Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Klick]

Could we have the scum PTs?

[mastina]

Why didn't you shoot Klick? Instead you shot my last miselimination....

Shooting Klick was your job, Titus.

Klick was confirmed as not a wolf, so FL didn't need to shoot there.

[Cephrir]

You can have them soon! Bug me again if they're not up by monday morning

[Cephrir]

Mafia
Wolves

[Gamma Emerald]

I just realized how clever “Silversmith” is as wolf-FN

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I think the inversion clause mastina uses to argue she never fake claims isn’t a sound concept. I’ll concede claiming exact role as scum can be a bad move but omission is just as fair game as inversion, but mastina exclusively opts for inversion rather than omission.

[tictac]

shoulda claimed loathed like a50 claimed venge that one game. noone wanna yeet yeetable roles.

Ehh nvm that’s probably not that solid now that I’m looking

yeaas. crappy meta-tell BROKEN.

[mastina]

Seriously, why couldn't he just have shot Klick and not the actual miselimination....why were his kills so asinine?

His kills were forwarding the mafia wincon, not the wolf wincon.

The wolves needed Menalque alive; FL did not.
The wolves needed Klick dead; FL did not. (Klick was defending FL every day phase.)

Before that, the mafia shot a wildcard of a PR, a kill both teams wanted.
Before that, the mafia shot the town's strongest PR, a kill that was foiled by another town PR. Said kill was incredibly pro-mafia with either outcome, even if the bodyguard made it not be pro-wolf.

The mafia kill on me was a combination of getting rid of negative utility to both factions, and to set up a gambit which almost worked (and only didn't because the wolves killed both remaining mafia--keep in mind the mafia never got eliminated this game at all so the mafia were very much in control in terms of dayplay).

The mafia kill on catboi was a N1 kill; for it being a N1 kill, it was a good shot.

So all of the mafia kills fit from the perspective of the mafia as furthering the mafia wincon.

[tictac]

u guys killed Keeper and ydr, so lol.

agree that killing klick that last night woulda been anti maf wincon just like it woulda been anti wolf-win.
also that u were strong in dayplay, tho klick turned on leaf day 6.

i think if we didn't get unlucky hitting butters this turns out different.
same if ench didn't hit the supersaint u guys woulda been set.
such is life tho.

[DkKoba]

u guys killed Keeper and ydr, so lol.

agree that killing klick that last night woulda been anti maf wincon just like it woulda been anti wolf-win.
also that u were strong in dayplay, tho klick turned on leaf day 6.

i think if we didn't get unlucky hitting butters this turns out different.
same if ench didn't hit the supersaint u guys woulda been set.
such is life tho.

wolf night actions were way off this game beyond just that, already mentioned it, but killing me is an extreme blunder. not killing FL n1/n2 is another blunder.

[Gamma Emerald]

We left FL alive since there was substantial opposition to him just because he’d been annoying earlier

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

FL is pretty good at scumhunting the other team, should've shot him as soon as possible. for example see Catboi.

[DkKoba]

We left FL alive since there was substantial opposition to him just because he’d been annoying earlier

and yet just because a player is getting pushed doesnt mean its the best option to keep alive, especially when combined with me there was 0 thread pull to kill them.

[DkKoba]

there are many options that open up once FL dies

leaving loud players alive that arent going to 100% push your wincon is asking for trouble.

[Gamma Emerald]

The goal was to leave town divided and bickering

[DkKoba]

and yet who won

[DkKoba]

thread apathy > active talking

[Gamma Emerald]

Until replacements happen lmao
Thread apathy/aiming for scum control of thread atmosphere was the way my team played LN230 and the minute a town replacement bothered to start piecing things together we crumbled.

[DkKoba]

replacments will fuck you up whether or not town are fighting eachother. see: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89465

[tictac]

for example see Catboi.

alas, we forgot about out daykill

[tictac]

leaving loud players alive that arent going to 100% push your wincon is asking for trouble.

u aware that u loud & had good wolf-reads rite?

[DkKoba]

leaving loud players alive that arent going to 100% push your wincon is asking for trouble.

u aware that u loud & had good wolf-reads rite?

my primary wolf FOS was ... menalque lmao

[mastina]

u guys killed Keeper and ydr, so lol.

Neither was a bad kill tho.

Both were, explicitly, TPRs.

Ydrasse's claim was obviously not to be taken at face value, but that made her more of a threat, not less of one, since we thought that she was a JOAT. (Right idea, wrong player; there was in fact a player who claimed a role D2 that was a JOAT. We thought it was Ydrasse, it was actually the MathBlade slot, but if you think that the shot on Ydrasse was bad, that we were

right

about there being a JOAT having claimed one power used on D2 proves that we weren't wrong in theory, we just targeted the wrong one. Basically, Mathblade's slot is proof that the Ydrasse shot was not a bad one because you couldn't possibly argue it was a bad shot if on D2 we hit the JOAT which was town's strongest PR. And we were attempting to hit the JOAT when killing Ydrasse.)

[tictac]

my primary wolf FOS was ... menalque lmao

unlike leaf?

[tictac]

you couldn't possibly argue

i think i'm going thru argument-withdrawal actually.
imma just quote from wolf-den

i don't think she lolclaims unless she wants 2 get ded.
don't feel strongly about it tho as long as we not killin monks/masons.

i don't think she lolclaims unless she wants 2 get ded.
don't feel strongly about it tho as long as we not killin monks/masons.