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Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:03 am**

and you

STILL

cannot explain why it was so wrong of me to vote for LLD after the night phase.

Nero LLD is still scummy as fuck. Lets kill it with fire.

TML: Nope you shouldn't have voted LLD b/c of the night flips.

Nero: What?!? Explain how the town flips changed anything.

TML:...........................................

So I'll ask you point blank this time.

WHAT DID THE FLIPS CHANGE AND WHY SHOULD THEY AFFECT MY LLD VOTE?

I believe I also asked you why you felt LLD was town but you ignored that too.

I'll admit that my vote is pretty useless. There's no movement on LLD and a few people have called you scum but I don't think my vote would do anything. I'm not all that interested in flipping Pine the only bw I'd be interested in in is Jun.

LLD-can you explain your flip on Fire? In 387 you said his post was not scummy but in 450 he was potential scum.

Also still waiting on that Mastin case

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:07 am**

Nero, the idea is that you didn't care what the flips were; you made your first post of Day 2 before any flips had happened. LLD could have died.. right? Scum could have died.. right? It seems like you planned your attack in your scum QT night 1.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:10 am**

No I don't.

B/C THEY DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING!!!

Not that you'll believe it but If LLD had died or there was a scum kill I would have changed it.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:14 am**

Oh that. I believe that writing that post during the night time is suspicious because you weren't even thinking that flips

could

even influence your decision. You had convinced yourself ages ago that you were going to vote LLD. Just because nothing flipped that did could have changed your opinion doesn't mean that it could have.

I have a town read on LLD because I have a cop inno on her.

Seriously though, it's more like I don't have a scum read on her and there have been no cases presented to me that have presuaded me otherwise. So really the only reason I think she's town is because she got attacked by you for ridiculous reasons.

P-edit: sigh...

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:16 am**

↑ Nero Cain wrote:
↑ Kublai Khan wrote:1.) "reds comments to AH wasn't an attack" refers to him calling AH a fag. I really see no reason for those three to get all upset like that. It reads to me like an
ATE
. Do you really think that Ben, GI and LLD are all town?
2.) If you wanna call it a backtrack fine.
3.) I didn't say that. I was just unsure of it and I wanted to see more posts from him before I made a decesion.
4.) but my basis isn't that she sat on the wagon, true its a big part of my case but its not like its my whole entire case. But like I said in my first post, I think lynching from the Rack wagon is a good idea. You were a day1 gut scum read, I can't really explain it therefore I'm not pushing it and I'd lynch others before you anyways.

In the future I'd appretiate if you'd read fully first. I already explained that TML zeal that I was wrong and should not suspect LLD gave me chainsaw vibes like he was defending a townie for town cred.

As for why I'm not being wagoned. Its simple. Scum know I'm town and are saving me for a mislynch later down the line.

1) You have no idea what an ATE is. And as a matter of fact, I do have benmage, GreyICE, and Lady Lambdadelta on the town side of my reads. The whole incident was a bunch of personality clashing that had nothing to do with alignment. The fact that you're trying to make a case out of it is scummy.
2) So you're backtracking the main basis of your case against Lady Lambdadelta?
3) Oh. You wanted to see more posts from him. That's why you let him know that he was off the hook for his "terrible" vote. [/sarcasm]
4) That makes no sense whatsoever.

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Now, KK, can you explain to me why Nero is scum and not incredibly misguided town?

There's a point between misguided and townie. He's crossed that line. Post 1135 is post made by scum justifying a bad vote.

Nero Cain wrote:Also still waiting on that Mastin case

"

Maaaaaaaastin! Please distract them from meeeeeee!

"

You already saw mastin2's case on me. It's Post 238 except longer because the game's gone on longer. If you think I'm scum (and you've already said so), then post your case before he does.

Also, did you really write up your Lady Lambdadelta post at the end of Day 1?

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:17 am**

↑ Nero Cain wrote:
↑ Kublai Khan wrote:1.) "reds comments to AH wasn't an attack" refers to him calling AH a fag. I really see no reason for those three to get all upset like that. It reads to me like an
ATE
. Do you really think that Ben, GI and LLD are all town?
2.) If you wanna call it a backtrack fine.
3.) I didn't say that. I was just unsure of it and I wanted to see more posts from him before I made a decesion.
4.) but my basis isn't that she sat on the wagon, true its a big part of my case but its not like its my whole entire case. But like I said in my first post, I think lynching from the Rack wagon is a good idea. You were a day1 gut scum read, I can't really explain it therefore I'm not pushing it and I'd lynch others before you anyways.

In the future I'd appretiate if you'd read fully first. I already explained that TML zeal that I was wrong and should not suspect LLD gave me chainsaw vibes like he was defending a townie for town cred.

As for why I'm not being wagoned. Its simple. Scum know I'm town and are saving me for a mislynch later down the line.

1) You have no idea what an ATE is. And as a matter of fact, I do have benmage, GreyICE, and Lady Lambdadelta on the town side of my reads. The whole incident was a bunch of personality clashing that had nothing to do with alignment. The fact that you're trying to make a case out of it is scummy.
2) So you're backtracking the main basis of your case against Lady Lambdadelta?
3) Oh. You wanted to see more posts from him. That's why you let him know that he was off the hook for his "terrible" vote. [/sarcasm]
4) That makes no sense whatsoever.

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Now, KK, can you explain to me why Nero is scum and not incredibly misguided town?

There's a point between misguided and townie. He's crossed that line. Post 1135 is post made by scum justifying a bad vote.

Nero Cain wrote:Also still waiting on that Mastin case

"

Maaaaaaaastin! Please distract them from meeeeeee!

"

You already saw mastin2's case on me.

{Now with tags fixed}

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:18 am**

Oh, effin' hell. It cut off the bottom part. Eh, whatever.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:43 am**

Maxous wrote:Code X is scummy too, posting a lot but not saying a lot. Reading through his walls, it is a lot of commentary...not much meat to it.

Yeah, this was one of the reasons I considered rekindling my Ninja scumread, but the second large wall was better--and more than that, it looked like it was legitimate, and that CodeX was honestly believing everything he was saying. Granted, in multiscum that's not nearly as strong of a towntell, but it's enough for me to go with Antihero (plus myself) and write him off as town.

Also for the record, my suspicion on FakeGod has lessened. And I'll need to take another look at Firestarter, but I'll probably read him the same way I do CodeX--their posting style is nearly identical, with lots of IioA, but with some workable content to form reads out of.

Also also, Psyche and DV's recent posting kinda leads me to believe one of--but not both--them are scum. Don't know which would be which, though.

Also*3, TML's scum.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:48 am**

Holy--

How the heck did I ever have a scumread on Firestarter?

Again, while there is tons of IioA, even the IioA comes across as being commented on by someone forming an opinion and basically summarizing things as they see it. Furthermore, the reads posted do have a few gems in them and give a couple of unique insights which I had entirely overlooked before. He's gotta be town.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:05 am**

Psyche:

Opinion on Macros? I see absolutely nothing on him in your ISO.

Macross:

Can you give me the six players you are most suspicious of, and the six players you are least suspicious of? Rather than two or three of each? You've only mentioned a few players in this game so far; you've ignored many more.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:08 am**

Macross: Can you give me the six players you are most suspicious of, and the six players you are least suspicious of? Rather than two or three of each? You've only mentioned a few players in this game so far; you've ignored many more.

Extend this to

FakeGod

as well, who has done not much better.

And please include what you think of Macros if he's in neither category.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:08 am**

↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:Oh that. I believe that writing that post during the night time is suspicious because you weren't even thinking that flips
could
even influence your decision. You had convinced yourself ages ago that you were going to vote LLD. Just because nothing flipped that did could have changed your opinion doesn't mean that it could have.

I have a town read on LLD because I have a cop inno on her. Seriously though, it's more like I don't have a scum read on her and there have been no cases presented to me that have presuaded me otherwise.
So really the only reason I think she's town is because she got attacked by you for ridiculous reasons.

At this point I'm just laughing. "Well the flips could have affected the LLD slot therefore your read should have changed."

So you think LLD is town b/c you have a scum read on an unflipped player. And you say I have bad logic.

↑ Kublai Khan wrote:

Nero Cain wrote:Also still waiting on that Mastin case

"
Maaaaaaaastin! Please distract them from meeeeeee!
"

You already saw mastin2's case on me.

lol.

LLD voted Mastin at the begining of the DP. I wanted to see her case on him. That was me asking her for her case on mastin not asking mastin for a case on you. misrep much?

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:13 am**

Macros? Huh. His posts seem null, with a slight lean on Town.

The reaction against the idea of lynching Nero seems too widespread. Rack's lynch wasn't as well-founded, but it got pushed all the way. I would think more opportunism would be seen there. But I suppose I'm just speculating, and I've yet to analyze whether macroactivity is a safe predictor of scum attitudes toward players.

I wonder if I can analyze that quickly...

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:14 am**

↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:So really the only reason I think she's town is because she got attacked by you for ridiculous reasons.

I actually think that if Nero flips scum, LLD becomes much more suspect. I mean, it looks like Nero knew that LLD would be alive to me.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:14 am**

Psyche: Opinion on Macros? I see absolutely nothing on him in your ISO.

And now

Junpei

needs to answer this as well, since he has the exact same thing.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:17 am**

↑ mastin2 wrote:
Psyche: Opinion on Macros? I see absolutely nothing on him in your ISO.
And now
Junpei
needs to answer this as well, since he has the exact same thing.

You first.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:18 am**

@Nero: I found Firestarter to be scummier than I expected on a reread, mainly his first post.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:21 am**

↑ Junpei wrote:
↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:So really the only reason I think she's town is because she got attacked by you for ridiculous reasons.

I actually think that if Nero flips scum, LLD becomes much more suspect. I mean, it looks like Nero knew that LLD would be alive to me.

Stating that someone is town or scum via unflipped player attack is ridiculous.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:22 am**

↑ Nero Cain wrote:
↑ Junpei wrote:
↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:So really the only reason I think she's town is because she got attacked by you for ridiculous reasons.

I actually think that if Nero flips scum, LLD becomes much more suspect. I mean, it looks like Nero knew that LLD would be alive to me.

Stating that someone is town or scum via unflipped player attack is ridiculous.

ISO me, I don't have active suspicion of LLD, only you. The reason for this and my quoted statement is exactly as you say: associative tells on unflipped players are ridiculous.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:22 am**

To be more specific, Nero I didn't like how a lot of his reads were "not enough content" and I didn't like his Psyche scum read, where his first point is that he voted Rack upon arriving in the thread.

Which is more or less exactly what Firestarter did.

He had a lot of weird inconsistencies that made his cases look fabricated. Things a townie wouldn't do.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:25 am**

↑ Junpei wrote:
↑ Nero Cain wrote:
↑ Junpei wrote:
↑ The Mini-Librarian wrote:So really the only reason I think she's town is because she got attacked by you for ridiculous reasons.

I actually think that if Nero flips scum, LLD becomes much more suspect. I mean, it looks like Nero knew that LLD would be alive to me.

Stating that someone is town or scum via unflipped player attack is ridiculous.

ISO me, I don't have active suspicion of LLD, only you. The reason for this and my quoted statement is exactly as you say: associative tells on unflipped players are ridiculous.

If you think that then what do you think of TML who said he thinks LLD is town b/c an unflipped Nero attacked her?

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:25 am**

Junpei, I have.

Multiple times.

In fact, I've commented on Macros more than any other player.

YOU have not.
YOU have ZERO mention of Macros in your ISO.

Now answer. What. Do. You. Think. Of. Macros.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:27 am**

↑ Maxous wrote:Yeah, Pine is scum. For sure.

Shotgun and Psynche had good relevant points and his suspicion on scooby just screams fake.

Code X is scummy too, posting a lot but not saying a lot. Reading through his walls, it is a lot of commentary...not much meat to it.
Even his player by player post said surprisingly little.
I'm trying to work out the tl;dr of his case on red but it seems to only consist of 'well, he ignored questions'

It's quite similar to why I think Jason was scum, though not to the same extent. (still waiting on FG to do something btw)

That is part of it - but overall, I don't think answering questions is scummy. It's just unhelpful and evasive - both traits which I tend to think aren't particularly pro-town.

I think he's bad more so for the way he played regards the Rack lynch. As I say he always seemed to be happy to push and prod the lynch along, despite vehemently claiming Rack was town at several opportunities. He also fails to respond to votes/attacks aside from my one the other day. Also don't like his attack on CCV seemed staged - looking for a viable wagon - stopped it when Antihero started posting content. His vote on Firestarter today reads like lazy.

Am I open to change, of course, but I just think at the minute he's the scummiest. Closely followed by Mastin.

Mastin - could you give me your thoughts regards these

six

five?

↑ mastin2 wrote:

That leaves {shotty, Hez, Macross, redFF, vijay, scooby} as containing one scum.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:29 am**

↑ Nero Cain wrote:f you think that then what do you think of TML who said he thinks LLD is town b/c an unflipped Nero attacked her?

I think it's bad logic, just like I think a lot of peoples' points in this game are bad logic. Not sure if it's scummy or not yet though.

Mastin, give me an indepth account of Maxous, no one liners.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:30 am**

↑ Junpei wrote:Mastin, give me an indepth account of Maxous, no one liners.

I mean macros

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