1, and if so

Why have you been keeping up this appearance of sure-fire reads?

[Mikul]

@lunar that post says a lot (for me at least)

I always prefer to poe hunt and you can do that with wagons assuming scum isn't willing to outright lynch each other or push hard.

[Mikul]

@uwnd

Entertain me.

If lunar is scum, who is with him (not me)

[Lunar Martian]

No this is mostly a today thing. I was pretty confident before. Day 1 I wound up being right and that really boosted my confidence going into Day 2. But then I was wrong and I don't really know where to go. But I do think that people tend to respond well to projected confidence.

[Lunar Martian]

@lunar that post says a lot (for me at least)

I always prefer to poe hunt and you can do that with wagons assuming scum isn't willing to outright lynch each other or push hard.

What do you mean?

[Mikul]

You were saying that post is a lot of words but days nothing. It's a poe list essentially

If you look at who has pressure on people and in what spots , you can usually isolate them as not a scum team. That list is to look at who was actually willing to lim people and typically it wasn't because they were they target. I think that list competently enough looks at who pushed people voluntarily. So unless they were willing to bus / or putting on scum theatre. I'm hoping I'm correct with most of it.

[Mikul]

My personal break point is to absolutely be sure that lunar is town. If lunar is town I'm like 99 percent sure safebet is scum. Either that or uwnd and peta just rolled us

If lunar is scum , then I think safe bet is town and it's peta or uwnd.

So the real question for me is if I 100 percent buy lunar. Said it over and over. Behaviorally everything about him is wrong but I'm really stuck on the doc claim.

[unwnd]

No this is mostly a today thing. I was pretty confident before.

Another dumb question to you: Why did you say this then?

Earlier you said you were sitting back because it was unfair to newbies if you went 100%. But now you're setting a trap? That doesn't seem very sporting, and contradicts your earlier stance where you just wanted newbies to have fun and learn. I think I could vote for either safebet or unwnd here.

This just reads to me like a very confident post. I've probably touched this three times in a span of 25 minutes but just be honest with me if you're town. Why did you suspect me here where does your paranoia lie? Just give me a stream of consciousness if that makes sense.

[Mikul]

Safebet read me as scum , then changed his mind and went with me on quiet and is right back on me. That sets wrong with me. As if he new the lynch was wrong and was ready to have a case against me this dp.

The dynamic I have in that scenario is safebet plays the idea and whoever is his partner between uwnd and peta tries to sell the other one that idea and I'm the mislynch target.

There is a lot of different paths this game can take.

I don't think I'm willing to solve the peta and uwnd scenario today.

I am willing to solve between lunar and safebet.

I really need to shake off my bias about role is confirmation to look at this properly

[Mikul]

Also agree with unwnd , usually having locked confirmations via roles make it easy. This game is pure behavior and it's quite difficult due to town locks.

[Lunar Martian]

No this is mostly a today thing. I was pretty confident before.

Another dumb question to you: Why did you say this then?

Earlier you said you were sitting back because it was unfair to newbies if you went 100%. But now you're setting a trap? That doesn't seem very sporting, and contradicts your earlier stance where you just wanted newbies to have fun and learn. I think I could vote for either safebet or unwnd here.

This just reads to me like a very confident post. I've probably touched this three times in a span of 25 minutes but just be honest with me if you're town. Why did you suspect me here where does your paranoia lie? Just give me a stream of consciousness if that makes sense.

Each piece of logic by itself makes sense. But there are reasons to suspect everyone, and they aren't all right. I had a pretty visceral reaction to that gimmick, but now with a bit of space I'm unsure about it. Even then although I thought it was scummy, I did have some doubt. The willingness to vote was partly emotional. I don't even know if I would have voted you there, although part of me was hoping that me saying that would get someone to latch on and agree, because I feel like just a little movement from someone will break this deadlock. I don't know if that makes sense. Most things I do have a few things underlying them. Some things I do have no deeper meaning or reason.

I feel like I've sort of opened my soul for people to see in the last few posts. I have to go for a few hours now, but if you have more questions still I'm happy to answer them.

[Lunar Martian]

I feel especially helpless here because this is my second game, and in my first game I died day 1 and then Town lost, so it's my first time trying to solve at the end of the game. I just don't know.

[Mikul]

Lunar gtyh who's scum and why

[Mikul]

@uwnd still same question

Barring me.

Who do you think is scum with a scum lunar.

[unwnd]

I can't really figure out that one which is where I am very hesitant to consider it