Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[YyottaCat]

Pagetop?

[Daenerys and Dragons]

tfw you’re so distracted by the game you miss all the pagetops

[Daenerys and Dragons]

yyotta have you seen my question?

- Daenerys

[MURDERCAT]

1. There's a difference between and . Your penguine reaction tests were aimed at the former suspicion. I don't see how you go from there to the latter suspicion.

2. Was penguin scum in your last game?

3. Why, in the first place, did you reaction test penguin for his active monitoring of the thread?

I'm genuinely not sure what the difference is. Like it is obvious that PP was not leading the conversation. So I tested if PP was just not around or was being selective in what to post.

PP has been scum in both my games with him since I've been back, though 1 didn't really count because it was a meme game.

In my mind, someone who sits around the thread watching what is happening but only responding when called upon is scummy. Look at the game I linked to, PP waited for me to push Taylor and then immediately jumped on with me (I think Taylor was also scum that game but the point is that scum is usually more reactive than proactive).

[YyottaCat]

Gamma seems a little suspicious.

Infinity, GC, KITTY, Salsabil, PP are my TR.
Everyone else seems null.

can you define why you find me suspicious?
this does sorta answer my question tho

Gamma seems a little suspicious.

Infinity, GC, KITTY, Salsabil, PP are my TR.
Everyone else seems null.

can you explain these reads please

- Daenerys

@Gamma I think the way you reacted to your wagon is a little suspicious.

@lilith Infinity just seems townish during the game, GC got some fairly solid (at least how I view it) reasoning behind things although I'm not sure about his KITTY vote. I honestly don't think KITTY is that suspicious. I think he also got some town vibes. Salsabil seems to be going real deep in scumhunting this game. Something that seems town to me. PP just seems to be a passive townie.

[Salsabil Faria]

Gamma Emerald

NAI Posts:

15, 21, 249, 250, 369, 375, 383, 523, 642, 998, 1056, 1125

Game Related Posts (but Null):

10, 471, 653, 695, 782, 801, 818, 1007, 1043, 1071, 1077, 1120, 1122, 1126, 1128.

Good Posts:

YyottaCat Push

:

232, 233, 234, 236, 248, 386, 534, 575, 580, 597, 611, 812, 829, 1123, 1133.
I feel that town!you are pushing her in good faith.

All about MURDERCAT

:

399, 405, 471, 723, 802, 980, 994, 1019, 1024, 1026, 1036, 1042, 1044, 1047, 1049, 1054, 1059, 1060, 1062, 1064, 1066, 1073, 1080, 1082, 1083, 1092, 1094, 1105, 1106, 1118.
I can totally understand where are you coming from, I'm agreeing with your meta points despite scumreading him and giving him the benefit of the doubt by not placing vote on him. I have one question though, for argument's sake, if he is a scum here, isn't it possible that scum!him is acting like town!him from his previous games?

Others

:

{237, 238, 241, 245, 246} = find good faith.

{239, 242 (misunderstood

Infinity 324

but not scum indicative yet), 529 (I agree), 673(town vibe), 809} = seem okay.

I Have Questions Posts:

(i)

Can you explain more about 347, 372 and 472? I don't understand.

(ii)

Why did you think

Dumb and Dumber

's was okay (refer: 653)?

(iii)

What is your current read about

Infinity 324

(refer: 824)?

(iv)

Reason (refer: 984)?

Current Read:

Null/

Town

[Salsabil Faria]

What leads you to that conclusion?

I'm continuously getting this feeling that

Daenerys and Dragons

vs

Dumb and Dumber

is not TvT

yeah why is that?

- Daenerys

Mostly gut, don't go through all of your ISOs yet, find hard to read actually.

[Green Crayons]

Look at the game I linked to

I don't see what game you're referring to with penguin. I only see a link to the game where you said town threw.

[Gamma Emerald]

(i) Can you explain more about 347, 372 and 472? I don't understand.

(ii) Why did you think Dumb and Dumber's was okay (refer: 653)?

(iii) What is your current read about Infinity 324 (refer: 824)?

(iv) Reason (refer: 984)?

347 I was asking a small question to feel infinity out and I felt he responded in a way that made more waves, which felt towny
372 I felt their interaction was a bit of distancing (which now that I remember that I'm probably gonna have to retrace my steps and see how I really feel in that front)
472 I had gut pings from GC so I was like "this

might

be a good expression what I'm feeling"

dumbo's townblock seemed okay because shadowslug seemed genuine, so did infinity, and I was okay letting you be included

I still read infinity as town, though I had some hazy doubts earlier

I voted NM because on some level I was conscious of scum liking being on murdercat around that point in the wagon and I also wanted to vote with infinity

as for the murdercat question, I presume he could imitate those behaviors but it would probably be hard for him
I especially think it would be hard for him to act towny in later days

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I think the way you reacted to your wagon is a little suspicious.

idk exactly what you mean by this
I did kinda get defensive at catboi before, was that what you mean?

[MURDERCAT]

I don't see what game you're referring to with penguin. I only see a link to the game where you said town threw.

I was referring to this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84282

Here's an example of what I am talking about (presented without context, but you know you can go read it):

VOTE: gamer

VOTE: gamer

This one of a couple times where PP immediately sheeped me on a vote rather than pushing something himself.

[Gamma Emerald]

The Gamma distraction feels pretty boring to me, and I can totally imagine Gamma as stubborn/frustrated town justifying his actions. The emotional reaction does seem a little disproportionate, marking that for later study.

MURDERKITTY is still the correct lim.

-Dumbass

this doesn't really sound like you think he's scum with murder imo.

- Daenerys

I'm pretty sure dumbo's been clear about thinking murdercat is the bomb? I could be miscrediting a post to them tho

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm continuously getting this feeling that

Daenerys and Dragons

vs

Dumb and Dumber

is not TvT

I have to agree with this
I also had a sense one of Targaryen and PP was scum, so out of those I'm inclined to suspect Targaryen
(also tfw I have to create wacky nicknames like NM because the full names are too long and staqndard shortening gets confusing)

[Gamma Emerald]

I was referring to 802 of course, I do keep my wiki up to date

Yeah that's kinda what I thought? Though I have to say your method of counting games doesn't entirely align with mine
I tend to focus on games I finish out
PP/Targaryen was the binary I had in mind btw

[Daenerys and Dragons]

your reads are garbage.

1) does anyone ACTUALLY believe that I, as scum, would willingly pick a 1v1 against town!skitter? I've been pushing her slot since the beginning. that would mean you have two of the strongest town players in this game, who are also familiar with both my towngame and my scumgame, and I'm staring them in the face and drawing their attention like this. in what universe is that how I aim to play around skitter? that makes no fucking sense.

2) look at my ISO. I'm constantly engaging with people, evaluating my reads, picking things apart, and pushing. even though I'm no longer focusing on auro, it's clear I'm still trying to sort him. I'm trying to sort everyone. I'm clearly invested in this game and trying to solve. look at my posts and say to my face that this is a scummy ISO.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

not only that, but in order to scumread me you have to believe that after skitter and auro backed off me, that I am willingly, repeatedly, poking and prodding and antagonizing them instead of just letting them townread me. how on earth do you think this is a strategy that scum!me takes with respect to a town!dumb and dumber. how????

either you're blind or you're scum.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@lilith Infinity just seems townish during the game, GC got some fairly solid (at least how I view it) reasoning behind things although I'm not sure about his KITTY vote. I honestly don't think KITTY is that suspicious. I think he also got some town vibes. Salsabil seems to be going real deep in scumhunting this game. Something that seems town to me. PP just seems to be a passive townie.

can you point to posts that gave you town vibes for infinity and murder?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

also I'm going to point out that setting up binaries like this is really fucking scummy. "oh I think one of X and Y is scum. let's flip X" [X flips town] "oh I guess it was actually Y, let's flip Y instead"

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

The Gamma distraction feels pretty boring to me, and I can totally imagine Gamma as stubborn/frustrated town justifying his actions. The emotional reaction does seem a little disproportionate, marking that for later study.

MURDERKITTY is still the correct lim.

-Dumbass

this doesn't really sound like you think he's scum with murder imo.

- Daenerys

I'm pretty sure dumbo's been clear about thinking murdercat is the bomb? I could be miscrediting a post to them tho

they specifically said they

don't

think murder is the bomb

Murdercat probably isn't the bomb though

Catboiii!

-Dumbass

this is also just completely irrelevant to my point, which was that 1146 makes it sound like auro thinks you're town, which doesn't jive with his later post saying he thinks you have partner equity with murder. once again, you've made it about murder's alignment when my point has nothing to do with murder's alignment. how would auro thinking murder is the bomb change my point?

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@gamma please also explain what you mean by a "binary with me and PP." also please explain why you had to ask murder about a game and what info that gave you that led to you deciding in this binary.

- Daenerys

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn't sure whether murdercat was crediting BTXV as his one scumgame or not
if that was the case then my side of the debate fell flat and the binary didn't qualify
otherwise I felt either cakez was negligent in highlighting the recency of the finished game or PP was overlooking it despite it being called out

the question was to determine if the binary existed, not to pick a side

[Daenerys and Dragons]

What do you mean “cakes was negligent in highlighting the recency of the game”? Is this the traitor game?

- Daenerys

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah

[Daenerys and Dragons]

also I want a response to literally everything I said because you clearly haven’t been paying attention if you at all think I could be scum.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

What do you mean “cakes was negligent in highlighting the recency of the game”?