TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[Slaxx]

Just think, Leela, if you never lynch scum, you can never analyze scum flips.

Lynch PereV and this game will be blown wide open.

You're on IAm.

Not a bad vote, but the prestige-pere-pressure-palooza is so much better.

SO much sweeter.

And SO much more alliterated than the IAm wagon.

[UberNinja]

One is as good as the other.

Vote: PeregrineV

[Slaxx]

oh boi oh boi

[UberNinja]

oh my word.... his face

it cannot be unseen.

[Porochaz]

I said I was playing this on my own, but I've just read Nacho's comments in my qt, he has very differing opinions from me. Which is interesting.

Iam, who do you think is town?

Cooldog re-read may come later.

(If I decide to abandon playing this on my own)

[CooLDoG]

CooLdog, you think Grey and UN are both scum?

Town to scum:
Slaxx
Jason
poro
MoS (I still don't know what is up with this guy.)
Captain Murasa
PeregrineV
GreyICE (Tied with pere. Both of these guys are slightly scummy in my opinion)
DeltaWave
Uberninja

Grey is more likly to be scum with either uber or delta due to his hard core defense and buddy of both of them. And if pere or poro flips town it increases the chance of grey dlta and uber of being scum.

@Uber, why did it take you so long to unvte and vote pere? What about that scummy as hell argument on inh?

[Equinox]

Porochaz(2): GreyICE, DeltaWave
UberNinja(2): CooLDoG, Porochaz
DeltaWave(2): Captain Leela, iamausername
PeregrineV(2): Slaxx, UberNinja
iamausername(1): Mastermind of Sin
Mastermind of Sin(1): PeregrineV

Not Voting: jasonT1981
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is June 2nd.

[UberNinja]

GreyICE and Delta, please switch to PereV
Mastermind of Sin, please switch to PereV
CAptain Leela, please switch to PereV

I will love you all

[PeregrineV]

He started off the day, or close to it, voting for MoS in Post 1046. He had mentioned thinking that MoS seemed kind of lurkery scummy during day one, and there was an interaction about figuring out MoS' motives in PoE with Porochaz. (Now I feel dumb right now because I can't find what prompted Poro to vote Peregrine for figuring out MoS's motives in PoE.) Anyway, he didn't give reasoning for why he was voting for MoS in that post, and when I asked him for reasoning he told me in Post 1089. Reasoning is sound as he did say he was sheeping Glork, and some of his posts weren't stellar, but he made some really good points day one.

It would help if you can point out some of those good points day1.

The second reason is that he thinks he looks like he's fishing for support for his lynch and is directing the day where he thinks it should go. Yes, he started off the day voting Uberninja for a bad post (it was bad), and then did a wagon analysis (which I hate), but he's not acted in accordance with pushing the day where he thinks it should go.

He has been V/LA, so how could he act on it?

My biggest problem with this is that he didn't give this information up front. I had to ask him why he was voting MoS, and the way he's gone about it has been subtle.

It is interesting that you asked and commented on it, while no one else has. Except for UberNinja ramping up his call for my death.
And if you could expand on my subtleness of my vote and post 1089, that would help me understand what you mean.

He hasn't interacted with MoS to determine his thought process with this. Now he has interacted with me and Uberninja and asked others questions, and tried to get me to elaborate on why I find MoS town, but he hasn't interacted with MoS even though he's voting for him. This doesn't read to me as someone who is trying to find out if his suspicions are accurate.

Really? A simple dual ISO of me and MoS would show he went V/LA about 5 hours after I explained my vote to you, and has been gone ever since. Given that, what sort of conversation would you be looking for between us?

[PeregrineV]

Slaxx is my biggest up-in-the-air. What I read and my sixth sense are warring when it comes to him.

Do me a special favor and give me something a little more concrete than this.

Thanks.

Or you can skip the part where he spews a bunch of nonsensical bullshit, and just lynch him.

kthx

Unvote; Vote: PV

Because Glork said so.

What else did Glork say?

Not inclined to want PV dead right now either.

What did Glork say about Uberninja?

Spoiler: Glork points out Uberscum

Is there a true answer to why I picked GreyICE? Maybe. But maybe not.

For someone who recently lamented that personalities are trumping logic and reasoning, this seems awfully dubious.

Unvote
Vote: UberNinja

UNVOTE
VOTE: UBERNINJA

Still don't like UberNinja a whole lot.

UberNinja is trying way too hard to be all cute with people, and CooLDoG hit the nail on the head with that one. It makes everything he says look like some herpaderp who would rather one-up other players than find scum. Basically, everything UN has said so far has struck me wrong. Nothing resonates as somebody looking for scum, just someone who would rather 'win' petty arguments over stupid shit.

But, to explain:
On one hand, UberNinja's play has been awful. He's demonstrably playing

against

the style and attitude he claimed in an

out-of-game, Mafia Discussion thread

, which absolutely SCREAMS to me "I AM NOT GENIUINE."

I would argue that my initial UberNinja vote was good and well-reasoned.

Glork - UN was a terrible, terrible vote. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

Disagree. UN was playing disingenuously.

Since my team consensus is still dumb-Uber not scum-Uber, I won't go into your multiple posts calling for Glork to die day1.

But, you need to stop being a

herpaderp who would rather one-up other players than find scum. Basically, everything UN has said so far has struck me wrong. Nothing resonates as somebody looking for scum, just someone who would rather 'win' petty arguments over stupid shit.

Shall I go on or do you want to knock off the shit and play?

[PeregrineV]

CooLdog, you think Grey and UN are both scum?

Town to scum:
Slaxx
Jason
poro
MoS (I still don't know what is up with this guy.)
Captain Murasa
PeregrineV
GreyICE (Tied with pere. Both of these guys are slightly scummy in my opinion)
DeltaWave
Uberninja

Grey is more likly to be scum with either uber or delta due to his hard core defense and buddy of both of them. And if pere or poro flips town it increases the chance of grey dlta and uber of being scum.

@Uber, why did it take you so long to unvte and vote pere? What about that scummy as hell argument on inh?

Your list is too listy. I'd like to hear WHY Slaxx and Jason are town, and Delta and Uber are scum. And how are GreyIce and I tied?

[UberNinja]

Pere, I see you viewing the forum. I've seen you viewing the forum at various points for nearly two hours now.

Come out and play~

DeltaWave, are you scum?

[iamausername]

Unvote; Vote: iamausername

This post just came right out of the blue. Guys, please, please can we lynch this guy. I beg you. He can pull his reasons for votes right out of his ass and no one cares.

Actually this, more than anything else he's done, is making me think UberNinja is town. It's a terrible vote, obviously, but I don't see scum motivation behind it. He had a good thing going with the Prozac wagon, and if I do say so myself, I'm an extremely difficult player to lynch. Don't see scum UN going for this when there are so many easier targets out there.

not sure if slaxx is scum buddying up to me because i have a town read on him... or just really awesome townie

Slaxx is obviously fuckin' town, you dolt.

When Iam said to give him two names and he'd show you a magic trick after you demonstrated the Pere/Iam connections, he was going to show you that you can find connections/lack of connections between any two people in the game if you want to. (At least that's how I interpreted it.)

gonna have to blackball you from the magicians' alliance for that.

i mean, you're right, but you know. magicians' code.

Iam, who do you think is town?

Dead cert town: Slaxx, Captain Murleela.
Prob town: CoolDog (If I was working alone, I'd have him dead cert town too, but Rhinox has persuaded me that there's at least a possibility that I'm writing him off too easily.), jason, GreyICE
Prospects brightening: UberNinja, MoS
Prospects darkening: Prozac, PeregrineV
WHY ISN'T HE DEAD YET: DeltaWave

Town to scum:
Slaxx
Jason
poro
MoS (I still don't know what is up with this guy.)
Captain Murasa
PeregrineV
GreyICE (Tied with pere. Both of these guys are slightly scummy in my opinion)
DeltaWave
Uberninja

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A

What else did Glork say?

Not inclined to want PV dead right now either.

Don't forget

My vote isn't moving off DeltaWave until one of us is dead.
Signed.
Sealed.
Delivered.

but anyway

BETTER START BUSSING
THAT'LL THROW THEM OFF THE SCENT

UNVOTE: DeltaWave
VOTE: PeregrineV

[iamausername]

Pere, I see you viewing the forum. I've seen you viewing the forum at various points for nearly two hours now.

Come out and play~

DeltaWave, are you scum?

yes

[jasonT1981]

Very short emergency V/LA. Last night I felt a drip of water on my head and looked up to see the ceiling cracked. Went into attic to see a pipe had burst. So a bit off house maintance that needs urgently done. I am very sorry, I keep trying to catch up. I am declaring this site wide in all my games. So this is a boiler plate message. I am hoping to be back ASAP possibly as early as tomorrow evening depending on how long the plumbing takes

[UberNinja]

Pere, I see you viewing the forum. I've seen you viewing the forum at various points for nearly two hours now.

Come out and play~

DeltaWave, are you scum?

Better not fuckin' lie to me, boy.

[GreyICE]

If we're lynching people of questionable mental capacity today we're lynching cooldog. I have spent more time frustration lynching peregrine, just to discover that once again he has misread his role pm as jester.

Has anyone noticed no one thinks poro is town but his wagon won't love forward?

[Porochaz]

I did, but I think Prozac is town. I also don't see what you all think is scummy despite asking for an explanation why before. Guess that was just ignored.

[UberNinja]

Either Poro's scum, or he's apathetic and useless enough that scum would rather bring him into endgame than someone who's a wild cannon.

The question is, which is it.

[Porochaz]

It's like you are playing a different game, Mr. Cannon.

[Porochaz]

Actually Im playing a different game momentarily. You are Mr. Sheep, not Mr. Cannon.

[Captain Leela]

He started off the day, or close to it, voting for MoS in Post 1046. He had mentioned thinking that MoS seemed kind of lurkery scummy during day one, and there was an interaction about figuring out MoS' motives in PoE with Porochaz. (Now I feel dumb right now because I can't find what prompted Poro to vote Peregrine for figuring out MoS's motives in PoE.) Anyway, he didn't give reasoning for why he was voting for MoS in that post, and when I asked him for reasoning he told me in Post 1089. Reasoning is sound as he did say he was sheeping Glork, and some of his posts weren't stellar, but he made some really good points day one.

It would help if you can point out some of those good points day1.

Post 246 is him trying to find out Jason's thought process on his suspect list in light of what he had said previously.
Post 504 is him being stubborn about not voting for two reasons. Okay this might not have relevance, but it gives me a good feeling. Could be because I can be rather stubborn as well.
Post 614 reasoning for Glork
Post 833 shows him actually thinking about the Haylen wagon and he talks about her play again in Post 840

I'm not going to go through all of them, but they show him actively engaged in the day. He's commenting on situations and sharing his teams reads.

The second reason is that he thinks he looks like he's fishing for support for his lynch and is directing the day where he thinks it should go. Yes, he started off the day voting Uberninja for a bad post (it was bad), and then did a wagon analysis (which I hate), but he's not acted in accordance with pushing the day where he thinks it should go.

He has been V/LA, so how could he act on it?

But before that he wasn't actively pushing the wagon he wanted. The only time was UN at the beginning of the day, but he pulled that back. He's voting Iam right now; nobody else is. And the one time that he popped in, he just basically gave a meh UN/Delta wagons aren't the one of the day. I would imagine if he was trying to direct the day, he'd be a little bit more aggressive about it...maybe even say what wagon should be the day's wagon, but he doesn't.

My biggest problem with this is that he didn't give this information up front. I had to ask him why he was voting MoS, and the way he's gone about it has been subtle.

It is interesting that you asked and commented on it, while no one else has. Except for UberNinja ramping up his call for my death.
And if you could expand on my subtleness of my vote and post 1089, that would help me understand what you mean.

Yeah, I have a tendency to ask a lot of questions. Why is it interesting that I did but no one else did? What I mean by subtleness is that you haven't really done anything about it. You voted, but didn't give a reason. We've talked about it, but it's not like you've tried to get others to see your point on MoS. Subtlety might not be the right word, passive may be better.

He hasn't interacted with MoS to determine his thought process with this. Now he has interacted with me and Uberninja and asked others questions, and tried to get me to elaborate on why I find MoS town, but he hasn't interacted with MoS even though he's voting for him. This doesn't read to me as someone who is trying to find out if his suspicions are accurate.

Really? A simple dual ISO of me and MoS would show he went V/LA about 5 hours after I explained my vote to you, and has been gone ever since. Given that, what sort of conversation would you be looking for between us?

But you voted him Wednesday morning in Post 1046. Later that afternoon you commented on a post of Jason's when he unvoted me after replacing in and you ask UN to explain the contradiction of her thought process with regard to Jason and Poro. And then yes, Thursday afternoon you answer my question about why you're voting him and about 5 hours later he goes V/LA. But, you don't interact with him before that. The only thing I can find in which you even address him is in the post in which you vote him when you address a group of people not addressed in Jason's post. I don't know why my asking you about your vote and you explaining it would have any bearing on your interaction with him. Why wouldn't you prod him to determine his thought process either before or at the time of your vote?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm about 6 pages behind. I've skimmed page 45 and 48. No idea when I'll get to the rest, and I only have one comment so far:

UberNinja, why are you so bad at this game?

[DeltaWave]

I see a lot of posts have been made, I've been really busy lately but I'll get to this tomorrow.

[UberNinja]

It's more if UN flips scum than town, UN flipping town means I need to re-evaluate this game, possibly look at the people trying to lead town, like Mos and Grey. It wouldn't mean Delta was in the clear, to answer your question, but my reasons for having suspicion on DW would not make sense if UN was town. Although not as apparent, the love between UN and Delta isn't one way.

I can't see either of them as scum trying to buddy to a town player, partly due to their experience but mostly due to the desperation in UN's posts combined with Delta's apparent lack of concern that there is someone who is doing the defending for him

.

Can you explain to me what you mean by the underlined? Where do you see desperation in UN's posts and what does that lead you to believe about UN. And should Delta be concerned that someone is defending him? What does that say about Delta?

Porochaz, you never answered this question.

He started off the day, or close to it, voting for MoS in Post 1046. He had mentioned thinking that MoS seemed kind of lurkery scummy during day one, and there was an interaction about figuring out MoS' motives in PoE with Porochaz. (Now I feel dumb right now because I can't find what prompted Poro to vote Peregrine for figuring out MoS's motives in PoE.) Anyway, he didn't give reasoning for why he was voting for MoS in that post, and when I asked him for reasoning he told me in Post 1089. Reasoning is sound as he did say he was sheeping Glork, and some of his posts weren't stellar, but he made some really good points day one.

It would help if you can point out some of those good points day1.

Post 246 is him trying to find out Jason's thought process on his suspect list in light of what he had said previously.
Post 504 is him being stubborn about not voting for two reasons. Okay this might not have relevance, but it gives me a good feeling. Could be because I can be rather stubborn as well.
Post 614 reasoning for Glork
Post 833 shows him actually thinking about the Haylen wagon and he talks about her play again in Post 840

I'm not going to go through all of them, but they show him actively engaged in the day. He's commenting on situations and sharing his teams reads.

The second reason is that he thinks he looks like he's fishing for support for his lynch and is directing the day where he thinks it should go. Yes, he started off the day voting Uberninja for a bad post (it was bad), and then did a wagon analysis (which I hate), but he's not acted in accordance with pushing the day where he thinks it should go.

He has been V/LA, so how could he act on it?

But before that he wasn't actively pushing the wagon he wanted. The only time was UN at the beginning of the day, but he pulled that back. He's voting Iam right now; nobody else is. And the one time that he popped in, he just basically gave a meh UN/Delta wagons aren't the one of the day. I would imagine if he was trying to direct the day, he'd be a little bit more aggressive about it...maybe even say what wagon should be the day's wagon, but he doesn't.

My biggest problem with this is that he didn't give this information up front. I had to ask him why he was voting MoS, and the way he's gone about it has been subtle.

It is interesting that you asked and commented on it, while no one else has. Except for UberNinja ramping up his call for my death.
And if you could expand on my subtleness of my vote and post 1089, that would help me understand what you mean.

Yeah, I have a tendency to ask a lot of questions. Why is it interesting that I did but no one else did? What I mean by subtleness is that you haven't really done anything about it. You voted, but didn't give a reason. We've talked about it, but it's not like you've tried to get others to see your point on MoS. Subtlety might not be the right word, passive may be better.

He hasn't interacted with MoS to determine his thought process with this. Now he has interacted with me and Uberninja and asked others questions, and tried to get me to elaborate on why I find MoS town, but he hasn't interacted with MoS even though he's voting for him. This doesn't read to me as someone who is trying to find out if his suspicions are accurate.

Really? A simple dual ISO of me and MoS would show he went V/LA about 5 hours after I explained my vote to you, and has been gone ever since. Given that, what sort of conversation would you be looking for between us?

But you voted him Wednesday morning in Post 1046. Later that afternoon you commented on a post of Jason's when he unvoted me after replacing in and you ask UN to explain the contradiction of her thought process with regard to Jason and Poro. And then yes, Thursday afternoon you answer my question about why you're voting him and about 5 hours later he goes V/LA. But, you don't interact with him before that. The only thing I can find in which you even address him is in the post in which you vote him when you address a group of people not addressed in Jason's post. I don't know why my asking you about your vote and you explaining it would have any bearing on your interaction with him. Why wouldn't you prod him to determine his thought process either before or at the time of your vote?

I am pleased that Leela's now focusing on Pere instead of DeltaWave.

I'm about 6 pages behind. I've skimmed page 45 and 48. No idea when I'll get to the rest, and I only have one comment so far:

UberNinja, why are you so bad at this game?

Omg ur so witty, let me go cry in a corner.

How about no. And shut the fuck up.