Finally! Some of this reasoning kinda sucks, but it's late and I don't really care.
Town
Empking- had a couple of interesting reaction tests early in the game.
Hoppster- Kcd thought there was some special mechanic that helped scum fakeclaim. I don't see him saying that as mafia.
Foolish Fool- possibly for no other reason than actually making sense.
Lady Lambadelta- Bomber was a town sort of obnoxious.
projectmatt- He's trying.
David Xanatos- because he didn't answer the questions. That's not scum blending in.
bvoigt
Xeras- I really don't like this quote. Wouldn't town be trying to vote scum, and thus not have to worry about being on a town wagon?
↑Xeras wrote:One of the easiest ways to avoid suspicion on day two is to be sure you are not on a bandwagon that includes a lynched townie. ^^
Otolia- His latest post just screams, "I'm willing to jump a bandwagon. Give me a reason why."
Secret Project- rolefished, but otherwise I'm not totally convinced. Hopefully watching him in "real-time" will provide a better read.
redFF- Actually I'll ISO him in the morning.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:44 pm
by bvoigt
VOTE: Otolia for now. I know I thought red was scummy when I skimmed, but I'll need to analyze him more thoroughly.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:47 pm
by ObliviousDruidMuncher
Update tomorrow. I've been crazy busy lately. Sorry.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:46 pm
by David Xanatos
Posting to avoid prod. Got work in ~ 2 hours.. need to get ready.
Well Oversoul clearly has a decent reason to want us to be voting for lewarcher, unless he's trying some audacious bluff. That seems to be a more solid bet to be voting for somebody than arguing about it for 40 pages which will almost certainly end in most of us losing our temper.
It may well be scum driven for all I know, but I don't see a much better course of action for us to do now.
When did Oversoul become a paragon of towniness, or even a reliable scumhunter?
↑bvoigt wrote:VOTE: Otolia for now. I know I thought red was scummy when I skimmed, but I'll need to analyze him more thoroughly.
Otolia's content is thin, but I see your line of thought -- yours is the best case, and thus best vote, at this early point in the day.
VOTE: OTOLIA
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:20 pm
by fatlikepig
Vote: Otolia
Otolia wrote:Can we have more infos on this lewarcher wagon ? I am ready to vote for him even without infos since he is not playing anymore but Oversoul did let us know he had infos.
I think this post is just odd. It's like, "Hey, can I role/readfish first before I place my vote on lewarcher? Because, you know, I'm willing to do it anyway, but I'm not going to."
Why didn't you vote on him if you were ready and then hear the info? It's not like anything was barring you from doing that anyway.
I'd also like to note these three posts:
Otolia wrote:So you are basically saying that we need to dawn the game without us caring about who we lynch ?
I think it's fairly obvious that this is negatively worded. He's just replaced in (his replacement "howdy" post is on the same page), and he sees this post. So he responds to it. Then, theoretically, he sees that everyone's doing exactly that, so he comes up with:
Otolia wrote:I am not saying it's a bad idea, but I want to be sure it was his thought.
1. The way the question is worded carries these connotations. "Without caring about who we lynch"? Sounds very much like an accusation of being scummy to me.
2. It's fairly obvious that that was indeed his thought. The question looks like a poor attempt to cover his mistake up.
Otolia wrote: I would have propose it sooner or later anyway.
The idea of lynching Johhog to go to night had already been proposed anyway. This just sounds like an overcompensation for the mistake made earlier.
Otolia wrote:I'm ready to end the day but why first I need to do a small ISO of johnhog to see if it's that obvious.
This never happened.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:21 pm
by fatlikepig
EBWOP: Two posts. I had seen a third post that might have been of use, but I think it just reiterates things already stated.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:40 pm
by Otolia
So you all hates this game at a point you absolutely make no sense at all ? That's great, but let's review what Oversoul (who started the wagon on lewarcher) wrote.
- If the mafia did their part then we should do the same.
Seriously?
Wow, Empking. Wow.
Anyway, VOTE: Lewarcher/replacement
I'll divulge my reasons as to why later.
Gotta go for now.
I bolded the important part. I'm just waiting what is due. This post was the second after D2 dusk and he said no to a Lord Chronos wagon and jump on lewarcher instead. If there is reasons for that, I wanna know why. And please spare me the 'rolefishing is scum'-trope because you all know that's not true especially in a non-disclosed big normal game. And I never said I wanted him to post : " I am whatever-power-role-you-want-him-to-be. " That's what
YOU
want without having the courage to express it. Don't be cowards. I want the infos he promised. I don't like the idea of bandwagoning someone over small accusations just because someone said it. It's not D1 anymore and we are not that dumb, at least I know I'm not. However I never like flaker and that's why I'm ready to vote for any of them anytime of the day but that's my policy on it and it has nothing to do with alignment.
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fatlikepig wrote:
1. The way the question is worded carries these connotations. "Without caring about who we lynch"? Sounds very much like an accusation of being scummy to me.
2. It's fairly obvious that that was indeed his thought. The question looks like a poor attempt to cover
his mistake
up.
The idea of lynching Johhog to go to night had already been proposed anyway. This just sounds like an overcompensation for
the mistake
made earlier.
Otolia wrote:I'm ready to end the day but why first I need to do a small ISO of johnhog to see if it's that obvious.
This never happened.
I did the ISO for myself, and I didn't feel like posting them because it wouldn't have matters anyway. I'm not investigating someone so that you can see it ...
Otherwise, mistake ? Where is this 'mistake' ?
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:55 pm
by fatlikepig
Otolia wrote:I did the ISO for myself, and I didn't feel like posting them because it wouldn't have matters anyway.
Why not?
Otolia wrote: I'm not investigating someone so that you can see it ...
wut
Surely if you come to some sort of conclusion, then sharing it would be beneficial to the town? This seems very scummy.
Otolia wrote:Otherwise, mistake ? Where is this 'mistake' ?
When you posed your very negatively worded question at hoppster, then read back in the thread, and then realised that everyone was doing exactly what he did, and then proceeding to backflip completely on your original stance.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:05 pm
by Otolia
↑fatlikepig wrote:Surely if you come to some sort of conclusion, then sharing it would be beneficial to the town? This seems very scummy.
Otolia wrote:Otherwise, mistake ? Where is this 'mistake' ?
When you posed your very negatively worded question at hoppster, then read back in the thread, and then realised that everyone was doing exactly what he did, and then proceeding to backflip completely on your original stance.
What if I don't come to some kind of useful conclusion ? Do I post 'I don't think, he is scummy but you are all blind and should pay more attention to the game ?" and add to the 40 pages crap that has been written ? Hell no !
Negatively worded ? That what a rhetorical question. I never 'backflip' on that, we dawned the day without caring about Johnhog, it is exactly what we have done. I was expressing my reluctance to do that, and at the same time I acknowledged that it was the sole responsible thing to do. When you do an ISO, fatlikepig, you might as well do everything (especially when there is like 6 posts >.>)
↑Otolia wrote:It's sad to say things like this, but you have your responsibility in this. People flaked, you didn't but you player poorly enough to make people think you are scum. I don't think you are based on the last 10 pages but at this point we need to get going. Any D1 scumtell is now drawn into the abyss of flood. I'm sorry to say this but we need to move forward, and though you are a Night Vig, you wouldn't have fired on N1 so we need to keep you 2 days to see a good effect of your PR. I honestly don't want to look for another 'victim' today. Accept it with dignity and tell us your reads or just spare us the whining. That's pointless.
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:12 pm
by fatlikepig
Otolia wrote:I don't think you are based on the last 10 pages but at this point we need to get going. Any D1 scumtell is now drawn into the abyss of flood.
Evidently you made some sort of useful conclusion.
Why was it the sole responsible thing to do? You acknowledged that you thought he was probably town, and by logical extension, a vig. Isn't that irresponsible?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:06 am
by Foolish Fool
Otalia wrote:However I never like flaker and that's why I'm ready to vote for any of them anytime of the day but that's my policy on it and it has nothing to do with alignment.
That's always a horrid reason to vote for somebody, it usually ends with wasting an entire days opportunity to take out scum. Lynching a lurker can in fact be easily much worse than a regular town lynch.
Lets say the Lurker happens to be a town Power Role. If we run up that player when he's active, he will usually claim, which might well save us lynching that power role, maybe even lynching scum in his place if we're lucky. Sure he'd have outed himself as a PR, but that's much better than him being completely wiped from the game, which is what would almost certainly happen if the Power Role is a lurker, because he certainly won't be claiming.
I've never liked people who profess to policy-lynch lurkers, it seems like a massive excuse to try and get the town to waste a days lynch, it is almost always better to lynch scum based upon a reasoned argument and scummy behavior, even if it does cause some of us to lose our rags. Lurking is not scummy behavior, it is totally neutral.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:33 am
by bvoigt
After ISOing redFF, one thing I noticed was that his play has deteriorated as the game's gone along. He started off by answering the questions logically and actually using the shift key, and early in the game, had some decent analysis. But by the end of Day 1, he was posting one-liners in caps lock and obnoxious pictures. I'm not sure what this means exactly, though, because I could definitely see town just getting frustrated as the day went along.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:45 am
by mastin2
Oh, forgot to do this.
Vote: Secret Project
.
Should always get a vote out.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:57 am
by Empking
↑bvoigt wrote:After ISOing redFF, one thing I noticed was that his play has deteriorated as the game's gone along. He started off by answering the questions logically and actually using the shift key, and early in the game, had some decent analysis. But by the end of Day 1, he was posting one-liners in caps lock and obnoxious pictures. I'm not sure what this means exactly, though, because I could definitely see town just getting frustrated as the day went along.
It means he's probtown.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:06 am
by Foolish Fool
I can see anybody, Town, Scum, Third Party, Mod, Casual Reader, Illiterates, getting annoyed by the end of Day 1
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:11 am
by Empking
But only town would be open about it.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:14 am
by Otolia
↑Empking wrote:But only town would be open about it.
I don't agree. If you wish you could explain your reasoning to me.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:24 am
by Empking
Scum fear the lynch more than town.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:42 pm
by ObliviousDruidMuncher
Update tomorrow. Too tired to deal with all the people who haven't posted/annoying flakers and such right now after my cross country race.
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:09 pm
by Secret Project
Um ok. I guess what we'll do is start our reads over beginning with Day 2.
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:34 am
by Otolia
↑Secret Project wrote:Um ok. I guess what we'll do is start our reads over beginning with Day 2.
Or ... you could try to post something more useful than one-liners.
Empking wrote:Scum fear the lynch more than town.
Do you think that someone who is vocal about the state of the game is something waiting to be lynched. I don't see the relation between the two.
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:37 am
by Vifam
Posting. Catching up.
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:31 am
by ObliviousDruidMuncher
Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:36 am
by redFF
I don't get the lewarcher votes, could someone put up a case.
