Cyclic Experimentation Set x02 - [Game Over]

[MagnaofIllusion]

Pass / Not Passed List

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Passed an Ability

– MoI, Kdub, Toog (claims pass to Void), Junpei, chkflip, warriormode

Did not Pass an Ability

– Magister, Implosion, Fourseen, Projectmatt, Bunnylover, SlySly, RedCoyote, Ghostlin, PeregrineV

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I love the little Toog / RedCoyote / Ghoslin ‘circle the wagons’ posting we have been seeing.

I also like Ghostlin’s “Why you abandon Fourseen vote .. others not vote yet … you scum”. Trying to lynch yet another Town VI Ghostlin? Did your taste for Town blood not get satisfied with the terrible, terrible Furc lynch?

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Nah, way too arbitrary. All three players on the top part jumped off and on the wagon. You're singling out a specific time for no particular reason except to satisfy a confirmation bias.

Nope, but thanks for playing. My summaries presented here is based on significantly more than that. I do appreciate your need to discredit though.

Toogeloo is now a stable townread of mine, although I agree that it would've been nice to hear something more from whisper.

Junpei’s already covered this but I find it fascinating that you give a ‘Town’ read to player with Toog’s Day 1 play, who redirected a power to himself, and who shot Town (not good Town clearly, but not scum).

I have called you out here and here, but your insincere push of Ghostlin is putting me over the top.

Please solidify for the record – you have a solid Town read on obv-scum Ghost, right? I want you to firmly commit to a position.

Yeah, this is more well put together than I could've come up with. The biggest odd note in the post is definitely the fact that using abandoning the SB wagon as potential evidence of scumminess puts targets on MoI. He leaves himself off the list, but those who he puts on there are people he thought were scum before the day was over anyways. It's very dishonest.

Hmmm … so you ignore context also given that the Stringer wagon disintegrated due to his claim. Noted. Also – I love that you would expect anyone to consider themselves a suspect, Town or scum.

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There's a few things that are nagging me here, acutally. You see, I never voted for Stringer and rode Junpei erratically the beginning of the day and Furc throught the end of the day. Also, DGB, who is now dead would fit on his Temiati list. Also the person that advocated we jump off the Stringer list was MoI, and MoI's biggest...I'm going to use opposition here as the word is now dead. Also, Magna's the one who advocated we jump off the Stringer lynch in the first place.

If I didn't believe Mafia could have an orgy of evidence, I'd be voting MoI right now. I'm acutally going to do something smart here and wait for more information on the pass/did not pass lists to finish.

Now that I have time I can properly address all the scummy wonders I see here.

1. So you never voted a solid case on confirmed scum (Stringer), voted Junpei (counterwagon to confirmed Scum), and pushed Furc at deadline (Town). I’m glad you are honest it bothers you that your voting pattern is so scummy.
2. What does it matter that DGB would have fit the Temati list? Not everyone on my radar is scum. Some, like DGB, are going to be bad Town. Undermining with poor logic? Check.
3. Here’s the best part of this “MoI advocated we jump of Stringer scum”. I absolutely adore how cheekily scummy this is. First it ignores that I was THE driving force behind getting Stringer to where he was despite all the resistance. Second it tries to paint my stance that as holder of the Hiding power Stringer should have died today so the Hiding power (very Pro-Town power) could be passed from obv-scum and establish links as something scummy. Yup, scumtastic way to ignore the actual game Ghost.
4. Here’s another dandy – “MoI’s biggest ‘opposition’ is dead so he killed DGB’. Firstly pointless WIFOM NK discussion. Secondly DGB never called me scum … that was me calling her scum. Scummy twisting.
5. In an epic display of rashness tries to use the ‘jump of Stringer’ attack twice in the same post! Well done scum!

Scumtastic all the way around Ghostlin! Good show of being brash as outed scum!

My primary hurdle to saying MoI is scum is I'm having a huge critical problem believing he set all of the above up, and killed

DGB because she was onto him,

and then posted a list that's rather incrimatory of people 'going these people are scum+bad because SB was scum'.

Put up or shut up time Ghostlin – provided one quote from DGB to support the bolded assertion. Because I know you cannot.

Lying scum is lying. It’s so nice!

Then why aren't you voting him over it? If the case is bad and full of crap logic as you say, then shouldn't you be? Saying 'if our positions are reversed, you'd be voting me', acutally is a piece of strained reasoning without a vote.

Nice little scum response here … despite the fact we are in Day 2 of a large theme with multiple scum (like Ghostlin) floating around Junpei is scummy for voting for one suspect while attacking another.

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I'm liking the Magna hate, and will start a crusade against him if other people's feet are a bit too cold to get it going. Magna is being very manipulative with his posts, and I really, really, think Ghost is town. The fact that he was THIRD person on Stringer yesterday doesn't give him any cookies for Stringer actually flipping scum, especially since Stringer was completely abandoned eventually. I think players farming for attention elsewhere than Stringer are obviously worth attention, but gut hates Magna, and that's enough for me for now.

Vote: Magna

Of course you like the non-existent hate. I’m on to you.

Another example of the vague, tainted language attack of “his post have an undercurrent of manipulation”. It’s scummy of course because you can’t actually point to a single post and describe why it is scummy. Nope, just the classic old rhetoric.

And yes – my solid scum-hunting and pretty much Day-long push on scum Stringer means I get to call scummy people like you scum.

If someone comes to the conclusion that my actions are not possible for scum, and call me town of it, then that is his prerogative as well. It's not like Coyote is defending me. He is simply stating he has a town read on me.

Actually, RedCoyote’s little ‘Funny vote chkflip, where is your real one’ is absolutely a defense of you. Whether it comes from bad Town or chainsawing partner is left to be seen.

[The Eruci]

:: VoteCount 2x2 ::

FourseenCircumstance (2) -

RedCoyote, chkflip

Toogeloo (1) -

SlySly

Ghostlin (1) -

MagnaofIllusion

RedCoyote (1) -

FourseenCircumstance

MagnaofIllusion (1) -

Toogeloo

implosion (1) -

Junpei

Junpei (1) -

Ghostlin

warriormode (1) -

Magister Ludi

Not Voting (10) -

implosion, EtherealCookie, springlullaby, warriormode, Sinestro, PeregrineV, Kdub, projectmatt, Bunnylover, wazzatron

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is in (expired on 2011-11-28 21:41:47).

[implosion]

So, I'm skeptical of magna right now. I'll try to elaborate on it in a week after midterms, but in short:

He's still alive on day two

something about his scumhunting feels like it's just "going through the motions." It feels like he's just trying to find reasons to call people scummy without really trying to find who the scum are. Toog is kind of right there in that he feels a bit manipulative.

Magna: how surprised are you that DGB flipped town? Why do you think that anyone would kill DGB, who you were nearly guaranteed to push on today? And most importantly, why are you appealing to your own authority:

And yes – my solid scum-hunting and pretty much Day-long push on scum Stringer means I get to call scummy people like you scum.

After you also said things like this?

Lulz, Ghost ... do you seriously think I'm joking? DGB is obv-scum. Of course enough of you are dense that on the odd chance I live to Day 2 I'm going to have to go screaming All-CAPS to get her lynched.

I mean, sure, you caught scum. But how can you possibly say "one of my reads was right, therefore I have more authority to call someone scum than the average member of the populace?" You were also wrong about a read.

I kind of want to see where this will go. So:

VOTE: Magna

[MagnaofIllusion]

So let’s look at Toog’s play from Day 1, shall we

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Luckily lurker Toog’s ISO will be easy to review since it’s low on actual content posts.

I also typically give off a scummy vibe in my posts according to a lot of people I play with, apparently something about the way I talk. This is part of my real life personality probably because I don't typically think about feelings before I say something. I speak off the cuff. I don't build a case (right away), I give gut reactions to pretty much everything, sometimes without thinking it through. But this goes hand in hand with me being a good read of motivation.

As stated before – “I’m always scummy so you can’t suspect me”. Plus a little dash of “I go on gut without thinking, so don’t ask me to actually make cases or explin”. Not anything Town should bother saying.

I should also state that I am a bit of a loose canon in games of organization. I like to do my own thing, and find that a little chaos tends to monkey wrench (and make more interesting) the game a bit. The main reason for this is that scum are already informed, so I don't like to aid that in any way. Sometimes it's fruitless, but other times it has worked to my advantage.

As stated before –“ I’ll do what I want no matter how scummy or anti-Town it is.” Again, Town has no reason to specify that they are going to act this way in advance.

ISO 8-10

are an interesting little bit – a little bit of undermining where he tries to reference a past game where my ‘suspicion’ didn’t work out well for me as scum. Oops, except I wasn’t even in that game at all. It was Spyrex. Honest mistake, clearly MagnaofIlllusion and Spryrex are easy to mix up.+

yes.

... I mean no.

wait...

Is this a trick question?

Classic ‘joking’ response to being directly asked about being scum. WIFOM ahoy .. no scum would ever joke and say they were scum.

Junpei and Ludi were the first two names that came to town about discussion of current lynch prospects. I hadn't even realized Stringer had as many votes as he has akrewed.

Yeah, Bunny isn't getting the love I want her to get.

Unvote;
Vote: nopoint

The first part is a response to me as to why he didn’t list Stringer as a current lynch prospect when he was the leading wagon. Note he ‘didn’t know’ Stringer was under pressure. Doesn’t make any comment about whether he thinks said pressure is Good / Bad / Indifferent.

Then he votes NoPoint (Town, as we know) for Gut. Yup, one of the direct counterwagons to Scum Stringer at that stage.

I'm pretty sure I gave just as much reasoning for either of you to possibly be scum.

I think I said you I felt you had underlying motives in your posts, and that I didn't like nopoint because he likes Bunny.

Here he clarifies – he voted for NoPoint because NoPoint had a Town read on Bunny. Yet didn’t we just see this in regards to Townreads –

Shooting nopoint and then lynching Stringer would give us a ton of discussion for tomorrow.

Here he wants Town shot and only wants to lynch Stringer ‘for information’. Not because he is scum. Nice safe way to advocate for when Stringer actually does flip but without actually having to push or support it. Nice touch.

This sounds like a scum ability in my opinion as it allows for scum to circumvent the poisoning and keep an ability on themselves for 2 Nights.

Nice little scummy attack here on NoPoint’s claim – the set-up specifically has no inherent ‘scum or Town’ abilities. Yet here he intimates NoPoint is scum for having an ability.

Vote: Furculow

Least liked person on the previous nopoint wagon.

And this is what we get after NoPoint flips Town. He votes the easy target (VI) because Furc was on a bad wagon … the same wagon Toog himself was supporting. Hypocricy away!!!!

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Overall Toog’s Day 1 is fairly scummy. Pushes on Bunnylover (traditionally weak player) and two Town. Ignores Stringer (confirmed Scum) more or less completely and does some MAJOR buddying to DGB. And has lots of fluff and a nice smattering of scummy little post.

I’d certainly support Toog today. He’s not as outright scummy as Ghostlin but is a strong second tier.

@Toog

- What happened to that Bunnylover strong suspicion from Day 1? Forget it completely? What did Bunny do that makes him Town now?

[Junpei]

Implosion: NO

You do not "see where this goes", I want you to tell me who scum IS. I want you to tell me who you have solid scum reads on, no more of this "I'll feel out the waters" foolishness.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So, I'm skeptical of magna right now. I'll try to elaborate on it in a week after midterms, but in short: He's still alive on day two something about his scumhunting feels like it's just "going through the motions." It feels like he's just trying to find reasons to call people scummy without really trying to find who the scum are. Toog is kind of right there in that he feels a bit manipulative.

Yep, I’m certainly not trying to find and hang scum. And my scum-hunting on Stringer is further indication that your theory is correct …

Magna: how surprised are you that DGB flipped town? Why do you think that anyone would kill DGB, who you were nearly guaranteed to push on today? And most importantly, why are you appealing to your own authority:

Very surprised. Given how terrible her reads were (NoPoint and Furc are scum – called Stringer Town who I thought was pretty clearly scum), the manner in which she pushed said reads (basically nothing) and how she immediately distanced from both NoPoint and Furc before the Mod post screamed scum.

Because they wanted to kill her? I have no clue. She looked like obv-scum who needed to be lynched at the end of Day1 to me. Only read I’ve been wrong on so far (that is publicly known, anyway).

Appealing to my own authority? Generic Wikitell away!!! Seriously – I was fucking right about Stringer and I’m going to find the partners who made the lynch difficult. Does that frighten you?

I kind of want to see where this will go

Just like you wanted to see where you vote would go on Town NoPoint?

And no response to Junpei’s case on you? Hmmmm …

[Junpei]

MoI, I will say now that you catching Stringer means almost nothing to me as far as your ability to catch scum go. Andrew94 is bad at mafia, and he got nominated to win an award for his ability to catch scum. He's awful; I honestly don't know what they were thinking, but he got lucky, and bottom line is that just because you caught one guy doesn't mean I'm about to trust you to catch the rest.

But yes, the DGB kill analysis implosion is using is awful. Honestly for all we know it wasn't even scum that killed her; or if it was then perhaps it was done solely to throw us off the mark. There are many possibilities.

[implosion]

Appealing to my own authority? Generic Wikitell away!!! Seriously – I was fucking right about Stringer and I’m going to find the partners who made the lynch difficult. Does that frighten you?

So being right about one person as scum gives you more authority on your own reads? No. If DGB were still alive, you could use that exact same reasoning to push for her lynch. It's flawed reasoning.

Just like you wanted to see where you vote would go on Town NoPoint?

And no response to Junpei’s case on you? Hmmmm …

I thought nopoint was scum.
I didn't see junpei's case, ISO AWAY

You do not "see where this goes", I want you to tell me who scum IS. I want you to tell me who you have solid scum reads on, no more of this "I'll feel out the waters" foolishness.

Solid scumreads... don't you think i'd give them if i had them?

So, basically: no. The solidity of my reads should and will get stronger over time, especially once I have time to look more at this. Midterms are in a week. After that, it's thanksgiving break, and then around a month of life being much easier.

[Ghostlin]

I can tell Magna didn't read all of the posts, otherwise he would of seen the trope information for Orgy of Evidence, including the parts in the same goddamn post where I say it's unlikely he's scum. What's he do? Go for as many misreps as possible. Also, unlike Implosion/Toog, I'm not voting for you, and haven't acutally --called-- you scum.

But continue to cater to trying to score points by dinging into something I said looked pretty damn suspicious that you'd do.

[implosion]

Alright, FC is hiding behind VI, so lets get another scum: Implosion

1) Implosions' plan is very formal and very bad. Needless to say his ability claim idea is subpar to the original plan that was used on x01. Now, this post gives me the impression that we are dealing with an analytical and intelligent player. But, his later posts do not give me those vibes. This worries me because I feel like he could not be doing as well as he normally would be. I think that as scum, a strong town player may start off well (pregame, it is easy to set yourself up to look like town), but when you're in the thick of things, you have to adjust your whole mindset, and I don't think Implosion is doing that well.

It is very formal. I wanted discussion of it to start. It might be subpar, but it's basically what I recollected of the plan without going back to look. I was analytical and intelligent because there was nothing posted. I

will

pretty much always fall behind in large games, but I'll also eventually catch up. I fall behind in almost all of my games at one point or another. The rate of growth of large games means that I just don't have the time to analytically examine everything. The "thick of things" is hard for me to deal with in a way, and also somewhat psychologically deterring to me. It's jus a mass of stuff to look at.

2) By his 6th post, he has already completely dropped his plan, and is now very much advocating for MoI's plan. This is the first time since post 0 he has even mentioned the plan, and has posted nothing but IIoA since. In fact, his ISO is essentially summarized in this: IIoA, declarations, and poor reads. I don't mean I disagree with his reads... but lets look at some examples:

Yes. I did advocate for MoI's plan. Good observation. Informative. Care to analyze it?

see what i did there?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3555737
For the first time he is asked to elaborate on his reads. His warrior read is now being waffled on. His ML read is (and he makes this quite clear) PURE gut.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3555741
As an extension to the last post, he wasn't calling nopoint scummy, rather he'd simply support a wagon on him.

No other reads are explained. Implosion just comes out of the blue with 'reads' and can't be bothered to actually actively scumhunt, rather decides to IIoA. Oh, there's the 'fourseen case', but that's just a regurgitation of what was already said.

See the first paragraph i typed, and the last paragraph of my post above this.

[Ghostlin]

MoI, I will say now that you catching Stringer means almost nothing to me as far as your ability to catch scum go

I can tell you now that while Magna may be town, he couldn't find scum with a Cop role and a map to guide him.

[implosion]

also, saying that my mini-case on fourseen was regurgitation of what had already been said is a misrepresentation.

please point out what posts i was regurgitating.

hint: i typed that post without referencing any other posts on fourseen

[Ghostlin]

I also like Ghostlin%u2019s %u201CWhy you abandon Fourseen vote .. others not vote yet %u2026 you scum%u201D. Trying to lynch yet another Town VI Ghostlin? Did your taste for Town blood not get satisfied with the terrible, terrible Furc lynch?

So Junpei's a VI? Damn, considering his posting style (complete sentences, somewhat good reasoning on the implosion case, somewhat decent if wobbly reasoning), I wouldn't call him a VI at all...since exactly what I'm doing there is accusing Junpei of the cognitive dissonance of jumping off a wagon he'd said he'd ride the end of Day 1.

[Ghostlin]

Now that I have time I can properly address all the scummy wonders I see here.

1. So you never voted a solid case on confirmed scum (Stringer), voted Junpei (counterwagon to confirmed Scum), and pushed Furc at deadline (Town). I%u2019m glad you are honest it bothers you that your voting pattern is so scummy.
2. What does it matter that DGB would have fit the Temati list? Not everyone on my radar is scum. Some, like DGB, are going to be bad Town. Undermining with poor logic? Check.
3. Here%u2019s the best part of this %u201CMoI advocated we jump of Stringer scum%u201D. I absolutely adore how cheekily scummy this is. First it ignores that I was THE driving force behind getting Stringer to where he was despite all the resistance. Second it tries to paint my stance that as holder of the Hiding power Stringer should have died today so the Hiding power (very Pro-Town power) could be passed from obv-scum and establish links as something scummy. Yup, scumtastic way to ignore the actual game Ghost.
4. Here%u2019s another dandy %u2013 %u201CMoI%u2019s biggest %u2018opposition%u2019 is dead so he killed DGB%u2019. Firstly pointless WIFOM NK discussion. Secondly DGB never called me scum %u2026 that was me calling her scum. Scummy twisting.
5. In an epic display of rashness tries to use the %u2018jump of Stringer%u2019 attack twice in the same post! Well done scum!

Scumtastic all the way around Ghostlin! Good show of being brash as outed scum

1) I doubt sincerely the 7-10 people you've called out today are all scum, MoI. To the point that you've called most of the people who didn't agree with the Stringer lynch, irregardless of their other actions, or motivations, out. For a guy who likes posting the phrase 'where's the scum motivation' a lot, you acutally don't bother to dig for it and go into a VCA orgy.
2) Funny, you're sure acting accordingly. In fact, you were going to be screaming for DGB's lynch today, except she's sadly deceased. And Town.
3) You were the third vote on the wagon. Stop pretending you were it's archtect, and everyone jumped off to preserve a PR at your behest. In fact EC (who?) and RC were on the wagon before you according to the vote count. Yes, you may have said the most words, but you weren't the only one who found SB scummy, and if you found SB's wagon the least credible of scum, I think you're smart enough to jump that wagon's bones. (Also, scum creating wagons on each other DOES happen.)
4-5) Really are rhetoric, really aren't revelant and really show you didn't do your homework. Since you won't follow links, go to tvtropes.org, type in the words 'orgy of evidence' and look at the entry.

Honestly, I don't think you're scum mostly because everything last night wants me to believe you're scum, along with SB's ability going to the Void and DGB's flip. Think that's some super scummy WIFOM? Don't give a shit. I'm going to go back to ignoring your screaming about how I'm scum.

[Junpei]

Implosion, not having reads is not okay. I understand you have midterms, but the idea that 1200 posts in, all you can say is "meh, I'll see where this goes" as your primary vote is ridiculous. Also it doesn't matter if you claim not to have referenced any other posts on Fourseen, the fact remains that you hardly brought a new case to the table.

[Ghostlin]

In response to this
First paragraph is ridiculous. Who votes who is more important than the reasoning and thought behind it? I see we have a fundamental disagreement...

So he is scummy for agreeing with Implosions' case? I don't see it as forced really, I mean, you are stretching things way out of proportion it would seem. The fact he didn't comment on MoI's plan isn't reason to vote him, which seems to be the nail in his coffin for you.

You saying that Fourseen was a planned counterwagon to Warrior is RIDICULOUS. That would mean that scum would have had to know that Fourseen was going to do that, in otherwords they planned. The only way they could have done this is if they i) have daytalk and ii) Fourseen is scum, in which case your argument makes no sense. No, it is just that fourseen is very scummy and we decided to vote him instead of someone else of whom no one on the wagon up to this point has been able to articulate their reasons for voting.

You're going to have to link MoI's posts when talking about that, because I simply cannot follow that without links.

MoI would have posted that plan regardless of his alignment, so don't factor that in.

pedit: scum don't bus Ludi? Or perhaps a better question is, scum don't vote other scum Ludi? Or perhaps a better question is, should I always make decisions and reads based on my other reads early in the game Ludi?

As a quick aside, I now am chuckling on the inside at the number of people determining if other people have scum motive and intent; based on their actions, like who they voted for, and what they did, rather than the rhetoric that often accompanies these actions.

I remember people criticizing me for holding this view earlier on day one, and I now feel vindicated. However, there may have been a scum hiding in that popular opinion looking to take a potshot at me, so i'll go back and review which people agreed with prevailing opinion based on nothing, really.

What's this gotta do with the price of tea in China, or your stance on Warriormode?

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, I will say now that you catching Stringer means almost nothing to me as far as your ability to catch scum go. Andrew94 is bad at mafia, and he got nominated to win an award for his ability to catch scum. He's awful; I honestly don't know what they were thinking, but he got lucky, and bottom line is that just because you caught one guy doesn't mean I'm about to trust you to catch the rest.

Bully for you. Meanwhile I do care more about my scum-hunting than yours. Funny how that works. Everyone believes in themselves (generally, there are exceptions) more than others.

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So being right about one person as scum gives you more authority on your own reads? No. If DGB were still alive, you could use that exact same reasoning to push for her lynch. It's flawed reasoning.

I was right on more than just Stringer. I read both NoPoint and Furc correctly as Town. And I'm as positive as I can get that I'm right on Ghostlin also.

If you want to argue that scum partners to Stringer aren’t going to be found on the NoPoint / Junpei wagons please continue. You’d be dead wrong, but please continue.

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I can tell Magna didn't read all of the posts, otherwise he would of seen the trope information for Orgy of Evidence, including the parts in the same goddamn post where I say it's unlikely he's scum. What's he do? Go for as many misreps as possible. Also, unlike Implosion/Toog, I'm not voting for you, and haven't acutally --called-- you scum.

Oh, I read your posts. I just don’t really care about some link you found on TVTropes. I can find posts all over the Internet … none of which matter to the fact at hand … you are trying to avoid the content of my posts showing your scummy play and instead are attacking secondary issues like I have lots of examples (which, ironically, is more reason you are scum not less).

Why does you not calling me scum mean I shouldn’t think you are? Please clue me in to that theory champ!

No response on finding a DGB quote calling me scum? Ding … lying scum caught lying!

I can tell you now that while Magna may be town, he couldn't find scum with a Cop role and a map to guide him.

Lulz. Yup … I caught Stringer and you pushed on Town and I’m the one who couldn’t find scum with a Cop Role and map.

You are terrible when you are outed scum, you know that Ghostlin.

So Junpei's a VI? Damn, considering his posting style (complete sentences, somewhat good reasoning on the implosion case, somewhat decent if wobbly reasoning), I wouldn't call him a VI at all...since exactly what I'm doing there is accusing Junpei of the cognitive dissonance of jumping off a wagon he'd said he'd ride the end of Day 1.

Lulz, again. Your reading skills are clearly impaired when you are angry about being yet again caught.

Fourseen is the VI. The point of the comment was that you attacked Junpei for not going after VI Fourseen again today.

Are you actually going to show where the claimed misreps are or have you given up?

[Ghostlin]

Lulz. Yup %u2026 I caught Stringer and you pushed on Town and I%u2019m the one who couldn%u2019t find scum with a Cop Role and map.

You are terrible when you are outed scum, you know that Ghostlin.

Bored of the 'I found Stringer so I'm obvious town' argument. It's a fallacy. You're good enough to

know

it's a pile of shit fallacy to the point I'm wondering if you're doing this as parody of acutal Town scumhunting or you're trying to channel someone like Fate. If you're scum...well, finding Stringer isn't hard, and if you're town, every player, including vezok, chesskid, and werewolf have been right at least ONCE in their careers.

[implosion]

I was right on more than just Stringer. I read both NoPoint and Furc correctly as Town. And I'm as positive as I can get that I'm right on Ghostlin also.

If you want to argue that scum partners to Stringer aren’t going to be found on the NoPoint / Junpei wagons please continue. You’d be dead wrong, but please continue.

Where... did... i say anything even vaguely like that second line.

You're basically committing 7for7. Which is fallacious. You were goddamn positive on dgb... and you were wrong. You seem to be implying the following statement:

the fact that I have had a good track record so far this game means that my reads are good.

which is basically 7for7.

Implosion, not having reads is not okay. I understand you have midterms, but the idea that 1200 posts in, all you can say is "meh, I'll see where this goes" as your primary vote is ridiculous. Also it doesn't matter if you claim not to have referenced any other posts on Fourseen, the fact remains that you hardly brought a new case to the table.

...hardly brought a new case to the table.

The majority of my case was original.

1200 posts... you're right. I probably should have better reads. Alas, I don't. Sue me.

[implosion]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=7for7

[Ghostlin]

Oh, I read your posts. I just don%u2019t really care about some link you found on TVTropes. I can find posts all over the Internet %u2026 none of which matter to the fact at hand %u2026 you are trying to avoid the content of my posts showing your scummy play and instead are attacking secondary issues like I have lots of examples (which, ironically, is more reason you are scum not less).

Why does you not calling me scum mean I shouldn%u2019t think you are? Please clue me in to that theory champ!

You really should learn to read things outside of mafiascum. You occassionally learn things. Quoting from TV tropes, I'll go slow since you're new at this:

A common tactic for fictional criminals (especially murderers) is to plant false clues at the scene of their crime: either to deliberately frame someone else or merely to throw suspicion away from themselves. Sometimes, however, they take things too far and the sheer amount of clues they plant has the opposite effect. No detective will believe that any criminal could be so careless as to leave that much incriminating evidence behind.

I don't think you're that dumb to have muitiple incidents of the night actions point straight at you. If you feel, however, you ARE THAT DUMB, be sure to let me know, because the last few posts have shaken my asserion in this manner.

[MagnaofIllusion]

1) I doubt sincerely the 7-10 people you've called out today are all scum, MoI. To the point that you've called most of the people who didn't agree with the Stringer lynch, irregardless of their other actions, or motivations, out. For a guy who likes posting the phrase 'where's the scum motivation' a lot, you acutally don't bother to dig for it and go into a VCA orgy.
2) Funny, you're sure acting accordingly. In fact, you were going to be screaming for DGB's lynch today, except she's sadly deceased. And Town.
3) You were the third vote on the wagon. Stop pretending you were it's archtect, and everyone jumped off to preserve a PR at your behest. In fact EC (who?) and RC were on the wagon before you according to the vote count. Yes, you may have said the most words, but you weren't the only one who found SB scummy, and if you found SB's wagon the least credible of scum, I think you're smart enough to jump that wagon's bones. (Also, scum creating wagons on each other DOES happen.)
4-5) Really are rhetoric, really aren't revelant and really show you didn't do your homework. Since you won't follow links, go to tvtropes.org, type in the words 'orgy of evidence' and look at the entry.

Honestly,

I don't think you're scum mostly because everything last night wants me to believe you're scum, along with SB's ability going to the Void and DGB's flip.

Think that's some super scummy WIFOM? Don't give a shit. I'm going to go back to ignoring your screaming about how I'm scum.

1. Who said all 7-10 are? Strawman right there. That’s the pool of people where we are very likely to find scum. Tons of scum motivation for pushing a counterwagon to your partner when things are tight. Are you trying to say that scum aren’t going to be found there. Again, I’m going to spend time looking at ISOs and digging. Also, didn’t you call about 6 to 9 players scum Day 1? Yup, all of them aren’t likely scum so we shouldn’t have bothered to listen to you either, right?
2. What’s the point here? That I shouldn’t have wanted the player who pushed lynch attempts on two Town players, immediately disowned those deaths BEFORE the Mod confirm and called my top suspect Town lynched as possible scum? And again – your NK WIFOM bomb right there “MoI wanted DGB lynched, DGB had a Town read on MoI, so he must have killed her” is fantastic. Especially in light of how it conflicts with your “I’m not saying you are scum” stance.
3. Nice. Yes, I was the architect of that Wagon. Keep trying to throw irrelevancies at it (you were 3rd thus you couldn’t be the driver) at me. Now I like how you transition to “Bussing” in this post. Nice touch.
4-5. Can’t respond, won’t both. Nice.

The bolded is scumtastic. Elaborate on why Stringer’s ability going to the Void somehow incriminates me. And if a player I suspect flipping Town makes me scum your suspicion of Furc must make you scum to, huh.

Yes, continue to try to ignore me. I’m not going away.

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: I concede your point that DGB never called you scum, however she was one of the few town members last night to call you on your crap.

[Junpei]

MoI: Do you believe that people should accept what you say because you've been right, and to some degree follow you based off of that?

Implosion, I'm not a lawyer and I'm not in law school, so how about I just lynch you?

also that 7for7 link is outrageous. They basically just took something and completely relabeled it and gave it a silly name. It's a fallacy yes, but it's not called '7for7'.. but whatever that's not important I suppose.

[Ghostlin]

Elaborate on why Stringer%u2019s ability going to the Void somehow incriminates me.

Really? You want an explanation on how you explain to town how that particular power (which was the only reason SB was kept alive) going to the void in a possible muitiple scum game after you point out it's utility that it is in fact a useful town ability and the exact person holding said ability is now dead and unable to pass it to anyone on town?

Here's some scum motivation:
1) You are an opposing mafia member or SK and don't want it passed.
2) Deleting what's said about the item going to the void for a minute, you are on the same team as stringer, arranged the wagon and then urged it to dissolve. The fact that he was dead and scum was beyond your control; you didn't do the shooting, but you'd rather forget you were the one who saved stringer.