Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:53 am
IDK, I'm probably going to sheep Luca and vote Bugs.In post 1171, NoPowerOverMe wrote:@Frog so who do you think is scum?
IDK, I'm probably going to sheep Luca and vote Bugs.In post 1171, NoPowerOverMe wrote:@Frog so who do you think is scum?
As long as the execution is within Lunar/Bugs/OutWorldER/Trendall today I think it's a good choice. I'm kind of just spinning my wheels here trying to think of something useful I can do. I guess I will sheep you onto Trendall because he's annoying and doesn't do anything and I'm curious what everyone else will do.In post 1175, Frogsterking wrote:IDK, I'm probably going to sheep Luca and vote Bugs.In post 1171, NoPowerOverMe wrote:@Frog so who do you think is scum?
so why the TR on Trendall then?In post 1161, Galron wrote:I'm suspicious of the people who want to get rid of Bugs, who is a conduit to the hood, but not Gamma. It wasn't until recently that Gamma even shared anything from the hood, if I recall correctly.
In post 178, Frogsterking wrote:the statistics and psychographics will lead us further and faster than our pings.
So it's going well then?In post 1176, Frogsterking wrote:I guess I will sheep you onto Trendall because he's annoying and doesn't do anything
From your perspective it's not because you just talked me into executing you, unless that was your goal, in which case you're doing quite well.In post 1178, Trendall wrote:In post 178, Frogsterking wrote:the statistics and psychographics will lead us further and faster than our pings.So it's going well then?In post 1176, Frogsterking wrote:I guess I will sheep you onto Trendall because he's annoying and doesn't do anything
I'm going to explain using Trendall's personality type, which he self-identifies as being "pure neuroticism", and then later specifies further as being low in the anxiety sub facet, both of which seem fairly accurate. Trendall's posts where he self-identifies these traits are in the spoilers below.In post 1169, Lunar Martian wrote:That's a strange thing to latch onto. Clearly it's two competing and mutually exclusive theories. Why are you trying to discredit Frogster so consistently?In post 1168, Trendall wrote:I don't see how in one possibility one person can be 'obvious' and in another possibility the same person can be town. And 'obvscum possibly' is like...In post 1163, Frogsterking wrote:Right now I see two competing theories:
1) Luca, OutWorldER and Lunar are town, Bugs is obvscum possibly along with Trendall and there are one or more deep scum.
2) Galron, Trendall and Bugs are town, Lunar and OutWorldER are obvscum and there is one deep scum who in this scenario I propose as Gamma.
So basically by his own definition Trendall feels angry and/or depressed (since he clarified he's not anxious), is hyper sensitive to criticism, feels helpless and confused, and is unable to moderate his impulses. Notice the defensiveness here when you FoSed him:High Neuroticism
Your score on Neuroticism is high, indicating that you are easily upset, even by what most people consider the normal demands of living. People consider you to be sensitive and emotional.
Neuroticism Facets
Anxiety. The "fight-or-flight" system of the brain of anxious individuals is too easily and too often engaged. Therefore, people who are high in anxiety often feel like something dangerous is about to happen. They may be afraid of specific situations or be just generally fearful. They feel tense, jittery, and nervous. Persons low in Anxiety are generally calm and fearless. Your level of anxiety is $flev[1].
Anger. Persons who score high in Anger feel enraged when things do not go their way. They are sensitive about being treated fairly and feel resentful and bitter when they feel they are being cheated. This scale measures the tendency to feel angry; whether or not the person expresses annoyance and hostility depends on the individual's level on Agreeableness. Low scorers do not get angry often or easily. Your level of anger is $flev[2].
Depression. This scale measures the tendency to feel sad, dejected, and discouraged. High scorers lack energy and have difficult initiating activities. Low scorers tend to be free from these depressive feelings. Your level of depression is $flev[3].
Self-Consciousness. Self-conscious individuals are sensitive about what others think of them. Their concern about rejection and ridicule cause them to feel shy and uncomfortable abound others. They are easily embarrassed and often feel ashamed. Their fears that others will criticize or make fun of them are exaggerated and unrealistic, but their awkwardness and discomfort may make these fears a self-fulfilling prophecy. Low scorers, in contrast, do not suffer from the mistaken impression that everyone is watching and judging them. They do not feel nervous in social situations. Your level or self-consciousness is $flev[4].
Immoderation. Immoderate individuals feel strong cravings and urges that they have difficulty resisting. They tend to be oriented toward short-term pleasures and rewards rather than long- term consequences. Low scorers do not experience strong, irresistible cravings and consequently do not find themselves tempted to overindulge. Your level of immoderation is $flev[5].
Vulnerability. High scorers on Vulnerability experience panic, confusion, and helplessness when under pressure or stress. Low scorers feel more poised, confident, and clear-thinking when stressed. Your level of vulnerability is $flev[6].
In post 1037, Trendall wrote:Lol I won't waste my time then. Let's all get this then because there was a fair amount of support for eliminating Lunar yesterday, so we can just like, get it done now.In post 1033, Lunar Martian wrote:who is there to defend me? Trendall.
VOTE: Lunar Martian
In post 1055, Trendall wrote:What 'changing story'? Like where lmao. And where was I 'confident' in anything and where did I 'go to great effort' or whatever you said to defend you? You are just making stuff up.
Trendall's stance on telling stories is "Not sure I understand the question", he's "not sure what I'd lie about online exactly or why", and he "wouldn't know" how good he is at lying and then qualifies himself.In post 51, Trendall wrote:Slating personality tests is really one of those 'world's most non-controversial opinions' things, where you'll get like ten people all agreeing with each other saying 'personality tests are so dumb!', as if each individual one thinks they're this lone minority voice crusading against the hordes of people who love personality tests. Then if you engage with them they'll tell you that people can't be put into boxes.
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1. When was the first time you played mafia and do you remember if you liked it?
Years ago some of my friends invited me to play on a private message board, and I don't remember the game too well but I discovered this website and got fascinated by the game reading about the different roles and so on.
2. Why are you playing this current game of mafia now?
Cause I normally play the newbie games, but I joined a mini game a while back and found it really fun, so now I'm trying another one.
3. What is your favorite mafia-like game now? (including games like Among Us and Secret Hitler)
Nothing ever beats epicmafia
4. How many people would you say you interact with offline on a typical day?
There is really no such thing as a 'typical day' for me in terms of whom I interact with, but over the past few weeks it's gonna average out at like 3-4 per day.
5. How many people would you say you interact with online on a typical day?
Really wouldn't know
6. How often do you tell stories?
Not sure I understand the question
7. Do you think that lying is ever OK?
No
8. Do you lie more often online than offline?
Presumably offline, I'm not sure what I'd lie about online exactly or why
9. How good are you at lying?
I wouldn't know because it might be that people know that I'm lying to them and are being too polite to tell me. I generally just prefer to tell the truth, so I hardly get to practice. But I don't remember ever being caught in a situation that I couldn't immediately talk my way out of.
10. Would you rather talk to someone in-person or online?
In person, and then if we don't get to see each other in person v often then msg me constantly every day x
In post 53, Frogsterking wrote:Wow thank you for cooperating Trendall, I'm curious if you've ever been part of a death metal band or other band?
In post 54, Trendall wrote:Yeah I've been in loads of bands, not death metal though.
Trendall.In post 1171, NoPowerOverMe wrote:@Frog so who do you think is scum?
In post 1183, Lunar Martian wrote:I sort of disagree with that analysis. I didn't understand the storytelling question either. We all tell stories and use metaphor unless (except some neuro atypical people). Even neuro atypical will recount memories, etc., which is a form of storytelling.#1 What sort of stories do we tell is more relevant I think.Questions 7-9 are more interesting. Pretty much everyone admits that noble lies are acceptable, except maybe Kantians. We all put on a persona somewhat when we go online, so it seems odd that he wouldn't know what to lie about. And I feel like everyone knows how good a liar they are, especially if they do sometimes lie. There's a bit of a disconnect between saying he never really lies but then also talking about how friends react to his lies.
To be clear Trendall, I'm not saying nor do I think that you're a bad person.#2 I feel like this is treading dangerously close to making judgments about your character IRL, and I just want to say that despite talking about you lying, I don't think you're a bad person or anything. I tell plenty of lies. I'm only really talking about any of this in an effort to determine whether you're Mafia in this game.
One last thing before I work on my chill for a little while, is that Bugs shared info with their ability much earlier, but Gamma did use his ability to help me first chance he got:In post 1161, Galron wrote:I'm suspicious of the people who want to get rid of Bugs, who is a conduit to the hood, but not Gamma. It wasn't until recently that Gamma even shared anything from the hood, if I recall correctly.
In post 1142, Gamma Emerald wrote:I may be able to answer theseIn post 1139, Frogsterking wrote:@All Did Amelie share any thoughts about night actions from her previous game on this site?
@Bugspray@Gamma Can you gather anything concrete about who she may have targeted last night or if potential scum in the hood chat may have been able to fish out the prs?
In post 1148, Gamma Emerald wrote:Based on hood contents I’d figure Galron was the NK target
And if scum is in there they probably know 1 PR
Y'knowIn post 1090, Luca Blight wrote:I don't see the progression here. One of the people pushing NPOM was Momrangal herself, who gave absolutely no reasoning at all for her vote. Also, one of these 'crappy' pushes against NPOM came from Bugs, who Momrangal seemingly doesn't want to suspect or pressurize.
Now, gonna take awhile to catch up but I agree with your haunch. There are bigger town fish to fry unless all the big fish are scum and I feel like a big fish so....In post 1145, Grendel wrote:How much longer until your v/la is over? I was wanting to hear your thoughts on the gamestate today.
In particular your thoughts on Trendel, OutWorlder, Luca, and also thoughts surrounding EoD1.
To be clear I also wasn't trying to passive-aggressively say you were over the line. I was just feeling like what I said could be interpreted as rude even though it wasn't intended to cause harm in any way, and I didn't think anything I was saying was an attack in any way.In post 1184, Frogsterking wrote:In post 1183, Lunar Martian wrote:I sort of disagree with that analysis. I didn't understand the storytelling question either. We all tell stories and use metaphor unless (except some neuro atypical people). Even neuro atypical will recount memories, etc., which is a form of storytelling.#1 What sort of stories do we tell is more relevant I think.Questions 7-9 are more interesting. Pretty much everyone admits that noble lies are acceptable, except maybe Kantians. We all put on a persona somewhat when we go online, so it seems odd that he wouldn't know what to lie about. And I feel like everyone knows how good a liar they are, especially if they do sometimes lie. There's a bit of a disconnect between saying he never really lies but then also talking about how friends react to his lies.
To be clear Trendall, I'm not saying nor do I think that you're a bad person.#2 I feel like this is treading dangerously close to making judgments about your character IRL, and I just want to say that despite talking about you lying, I don't think you're a bad person or anything. I tell plenty of lies. I'm only really talking about any of this in an effort to determine whether you're Mafia in this game.#1That's a great point and that would be a much better question.
#2Same here, I don't think Trendall lies or does anything wrong IRL, and it was not my intention to attack him as a person, it was my intention to show how I believe he happens to be lying and attacking everything I say in this specific game, and there is probably a reason for it (scum flip).
The problem is is that you never really have a way of knowing whether the reason why you got away with whatever you were trying to do was because the person genuinely wasn't aware you're lying, or because there was just some sorta unstated social agreement there to like, both go along with it, white lies, that sorta thing.In post 1183, Lunar Martian wrote:And I feel like everyone knows how good a liar they are, especially if they do sometimes lie.
This is the first post I’ve seen that makes me question the value of the personality stuffIn post 1191, Trendall wrote:Yeah I really wish I had the time to discuss what I'm like in real life and how it relates to this mafia game. I'm sorry Frogsterking but the majority of that post isn't terribly accurate (you got the poor impulse control bit correct and that's basically it) and the disingenuous mental gymnastics of your trying to claim that I myself claimed those things about my own personality is like...I just have no idea what the fresh hell I just read to be honest. I'm not really interested in any of your criticisms of me on a personal level, you're presuming that the way that I choose to approach a mafia game is broadly representative of what my entire personality is like in real life, and it just isn't, I'm a character in a mafia game. On epicmafia years back I had different accounts and they all had different personalities like one was always cool and laid back, one was very talkative and frenetic and so on. I have no idea how to explain this and I have no objection to having a big conversation about how this relates to major insecurities I may have about myself or mental health issues I may have been diagnosed with and so on, but this is just a thing with me, I like screwing around with different online personas and one of the many reasons why I love this game is that it's a roleplaying game and Iin theoryshould be able to just do that with the underlying understanding between all the players being that when you're in the game and just when you're online generally, you don't go about things the same as you do irl, so nothing in the way of a player being manipulative or critical or anything such as this necessarily reflects onto how they are as a person. To reiterate you're a character in a roleplaying game. When you start to focus too much on people's real life personalities, then it might not even be relevant for reasons such as this. But more importantly, the game basically turns into 'let's eliminate the person with the worst personality, who can win by attacking who's character the hardest?' which...I mean to be perfectly honest I'd probably prefer that as a game, but we signed up for a game of mafia so I don't think the real life stuff is useful.
Still thinkin' about that mega suspicious town read I had on you huh?In post 1196, Lunar Martian wrote:I still feel pretty confident for other reasons that Trendall is Mafia
The straw man graveyard is filling up really fast. Soon we will be all out of straw men and will have to address the real arguments though.In post 1197, Trendall wrote:Still thinkin' about that mega suspicious town read I had on you huh?In post 1196, Lunar Martian wrote:I still feel pretty confident for other reasons that Trendall is Mafia