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forced to claim PR here, as in:
- IF Town, BM is fakeclaiming PR as scum and skitter will truthfully claim her role.
- If Mafia, skitter will probably be in a heated conflict with BM, and needs to claim PR to avoid confirming BM as town.

Of course this assumes BM + HUB is impossible.

In post 1174, floo wrote:I'm Vanilla Townie.

Just wanted to make sure that the claim order wasn't too important. Given the conflicts between BM and HUB, I thought the latter's slot would be forced to claim PR here.

it was important but i got frustrated when LoneMarkhor claimed early and then i also claimed earlier than i should have. And yes I figure Skitter is likely to claim PR - although there's a question of how credible it is. Of course, Skitter could actually be a PR - but only 1 of 2 possible options. And I think it's more likely neither.

In fact, here's how it breaks down:

Skitter claims Cop - Impossible from my perspective, but it casts doubt on my claim (meaning I'm not confirmed town). Question then becomes, where are the crumbed results to prove it?
Skitter claims JK - Impossible from my perspective, but it casts doubt on my claim (meaning I'm not confirmed town). Question is then, who did they target and why - although this is less of a hard sell.
Skitter claims Tracker - This is possible from my perspective, and it confirms me as town (because given no other PR claims, the existence of a tracker confirms I am JK).
Skitter claims Friendly Neighbour - This is possible from my perspective, and it confirms me as town (because given no other PR claims, the existence of a friendly neighbour confirms I am JK).
Skitter claims VT - Also possible of course, and again confirms me as town as the only claimed PR.

But because I'm attacking Skitter, it makes more sense for them to claim Cop/JK and try to 1v1 with me. But that puts us in a great position too.

Also just occurs to me, I'll be conftown on a Skitter-flip regardless, plus I can clear 1 other player, so scum MUST kill me tonight or be mechanically guaranteed to lose (because they'd be up against 2 confirmed town players in the final 3).

Assuming Skitter is scum of course.

In post 1175, floo wrote:forced to claim PR here, as in:
- IF Town, BM is fakeclaiming PR as scum and skitter will truthfully claim her role.
- If Mafia, skitter will probably be in a heated conflict with BM, and needs to claim PR to avoid confirming BM as town.

Of course this assumes BM + HUB is impossible.

BM + HUB is now impossible due to the claims - there must be at least 1 PR and it can only be me or Skitter.

the replacement situation has a pro and a con if my reads are right.

pro = skitter-scum will struggle to come up with a credible fakeclaim and might make a mistake more easily.
con = Lonemarkhor-town might have wildly different reads to FBJim who was on the level.

although let's see!

In post 1147, Vasex wrote:VOTE: Floo

In post 1148, Vasex wrote:I have no much time today. I dont think HUB asked for replace if he was mafia in this situation. Though I have one susp.moment from him: he said that he understood my bloodthirsty style of game, but then he gave me the opportunity to hammer playing like it wasn't predictable for him after my promises and changing the votes. But I don't think he is mafia.
My position was at least one mafia in Floo-Kitty, and I'm going to follow this plan.
Pr(s) can change my mind.
I think that it is time for PR(s) to claim, so if anybody is interested: I'm Vanilla Townie.

Maybe BM is the partner of Floo (he demanded to hang Kitty). Maybe this was Jim...

In post 1151, Vasex wrote:

In post 1146, Datisi wrote:with 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision.

Don't vote. 2 vs 3. 1 wrong vote and this is the end. Or at least we should vote the mafia (maybee I just did it and it wasn't the end of the game).
We need to decide where to vote today all together, no miss votes, all together.

In post 1152, Vasex wrote:Don't vote before PRs info

These are the types of incoherent posts I've wanted Vasex to explain all game. Why does town!you vote me knowing that if I am town, the game is over? Especially with yourself claiming to be an experienced player who should have this in his head throughout the day. "Pr(s) can change my mind" implies he is not 100% confident that I am scum, but instantly voting me implies he is 100% confident.

In post 1154, Battle Mage wrote:that quickhammer yesterday was dirty. although both Vasex and HUB were responsible.

I wouldn't be at all shocked if it was HUB-Vasex - that's probably the most obvious pairing. But once claims are done, I need to re-read.

KEY THING IS (for the newbies): DON'T RUSH, and DON'T VOTE YET.

my initial thought is it's either Vasex-Floo or HUB+1. But key thing is, Floo and FBJim were not on either mis-elim wagon - meaning if they are scum, this town completely sucks and probably deserves to lose.

I was surprised by how quickly Vasex/HUB were willing to vote myself. Though you have to ask yourself why they would quickhammer? At first glance this seemed very unexplained to me because Vasex was not at risk of death there, but they might've quickhammered to avoid Vasex further taking heat from me and HUB further taking heat from you.

also yes it's possible I'd fakeclaim PR as scum here, but why would I? The prime elim candidates coming into today were Floo and HUB/Skitter. It makes more sense for me to claim VT, see how the land lies and decide whether or not to bus whichever one of them is my partner (if it is one!).

Me fakeclaiming PR here would be dumb because if we're in column 3 (which we would have to be if I'm scum), there's a 50-50 chance of a Cop, and if the Cop has a guilty on my team-mate, we basically lose the game if we don't get our way today. It's possible but stupidly risky for relatively little reward, and I'm not a game-thrower.

In post 1179, floo wrote:

In post 1147, Vasex wrote:VOTE: Floo

In post 1148, Vasex wrote:I have no much time today. I dont think HUB asked for replace if he was mafia in this situation. Though I have one susp.moment from him: he said that he understood my bloodthirsty style of game, but then he gave me the opportunity to hammer playing like it wasn't predictable for him after my promises and changing the votes. But I don't think he is mafia.
My position was at least one mafia in Floo-Kitty, and I'm going to follow this plan.
Pr(s) can change my mind.
I think that it is time for PR(s) to claim, so if anybody is interested: I'm Vanilla Townie.

Maybe BM is the partner of Floo (he demanded to hang Kitty). Maybe this was Jim...

In post 1151, Vasex wrote:

In post 1146, Datisi wrote:with 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision.

Don't vote. 2 vs 3. 1 wrong vote and this is the end. Or at least we should vote the mafia (maybee I just did it and it wasn't the end of the game).
We need to decide where to vote today all together, no miss votes, all together.

In post 1152, Vasex wrote:Don't vote before PRs info

These are the types of incoherent posts I've wanted Vasex to explain all game. Why does town!you vote me knowing that if I am town, the game is over? Especially with yourself claiming to be an experienced player who should have this in his head throughout the day. "Pr(s) can change my mind" implies he is not 100% confident that I am scum, but instantly voting me implies he is 100% confident.

In post 1154, Battle Mage wrote:that quickhammer yesterday was dirty. although both Vasex and HUB were responsible.

I wouldn't be at all shocked if it was HUB-Vasex - that's probably the most obvious pairing. But once claims are done, I need to re-read.

KEY THING IS (for the newbies): DON'T RUSH, and DON'T VOTE YET.

my initial thought is it's either Vasex-Floo or HUB+1. But key thing is, Floo and FBJim were not on either mis-elim wagon - meaning if they are scum, this town completely sucks and probably deserves to lose.

I was surprised by how quickly Vasex/HUB were willing to vote myself. Though you have to ask yourself why they would quickhammer? At first glance this seemed very unexplained to me because Vasex was not at risk of death there, but they might've quickhammered to avoid Vasex further taking heat from me and HUB further taking heat from you.

yes I agree that's possible, although it's more likely they thought it would just be less risky to seal the mis-elim and go to ExLo and stop any PR outting results etc. But it was a mad sequence of events. I said I'm going to do some reading and post some more stuff - shortly after, random quickhammer by them both with days and days left to spare. HUB open-wolfed on Day 1 too, so it's in character.

I'm hoping really that Skitter tries to counter-claim me as we should then win even if my other read is wrong.

Zzzzz

I think this city needs a hero

And this can be me

But not tonight

In post 1158, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1155, LoneMarkhor wrote:

In post 1151, Vasex wrote:

In post 1146, Datisi wrote:with 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision.

Don't vote. 2 vs 3. 1 wrong vote and this is the end. Or at least we should vote the mafia (maybee I just did it and it wasn't the end of the game).
We need to decide where to vote today all together, no miss votes, all together.

Town would never make this mistake. I once lost a game because I didn't lynch the person who did this at LYLO then made it a dumb tell like this.

I am a vanilla townie

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If there were masons, that means vassex and battle mage are lying.

Battle mage:

Could you please claim now? Because I think you are going to fakeclaim in case there is only one PR but you can make it two like C1 C2 setups.

Skitter:

Eh... could you claim too?

I gave a claim order for a reason. I wanted Skitter first because they are the most likely scum, me towards the end because I'm a town PR and want to see if I can catch scum in a lie, and you last because putting myself last would be too scummy and you are the most widely townread slot. But you claimed first instead which kinda kills it.

I was being suspicious that you were mafia and would say later that you were waiting to counterclaim mafia, which is what you'd have done.

One of us, that is LM/Floo/vassex is confmafia. And for me its floo/vassex. Due to the insane amounts of replacements, rereading is a pain. But from the first few pages I feel like vassex is mafia. He feels more like hanging out than solving the game. Battlemage is 90%town. I am town. Out of the other three, two are scum. Imo its skitter+vassex but I haven't read the whole thread yet.

In post 1146, Datisi wrote:~ skitter30 v/la fridays and saturdays

Cannot wait, please hurry

In post 1186, LoneMarkhor wrote:

In post 1158, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 1155, LoneMarkhor wrote:

In post 1151, Vasex wrote:

In post 1146, Datisi wrote:with 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to make a decision.

Don't vote. 2 vs 3. 1 wrong vote and this is the end. Or at least we should vote the mafia (maybee I just did it and it wasn't the end of the game).
We need to decide where to vote today all together, no miss votes, all together.

Town would never make this mistake. I once lost a game because I didn't lynch the person who did this at LYLO then made it a dumb tell like this.

I am a vanilla townie

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If there were masons, that means vassex and battle mage are lying.

Battle mage:

Could you please claim now? Because I think you are going to fakeclaim in case there is only one PR but you can make it two like C1 C2 setups.

Skitter:

Eh... could you claim too?

I gave a claim order for a reason. I wanted Skitter first because they are the most likely scum, me towards the end because I'm a town PR and want to see if I can catch scum in a lie, and you last because putting myself last would be too scummy and you are the most widely townread slot. But you claimed first instead which kinda kills it.

I was being suspicious that you were mafia and would say later that you were waiting to counterclaim mafia, which is what you'd have done.

One of us, that is LM/Floo/vassex is confmafia. And for me its floo/vassex. Due to the insane amounts of replacements, rereading is a pain. But from the first few pages I feel like vassex is mafia. He feels more like hanging out than solving the game. Battlemage is 90%town. I am town. Out of the other three, two are scum. Imo its skitter+vassex but I haven't read the whole thread yet.

yeah i basically agree with this. if you're mafia, i'm basically content to hand you the win at this point because you'd deserve it (given town self-destructing). always elim the scummiest player - golden rule.

Vasex and Skitter were the only players on both mis-elims (you and floo were on neither!), some of their interplay is a bit cute and this has always felt like a game controlled by scum - meaning at least 1 SE-scum as I said when I joined.

However, there is a world where it's Vasex-Floo - Vasex on Day 2 was playing so hard like it was Vasex-Floo. Skitter-Floo is also possible. But again my starting point is to punish the players who actually elimmed town, and not those who didn't.

Short answer is, I need to re-read before I vote, but it's probably Skitter-Vasex.

I believe that it is Floo
I'm ready to vote him
I don't care much after those mistakes and replacement and death of TRQ and HUB, but I tried to hang him the whole game, but )) Every time something went wrong.
But none of his posts the whole game seem to me townie

Where is Skitter?
I can do that even before him.
But ok I'll wait some more time
team play

I'll do that first and if nothing happens it means that I'm right. Maybe not so obvious for you, but for me

what's the point in voting Floo? if Floo is scum, there's categorically no majority here.

BM has declared priority order of elims: Skitter; Vasex
LoneMarkhor has declared priority order of elims: Vasex; Skitter
Floo clearly won't vote themselves, and has indicated their top suspect is Vasex, and are open-minded to elimming Skitter.

So best case scenario, you and Skitter both vote Floo - and it's not enough for a majority.

Vasex - if you're town, and Floo is scum, you can have the credit for being right, that's fine. I get that you really want to elim Floo. But a successful elim on Floo isn't happening today. We can, and should, re-evaluate tomorrow, but today a majority of players have declared we're shooting in {Vasex-Skitter}. If you're town, don't be stubborn - make your vote for Skitter, because it's your only chance. If you don't, it'll just convince everyone more that you and Skitter are scum together.

voting Floo is an unambiguously bad play here. if you're town, it either means you instantly lose because floo is town, or you just look scummy and get elimmed yourself.

also if you vote Floo, we have to elim you over Skitter today.

heya, sorry for my absence; i'm vla on fridays and saturdays and today i was mentoring a hackathon

i'm cop, and i have a guilty on vasex last night, and given that bm is obviously lying about his claim, he's like 99.9% of the time the partner

VOTE: vasex

i know i haven't been around all game but floo, lonemarkhor, i'm around now. let's talk

ha ha ha
So what do you think now, BM? ))
VOTE: skitter30

i mean you kinda have to do that

What's your other inspect result?

clear on ydrasse n1, which isn't particularly helpful

The last one is Floo I'm pretty sure

Don't make fast votes. Now all the townies should listen to BM

In my uderstanding it is impossible for two PRs like that to exist in one game + it is impossible to check me like mafia scum, because I'm Vanilla Townie

Skitter is definite mafia, and BM now should know it.
In this game Skitter is mafia, no other options for him

Floo is 99% his partner imo