In post 1085, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:S_S, mastina, did either of you bid more than 325 on cop D1?
No. I've placed bids on every item every single day so generally speaking?
None of my bids have exceeded 200
because I'm always splitting my bids between four different items. (I still have a full wallet because everyone has bid higher than 200 every single day and I can't go much higher than 200 on any single bid of mine due to me spreading my money out. I can go slightly higher than 200, but not by much, because I've multiple hundreds on other items, meaning only one item per day I have a chance of getting.)
Seems pretty absolute to me, and like you say, a clear contraction (200 is not "pretty damn high" by anyone's standards).
VOTE: mastina
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:17 pm
by mastina
In post 1173, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Mastina didnt outright lie but said misleading things about her bids today. Said she never bid more than a couple hundred or so on anything but also said she put a very high bid on watcher and the 2 statements dont jive, but the one about not bidding a lot on one thing wasn't an absolute
When we have 500 how the FUCK is 200 NOT 'pretty damn high'?
It's literally nearly half of what we have at our disposal. 40% of what you have is pretty damn high. How would it NOT be?
I Bid 200 on 1x Cop;
I Bid 150 on 2x Doctor;
I Bid 11 on 1x Hitman;
I Bid 11 on 1x Roleblocker;
I bid 40 on 2x Gravedigger;
I bid 10 on 1x Auction Detective;
I bid 200 on 2x Watcher;
I bid 10 on 2x Auction Detective;
I Bid 100 on Jailkeeper initially;
I Bid 50 on Tracker initially;
I Bid 25 on Ninja initially;
I Bid 5 on Godfather initially;
I've raised bids to unspecified amounts on the non-500 items, which are fairly high bids in their own right.
I've been bidding ~300-425ish (I've not mathed it out) each day, with the intent of having some money to spare if I win all my bids but to not go all-in on getting any individual power. Which has led to me being outbid by people because apparently people are willing to spend 300+ on items and blow through their economy.
VOTE: Cupcake Butterfly
I prefer VFP > Cupcake Butterfly, but Cupcake Butterfly > most of the other eliminations > me and there's votes there so.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:40 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
UNVOTE:
I will catch up but I don’t want to vote CB today.
I will catch up but I don’t want to vote CB today.
I have an extremely difficult time seeing scum!CB lurking like that unless they were literally a slam dunk to be elimed.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:44 pm
by Something_Smart
I suspect that if a slot is lurking this hard it's not alignment related. If Gypyx had been keeping up with prods he would have long since been replaced.
Vfp, why vote Imaginality now? To prove you 2 arent scum together?
@everyone, if mastina flipped red right now, who would her partner be? I'm entertaining a theory right now of scum!mastina town!vfp and I think I see a likely partner, wanna know what others think, especially curious what S&M, Gamma, and Imaginality think as members of the Kitty wagon.
I agree with SS on Mastina!town. She sounds very natural here and she sounds pretty much the polar opposite as scum.
Vfp, why vote Imaginality now? To prove you 2 arent scum together?
@everyone, if mastina flipped red right now, who would her partner be? I'm entertaining a theory right now of scum!mastina town!vfp and I think I see a likely partner, wanna know what others think, especially curious what S&M, Gamma, and Imaginality think as members of the Kitty wagon.
This is nowhere near a conclusive thought but I read a few of mastina’s early posts and I kinda feel like CB could be a mastina partner
I think they’re both town.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:56 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
VOTE: Imaginality
Maybe they’re not aligned but I think think he’s the connecting factor between VFP and Kyouku. I think we’re making a huge mistake if we lim anywhere outside of those three.
VFP and Kyouku are not aligned with each other but either could be with Imaginality. I still think this is the best vote.
@Marci, I asked you why you tr him and your answer could possibly affect my vote.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:02 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
In post 1179, Something_Smart wrote:I suspect that if a slot is lurking this hard it's not alignment related. If Gypyx had been keeping up with prods he would have long since been replaced.
Yeah, it’s definitely not AI, probably rl maybe? I just don’t think he’s scum and we already had a probable miselim with Cyrus but at least that was to save you. I just think this is pointless. I don’t believe that any of the votes tjat counted to save you last night came from scum and that obviously includes CB.
I understand Pooky’s reasoning however because CB is taking up a slot but I just don’t see him either flipping scum here or giving us any particularly useful info.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:07 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
CB isn’t ellitelling btw. I just checked and their last post anywhere on this site was last Sunday. so they definitely aren’t lurking.
We should let scum eat the GF bid, since they’re likely putting all of their pennies on Ninja, so I strongly recommend whomever gets tracker to use it to get an inno, because if scum has ninja than a tracker will just be wasted on them.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:14 pm
by imaginality
S&M does mastina's self-contradiction about her bidding concern you?
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:17 pm
by ssbm_Kyouko
I dont understand associating me with Imaginality. I also dont understand vfp+Imaginality. Me because I know I'm town but also I feel like I've had transparent interactions with him throughout the game. Also the money situation. I bought hitman for 426, he claims to have bought roleblocker for 410. I think he can only lie about that as scum if another scum bought it. We know from Marci that Kitty did not buy anything. Unless the team is Marci/Imaginality, it is clear that as scum Imaginality can't outbid town for daykill. This makes it unlikely for him to be teamed with Gamma or VFP either because of their current bids.
This is why Imaginality is on the outs of my poe. The only partner that makes sense with him is Marci imo. It's possible he's with any of the 3 in my main poe, but I see other pairings as more likely, like mastina/S_S
We should let scum eat the GF bid, since they’re likely putting all of their pennies on Ninja, so I strongly recommend whomever gets tracker to use it to get an inno, because if scum has ninja than a tracker will just be wasted on them.
Gamma claimed he is bidding 499 on GF and VFP claimed he is bidding 500 on ninja
In post 1173, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Mastina didnt outright lie but said misleading things about her bids today. Said she never bid more than a couple hundred or so on anything but also said she put a very high bid on watcher and the 2 statements dont jive, but the one about not bidding a lot on one thing wasn't an absolute
When we have 500 how the FUCK is 200 NOT 'pretty damn high'?
It's literally nearly half of what we have at our disposal. 40% of what you have is pretty damn high. How would it NOT be?
I Bid 200 on 1x Cop;
I Bid 150 on 2x Doctor;
I Bid 11 on 1x Hitman;
I Bid 11 on 1x Roleblocker;
I bid 40 on 2x Gravedigger;
I bid 10 on 1x Auction Detective;
I bid 200 on 2x Watcher;
I bid 10 on 2x Auction Detective;
I Bid 100 on Jailkeeper initially;
I Bid 50 on Tracker initially;
I Bid 25 on Ninja initially;
I Bid 5 on Godfather initially;
I've raised bids to unspecified amounts on the non-500 items, which are fairly high bids in their own right.
I've been bidding ~300-425ish (I've not mathed it out) each day, with the intent of having some money to spare if I win all my bids but to not go all-in on getting any individual power. Which has led to me being outbid by people because apparently people are willing to spend 300+ on items and blow through their economy.
VOTE: Cupcake Butterfly
I prefer VFP > Cupcake Butterfly, but Cupcake Butterfly > most of the other eliminations > me and there's votes there so.
I thought 400 would be "pretty damn high", 350 at the very least. And from the size of winning bids I think everyone would think something similar. There are only 16 roles.and 13 players so most people will only get 1, maybe 2 roles, unless people die with wallets. And most likely, scum are the ones that end up with multiple roles anyways.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:44 pm
by imaginality
I also don't like how when I argued why town should bid high D1 and D2, mastina didn't engage in that discussion but did bid low. Clearly she felt I was wrong so why not question it or disagree? Keeping quiet while believing someone is pushing town to adopt a bad strategy seems anti-town.
There's a possible pro-town answer - to avoid scum knowing that she still likely had a full wallet - but as per mastina's discussion of VFP, she wasn't thinking of scum as coin-hunting rather than PR hunting. So I doubt that was the reason.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:04 pm
by marcistar
In post 1182, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:@Marci, I asked you why you tr him and your answer could possibly affect my vote.
im so bad at showing my thought process for townreads i think but ill try
the strongest feeling came from all the auction detective stuff you've talked about with him, i don't quite see why he would not bid higher if he was scum, since he still would have a bit of money left at that point. (as scum he could've: bid a bit higher than 90 on d2 + not mention having rb at all) 191 even though i didnt really agree with his ssbm_kyouko scum stuff in this post, i think it could actually be townie, it seems like hes thinking through things well. im not sure but i dont think scum would usually accuse someone of scumslipping, i think if he was scum the word choice would've been left out. 248, his talking strategy stuff seems like hes just leading towards what he believes is best for town.
aand then when he just keeps talking the same strategy, no matter how much people show they dislike it. that seems town (i feel like scum would just let it drop so that they avoid major conflict with town.) 703 i dont think scum would make a post like this, it seems like a townie whos not happy with how things are currently going :/ 836868 like these
In post 905, imaginality wrote:I doubt the cyrus scum reads because:
- it means scum cyrus didn't try to get on the Kitty wagon despite being active day end
- it means the above quoted post from cyrus, and similar ones, are acting rather than genuine and I don't get that sense; I think confusion is hard to fake and I think he'd be less confused about stuff if he was scum
@cyrus
if you're online, and town, and you haven't yet bid all your money, don't bid any more unless you're no longer the likeliest to be elimmed - if you're town and get elimmed it's better for us if you don't take any powers down with you
hes thinking for towns best interests, if he was scum the ending part wouldn't be there. 1011 i think its townie because like, go back and read around that and my gravedigger claim was just buried in there, ssbm_kyouko and vfp were having their chat around that time.. i think scum would easily just.. not talk in chat about it and let them flood it down even more so that its harder to find? 1084 likey thought process.
Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:11 pm
by imaginality
Talking of #703, I think Something_Smart, VFP, Cupcake are currently not voting and the current vote count is: