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↑ Ythan wrote:DGB I was content to go the rest of the game just ignoring all your posts why you gotta do this.

Hydras, who first suggested coordinating actions in the qt? How did each of you respond?

i dont really recall there being an expressed "hey were gonna coordinate actions" thing in the qt. it happened naturally as our town reads on eachother deepened and we started sharing more of our reads and talking about who we wanted to lynch and possible scum reads.

btw the faraday vote onto dgb isnt really a reactionary vote. theres been a majority expression of dgb is scum in there for awhile. personally for me i was rather ambivalent til she started defending wyrd so fervently so quickly. further, faraday and empire have been posting extremely towny in the qt, there is basically no way they are scum and this counterwagon that kids are trying to run up on them is silly as fuck.

also the hydra qt is like 450 posts long now. itd b really hard to find the first instance of that shit since it didnt happen til at least like 150 in

After almost 5 hours of thread-reading, I am finally done. Fuck that. My notes are below. I'll summarize major points in a separate post with a reads list.

Zoidberg's 35 is the first early game post to rub the wrong way.

And again in 44...

MattP-hydra is town (51).

Nacho is town (56). Weaker town read on Om.

Why did a Modpost list 11 to win? Typo? EDIT: It looks like Nacho edited the post for some reason, maybe continuing the hammer-talk business.

Townreads on Drench and Om (~75).

TheTrollie is scummy. DGB is less scummy (~96).

Wait, did TheTrollie just claim scum in 132/135? O.o

I am a bit surprised that no one is voting for TheTrollie at this point.

WHOAAAA hyperbolic response from TheTrollie ouch. EDIT: Meh, daykill thread is well-taken. That makes some sense. I can see the TheTrollie I've seen elsewhere react this way in this situation as town.

BT is probably town.

Not sure why Ythan is so fixated on NobodySpecial when stuff has already happened.

Ythan implies that he's not played with NobodySpecial before or something...which...that's hard for me to imagine, but... (235).

Zoidberg is scummy (258). MattP is obvtown.

I like Ythan better now (~ end of page 11).

Quilford doesn't want a Zoidberg wagon for some reason (278). Not sure why he would feel this way.

All this MattP/TheTrollie false dichotomy stuff is annoying to me, but I think I might be extra annoyed by it because of a recent experience where[REDACTED]. So I'm trying to temper my annoyance a little.

Not sure why Ythan thinks Drench 228 is scum. I think Drench is town, and that post isn't really problematic to me.

Dunno why people think BT is scum. I sounds like some of it is meta; I've never played with him before.

Quilford explains that he doesn't think Zoidberg is scum because he's a newer player, which...I don't buy it, really. TheTrollie is newbtown-y, but Zoidberg isn't.

Kuribo's 326 is good.

MMMMMMM Quilford looks OK in the subsequent back-and-forth, though (~342). EDIT: Uererrrr, until 350. O.o

Null on vollkan despite leaning scum on Quilford. Kinda weird. Kuribo is probably town.

I think it's weird that Quilford's changed-but-not-any-better reason for his unvote assuages vollkan (369).

CHESSKID votes BT...

Om is obvtown, so I dunno what Faraday is doing in 395. I guess he says he's still reading, but Om was obvtown starting on page 4 or so, soooo I can't imagine why he'd do that. Will watch for any changes there. EDIT: joins BT, the other wagon I don't get.

I'm surprised TheTrollie is still sticking to MattP-scum, but I guess it's still Tuesday, and I can see townTrollie being irrational while his feelings are hurt. It'll be a red flag if he keeps sticking to this up through the current thread endpoint, though.

Faraday makes a post that I agree with (413).

BT's comeback posts don't make any sense. I can't even tell why he voted Quilford or unvoted CHESSKIDhydra.

I think Gamma is town. He's not been as obvobvtown as he was in Dynasty Warriors mafia, though (~463, but this is gut based on his sporadic posts rather than anything in this point).

Zoidberg's comeback (494) is actually pretty townie.

Ythan doesn't understand the BT wagon (503). Which would have been fine earlier, but his comeback posts were bad enough that I'm surprised he went there.

Ythan didn't like the Quilford wagon, either (518)? Which wagons did he like, then?

Not sure why Om thinks Nacho is town...I'm totally null on him...I can't even think of anything he's done since page 1. EDIT: Oh right, I had forgotten about the bread-loaves.

I don't understand. Has Om been posting for 25 pages without having read anything past page 5 (590)?

I'm disappointed at no Fate/DGB drama so far.

Nacho points out the sketchy BT posts after Om requests BT scumfax (607).

YAY Fate. <3

Well, that was weird. O.o (630).

Uhh. I still don't get it. EDIT: Oh, because he voted CHESSKIDhydra. I'd interpreted the votepost as a /wave. I guess you'd expect him to vote NS in the second post, though, so that's indeed pretty wonky. Loads and loads of votes for it, though.

TheTrollie backs off of MattP on Wednesday (643), using the excuse that his hydra-partner is town. TownTrollie's butthurt is wearing off.

Zoidberg is scummy again in 645. EDIT: Oh, I had missed that Trollie also unvoted without revoting, though. Meh, it doesn't change my impression. I think ScumTrollie would hang onto his MattP scumread indefinitely.

Ythan suddenly wants to lynch Trollie (663).

Zoidberg wagon is finally going a little (~690).

Thunderhog finally comeback posts. Does not like. Lots of noise, he's playing policeman on BT, ignores Wyrd's NS voinconsistency even though both Zoidberg and Om made it explicit (could've missed it, I guess, but he'd have to miss it several times), etc. Suspects BT and Zoid.

Kuribo agrees with me about Thunderhog (700). EDIT: And Ythan.

DeltaWave thinks Om and CHESSKIDhydra and Zoidberg are scum (710).

Dunno why Zoidberg is aggro on Ythan when Ythan is trying to understand Zoidberg.

Katsuki is all over lynching Fate.

Mmmmm interesting from Wyrd (782), but it's not like PretentiousHydra is the only hydra in the game. So that's dumb.

I hope DGB starts playing the game soon (800). I guess I haven't really posted yet, either, but...

DGB calls Wyrd town (811). EDIT: LOL @ her lynchplan in 811. Quietly, because it's late and my little brother goes to bed at 10 PM or whatever.

I remain totally mystified at Om's summary of page 14 (821). WTF.

Oh, I'd love Umbrage to replace in.

OOOOHHHHH the other hydras got PMs to each head (831). I don't see Fate lying about that, though.

Thunderhog still doesn't seem to understand the Wyrd wagon. You'd think he'd, ya know. Reread the quickwagon. Maybe see where TheTrollie and/or Om spell it out for him.

Gamma says Thunderhot is scum (846). EDIT: So does dram (847). Faraday sings a cute song (850).

DGB continues her antics. <_<

Katsuki suggests DGB-Wyrd (859).

The Zoidberg discussions remind me that he hasn't posted in ages. Granted, "ages" probably means about 12 hours in real-life terms.

BT returns, makes a pretty good post, votes Thunderhog for some reason. There's some anti-Thunderhog stuff in there, but idk whether the vote makes sense to me.

Om DISLIKES the BT post (869). I wish he would explain why. EDIT: Oh, sounds like Om is butthurt over pressure from BT ages ago that was minor enough that I don't even remember it.

Ooh, I like when Faraday gets all dominant (876).

Ythan doesn't like the BT post, either, or at least doesn't like the vote.

DGB is probably town (885).

Revelation of a hydra mega-thread is interesting. Would be interesting to see whether Fate was posting there. Sounds like not much, as he says he hasn't read it all. EDIT: WTF Whoaaaaa @ Fate's claim about "framing" him and everyone being all over it. That's crazy. I don't think any town player would do that, and I don't think any scum player would try it. I'll be looking out for what other hydrafolk say about it.

If Wyrd is town, I think Fate is right about which hydras are scum. Faraday-hydraScum wouldn't do that, but Katsuki or CHESSKID scum have the meta to maybe pull it off, and I doubt town would do something so stupid all on their own.

CHESSKIDHYDRA's post is bad. You need to give us much more than that after what Fate posted (905).

Wyrd's 910 is revealing if Wyrd is town, especially since MattP is obvtown.

OK, something weird is going on by 918. Paraphrase the goddamn QT. I do not understand the need for this vagueness.

Nuwen's entry posts sounds fine to me (from Wyrd, 934). That's not the kind of post you accidentally put in the wrong QT.

OK, why the hell would Nuwen subsequently advocate massclaim? That is dumb (CHESSKIDhydra's 936).

Zoidberg mirrors my thoughts in 937. This is very frustrating.

OK, Wyrd's 944 sounds more plausible than CHESSKID's Nuwen gloss in 936.

Ythan, Wyrd and CHESSKIDhydra have directly accused the other person of grossly misrepresenting what happened in the QT. Inappropriate editorializing has obviously occurred (945).

WHY THE HELL WON'T SOMEONE JUST PARAPHRASE THE SCUMSLIP GOD THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS. Both Fate and CHESSKID have paraphrased other stuff, so it's obviously acceptable. On the other hand, it's hard to imagine both CHESSKID and Katsuki making something like that up.

Fate, please paraphrase what has been interpreted as a scumslip. It's clear that SOMETHING happened because I don't understand both CHESSKID and Katsuki referring to something as such. (Though CHESSKID ludicrously called Nuwen's replace-in post a "scum claim" and didn't attest your characterization of it, sooooo.)

MattP finally posts, neglects to clarify anything. <_<

Ooh, trouble in paradise (984).

Zoraster posts, is apparently not playing the same game as the rest of us (985).

Faraday needs to explain his DGB vote (1049). I can't tell whether it's mainly a Wyrd unvote, or mainly a DGB vote.

Fuck you @ MattP in 1053. I've been reading this thread for over 4 hours and my boyfriend is pissed at me. STFU.

Oh, this is apparently Empire posting. Maybe that's why Faraday feels dodgier.

EDIT: Oh, nevermind. Faraday is just sleepy or something (1075).

WTF, why does DGB vote Faraday? I guess because he's been grouchy lately? Way to ruin one of my favorite townreads.

I agree with Wyrd in 1092. Katsuki or CHESSKID is much more plausible as the hydra-scum than Faraday. Faraday would not pull that shit regardless of alignment unless he was VERY SLEEPY, and then he would feel bad.

Aaaand Wyrd claims vengeful (1105).

DGB, if I'm not mistaken, you have criticized both Faraday and Katsuki of caught-wrong-reason squirming (1126). Which is it?

Dram suggests that townCHESSKID was the cause of all this foolishness. I really want to think better of CHESSKID when he's actually playing games. He's not a shit player.

ARENT YOU HAPPY THOSE POSTS WERENT IN HERE DGB ???

holy shit lol

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:

↑ Ythan wrote:

unvote vote Zoidberg

I missed you.

See, that's the sort of thing that gets you a sweet, sweet spot in my scum category. Why Zoid, why now, are you derailing? Did I catch your buddy? Were you hoping I'd trip on my shoelaces and I disappointed you?

I wanted to get off Wyrd and this is a good place for my vote atm. Halfway through isos, perhaps I'll have something more to your taste later on. At the moment I haven't picked an alternative wagon.

↑ SlumberPartyBois wrote:also the hydra qt is like 450 posts long now. itd b really hard to find the first instance of that shit since it didnt happen til at least like 150 in

Not really. Do it.

i tried glancing through it to find it and zoned out after awhile and got bored of that. ill do it tomorrow when im not getting ready 2 go to bed. or ill make matt do it.

Iece that's a really obnoxious format.

Next time you make one put links in it.

Iecerint, please vote.

ice can u pls sum up your thoughts in the form of a concise reads list.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Zoidberg's 35 is the first early game post to rub the wrong way.

What is it about his vote on the wagon that rubs you in a way the other ones don't?

↑ Iecerint wrote:Townreads on Drench and Om (~75).

Where does an early Om townread come from?

↑ Iecerint wrote:Not sure why Ythan is so fixated on NobodySpecial when stuff has already happened.

I actually explained in the specific post you referenced why I made the one comment I did on NS.

Actually no you reference 235 in the next post. But it's still there and you still clearly read that post.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Not sure why Ythan thinks Drench 228 is scum. I think Drench is town, and that post isn't really problematic to me.

Gigantic ad hom in response to an attack.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Not sure why Ythan thinks Drench 228 is scum. I think Drench is town, and that post isn't really problematic to me.

how did you go from this to having drench at the bottom of your scum list?

Ugh that catchup post.

I swear anyone who delivers or promises to deliver a catchup post is scum.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Ythan doesn't understand the BT wagon (503). Which would have been fine earlier, but his comeback posts were bad enough that I'm surprised he went there.

Ythan didn't like the Quilford wagon, either (518)? Which wagons did he like, then?

What because 2/25 weren't good enough?

Hey Iecerint, now that you're caught up you have no excuse not to partake more actively in the game, right?

1. I apologize for being late to the party. I've had some academic responsibilities to deal with and haven't had a long enough block to catch up on the thread until this evening.

2. If you can't be bothered to read all my notes, please at least ctrl+f your name or whatever, because I have some questions for you guys littered throughout. It took me 5 hours to write them, so, ye know, please don't be a butthole.

3. @ Ythan:

A) Zoidberg's votepost bothered me because it did -- the bothering comes before the analysis. Here's the actual vote post. Looking back, the reason why it probably bothered me is that the tone of the post evokes "random carefreeness" when it's obvious that he's actually following the crowd, which is the opposite of random carefreeness. This kind of early-game thing is more likely to come from scum

B) Early townread on Om is gut. Call it the opposite of the early scumread on Zoidberg. Looking back, it's probably because he was posting very openly in a context that I think would be stressful to a less mature player. He's maintained this trend throughout the entire game. I feel relatively strongly about this read.

C) My comment you're referring to is not objecting to the CONTENT of what you said about NS, but about the FACT that you were focusing on NS. It seemed like you were ignoring lots of much more compelling (to me) thread content. This was strange to me, so I made a note of it.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Ythan suddenly wants to lynch Trollie (663).

There was actually nothing sudden about this and I even isoed myself to be sure.