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In post 686, clidd wrote:@Flea

I initially agreed with a wagon on it, but Chara became slightly more towny over time.

Not to the point of townlean, of course, but to the point of getting out of any scumlean and, at the very least, going into null-town or some variation of that kind.

But there wasn't exactly a reassessment by the players who are in the wagon, probably due to lack of time, disinterest or a different conclusion about Chara's posting (which probably involves past experience/expectation/knowledge of it's scumgame and etc.)

I don't think Chara is being pushed in bad faith. Seems like an ''ok''/not suggestive wagon.

In post 700, Ircher wrote:

In post 672, clidd wrote:Ircher, do you have any takes on the players so far?

I don't remember you expressing your impressions yet.

Not really. I'm trying something a bit different this game; a bit more of an advisory role so to speak.

In post 714, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I mean don't you townread me independently of what the NPA says?

I am very townie

In post 719, Robert M Hunter wrote:

In post 516, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 505, Robert M Hunter wrote:I see people what to eliminate me on day 1 again. I take that to mean I'm right about Tanner being scum.

Why would that mean your read is correct?

The scum want to kill me.

In post 720, Robert M Hunter wrote:

In post 519, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Robert, you clearly knew who Datisi was, or thought they were a person in the game.
So why are you now changing your story by acting like you don't even know who they are?

Someone named Datisi in a post and I thought that was a player in the game, I don't know how you compute that I "knew who Datisi was" as in it's an alt of another player in the game.

Also you're scum.

In post 724, Robert M Hunter wrote:

In post 551, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Unless Robert comes back and blows my socks off with an epic comeback i’m just going to assume he’s frozen scum as Tanner suggests.

I have never blown anyone's socks off so brace yourself for disappointment.

I see the scum are circling the easy player to eliminate.

In post 725, Robert M Hunter wrote:

In post 631, Chara wrote:i know i've been phoning it in a little, but i really don't like that i'm a wagon here. Pooky's vote is the one that stands out the most as actually bad.

Imagine how I feel.

In post 727, Robert M Hunter wrote:

In post 693, clidd wrote:On the other hand, in a townflip, my paranoia would rise significantly. I would have to re-evaluate all my reads according to the specs of the interactions that occurred around the wagon prior to the elim.

Once again my only utility in a game is going to be day 1 elimination fodder. I guess that's going to be my niche?

In post 734, Robert M Hunter wrote:

In post 732, Ircher wrote:@Robert: You spent a lot of posts catching up to say very little of substance. Who of the people pushing you do you think is scum?

The constant refrains about my imminent replacement and how I'm scum for not knowing all your little pet names and alt accounts is very irritating after a long day at work.

Why should I invest time making cases that will convince no one because you all want to kill me right now?

In post 738, Robert M Hunter wrote:I'm actually more suspicious of the players defending me, because it's blatantly obvious that I won't survive into the night to use my power, and it's very safe for them to say I'm town when they know I'm town.

I feel shitting scum reading the only players that read me correctly, so I'm very conflicted.

Anyway, if I could be a ghost after I get eliminated, that's where I'd look. The players that defended me.

In post 740, Infinity 324 wrote:Robert is pretty obvtown

In post 756, Yin wrote:

In post 572, Flea The Magician wrote:

@Yin

Are Chara or Norwee aligned against the town?

The Holy Lance is the name of the artefact that pierced the side of Jesus Christ.

In post 775, Morning Tweet wrote:VOTE: Nakata

In post 777, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What if we have a

DEEPWOLF

(Stares intently at some particular users)

In post 779, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 777, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What if we have a

DEEPWOLF

(Stares intently at some particular users)

bahhh How deep can a wolf possibly get during the first half of d1

i hav high hopes for this game

Robert tanner clidd townbloc go

im entertaining adding infini andor amy

edajjmndj gka

In post 796, Tanner wrote:

In post 705, Amy Dunne wrote:

In post 552, Tanner wrote:pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.

That would be really helpful.

debatable. second-hand meta usually just makes me tunnel what i already think. and you'd think that would stop me from saying "i should do meta research" but it does not.

do you plan on linking that "slip" from tse?

In post 769, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Tanner i’m very interested in your response now.

here's a take - i see absolutely nothing town-indicative in what robert has posted in his return.

upon getting back, he started getting pissy, doing the most surface-level omgus. he repeated not once, not twice, but three times that he's mad he's being wagoned for "not knowing alt accounts". i explicitly said that i don't give a shit he didn't know who i am - my problem is that his original attack on me and his reaction upon learning about the alt both reek of scum. his original points on me were garbage, and he has showed no re-evaluation of my slot upon learning the new info. even now! he chose to completely ignore me and what i'm saying (and why i'm voting him) and instead just go omgus someone else. you'd think town!him would, i don't know, at least *address* his read on me (you know, the thing that got him into this mess in the first place) by this point?

why the hell are people reading him as town? because he got mad? like, ircher called him out, he wasn't doing jack shit other than being mad and insisting he's being wagoned for not knowing alts. that's not town-indicative behaviour. and the "it's obvious i won't make it to night so people defending me are suspicious" like, you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?

In post 799, clidd wrote:But the AtE, followed by the erratic order of interactions, the stubbornness in reaffirming the victim's position at all times and also the lack of satisfactory answers to the questions raised suggest an unplanned course of action, that is, with a lack of scum motivation.

In post 801, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata doesn’t think that Robert is town for turning up and posting. Nakata thinks that he may be scum who’s buddies told him he needed to do more. Nakata dislikes the votes on him and thinks there’s scum in them.

In post 802, Satoru Nakata wrote:

In post 775, Morning Tweet wrote:VOTE: Nakata

In post 776, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 746, Robert M Hunter wrote:Here's a read, clidd is scum who refuses to give up on an easy elimination that looks like it could come to fruition soon.

clidd was like your most vocal defender though?

In post 778, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 741, Robert M Hunter wrote:Objectively there are no reasons to town read me that hold water.

But then, the reasons to scum read me seem very opportunistic. Why are players hung up scum-reading me into page 25 or so, because they pretend to be baffled that I didn't know that Datisi = Tanner? They are hanging on to this notion because they know I'm the easy player to eliminate because I work all day long and don't have the leisure to play all day and defend myself immediately, so that false accusations simmer.

so if the reasons to townread u are bad, and the reasons to scumread you are also bad

why are you suspecting either read over the other exactly?

Nakata thinks these posts are incongruent with Morning Tweet’s vote on him.

In post 779, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 777, NorwegianboyEE wrote:What if we have a

DEEPWOLF

(Stares intently at some particular users)

bahhh How deep can a wolf possibly get during the first half of d1

i hav high hopes for this game

Robert tanner clidd townbloc go

im entertaining adding infini andor amy

edajjmndj gka

Nakata doesn’t like that Morning Tweet is trying to force a townbloc so early into the game. Nakata thinks trying to create townblocs is scummy.

VOTE: Morning Tweet

In post 811, Satoru Nakata wrote:

In post 809, clidd wrote:@Nakata

Could you expand about your fos on Morning?

Clidd is in doubt about Nakata as he doesn't know if Nakata is a real friend, so he would like to understand what he's thinking. If Nakata could help Clidd, Clidd would be very grateful.

Nakata appreciates that Clidd is emulating his manner of speaking, but Nakata would like to inform friend Clidd that this is not necessary for communication -- Nakata is very able to get by with others speaking in their normal style, although if friend Clidd would wish to continue to speak in the third person when communicating with Nakata, Nakata has no problem with this either.

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet continuing to interrogate Robert in the manner of 776 and 778 means that Morning Tweet is presenting as being unsure of his alignment, yet Morning Tweet is also voting Nakata for thinking that Robert is scummy/applying pressure there. Nakata thinks Morning Tweet's vote doesn't seem to follow what she's thinking, and that her vote is opportunistic.

In post 819, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I can't read crazy people

In post 839, NorwegianboyEE wrote:My room is so hot. I’m dying.
Norwegians weren’t meant to endure heat waves.
Urghhhhhh

In post 846, Amy Dunne wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35622


This is scum!Robert being run up. His reaction is completely different wouldn’t you say?

In post 851, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata doesn’t understand why his wagon exists, Nakata doesn’t think he’s done anything scummy or noteworthy of being top wagon and thinks that this means that his wagon is likely being propped up by opportunistic scum.

In post 852, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata is very doubtful that 5 town players would all think he is the scummiest slot in the game here.

In post 858, Ircher wrote:No. A wagon is not an indicator of alignment, and we still have >4 days left.

In post 862, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Better to end the day comfortably with some time left than to rush an shitty elimination because deadline is creeping up and making everyone stressed.

In post 863, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Not saying to end it now. But holding back progress because there’s still X days left is an lame excuse.

In post 866, Satoru Nakata wrote:

In post 864, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 859, Robert M Hunter wrote:

In post 849, Satoru Nakata wrote:townbloccing is different to trying to force a townbloc

How can you reliably tell those apart?

Nakata thinks the way that Morning Tweet was talking “let’s form a townbloc/X can be in the townbloc/maybe Y can be in the townbloc” is forcing it to form and that they’re much better when left unspoken to form naturally from aligned reads. This is a big part of why Nakata thinks Morning Tweet is scummy.

In post 867, Satoru Nakata wrote:

In post 857, NorwegianboyEE wrote:

In post 856, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks that Amy Dunne or Morning Tweet would be better options for today, although he supposed he would vote Infinity 324 if needed.

If one of those mentioned already has votes wouldn't it by all definitions be an better vote?

Nakata thinks Infinity 324 will be easier to sort later and that for now Amy Dunne and Morning Tweet are scummier than her because they’re playing with more agenda, and not just opportunism.

In post 868, Tanner wrote:for the record - i still would prefer to yeet robert. but i see everyone is going by the "he came back and *gasp* made posts and showed emotion, obviously town!!" logic, so.

i'm back to thinking amy is on the scummier side of things. i don't know why, but some of her recent posting feels like she's not happy to be here. (before you ask why i voted infinity - because i'm not townreading her either and there was already a vote on her.)

however, while i was starting to feel better feelings about nakata, 866 feels slightly off to me, specifically the last line. like, i get the idea behind "forcing townbloccs is +scum behaviour", but, that's a *big* part for why you're voting your preferred scumread? i dunno.

tl;dr, reads probably being trash.