The way that grapes' inspection thing was worded is that she knew she'd get a fake mafia result on someone who didn't know it - this would be to avoid bastardness.
For one of the actual mafia to be aware that they "inspect as town" would make sense, in all honesty.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:21 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Davsto wrote:The way that grapes' inspection thing was worded is that she knew she'd get a fake mafia result on someone who didn't know it - this would be to avoid bastardness.
For one of the actual mafia to be aware that they "inspect as town" would make sense, in all honesty.
I don't understand the point you're making.
Grapes was informed that he would investigate a townie as mafia but not a mafia as townie was to avoid bastardness? If that was the intent, why not inform the townie they were a miller?
Why does it make sense for there to be a godfather in this game?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:24 am
by Davsto
When there's an investigative role, it always makes sense for there to be a godfather.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:25 am
by Nachomamma8
Maybe on different sites, but not here.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:29 am
by Davsto
Well it stops the entire game being won just by a Cop. Like, who cares if they get a Mafia result on a townie; they get 4 mafia results, lynch them all, kabam. Game won for town.
This is a role madness game. Giving the Mafia something which makes them inspect as innocent makes basic logical sense.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:12 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Davsto wrote:Well it stops the entire game being won just by a Cop. Like, who cares if they get a Mafia result on a townie; they get 4 mafia results, lynch them all, kabam. Game won for town.
Normally when a cop gets a guilty result, they out. When cops out, Roleblockers usually block them.
If a cop manages to get three guilty results on three different mafia players, they deserve to win the game; a vig shooting three mafia also deserves to win the game.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:14 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Davsto wrote:This is a role madness game. Giving the Mafia something which makes them inspect as innocent makes basic logical sense.
But informing the cop that he can get bad Mafia results while simultaneously not informing him he can get bad Town results doesn't make logical sense.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:15 am
by Davsto
The reason the Cop was informed that they can get bad Mafia results is because the player who gets the bad Mafia result isn't aware.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:16 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Davsto wrote:The reason the Cop was informed that they can get bad Mafia results is because the player who gets the bad Mafia result isn't aware.
Why?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:16 am
by Nachomamma8
What?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:16 am
by Davsto
Look, I think there's a good enough chance of one of you/Fire being scum that I don't care that much, but I swear to god that if there's an investigation-immune in this game I will slap you post-game.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:16 am
by Davsto
↑wgeurts wrote:Your skills are also occasionally prone to failure, you know that one player will always appear as "Mafia" to you this game, though they aren't aware of it themselves as the fault is yours.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:17 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Davsto wrote:Look, I think there's a good enough chance of one of you/Fire being scum that I don't care that much, but I swear to god that if there's an investigation-immune in this game I will slap you post-game.
↑wgeurts wrote:Your skills are also occasionally prone to failure, you know that one player will always appear as "Mafia" to you this game, though they aren't aware of it themselves as the fault is yours.
Yes, I know that.
Your argument is that the only reason grapes was informed that he could get a false Mafia result was because the false mafia result wasn't aware of his status.
Why wouldn't he be aware of his status?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:19 am
by Davsto
Feel free to slap me if there isn't.
PEdit It literally says that in the quote
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Nachomamma8 wrote:though they aren't aware of it themselves as the fault is yours.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:19 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Nachomamma8 wrote:Why wouldn't he be aware of his status?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:19 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Nachomamma8 wrote:Why wouldn't he be aware of his status?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:20 am
by Nachomamma8
I'm asking from a setup perspective, I'm not trying to refute facts.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:21 am
by Davsto
I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:25 am
by Davsto
Maybe it's to avoid the typical Miller reaction; typically, it's either "claim early, potentially get policy lynched later" or "claim once caught and then get lynched".
wgeurts wanted to avoid that age-old reaction by having the Cop be aware that they will get a false result on someone. And then, not telling the person who gets said result to avoid a "hey I know someone's a Miller" "yeh it's me" bam two confirmed towns.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:25 am
by Nachomamma8
↑Davsto wrote:I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.
They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.
This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.
↑Davsto wrote:I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.
They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.
This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.
It also has the good modding practice of full disclosure; letting grapes know what results he can trust and what results he can't allows him to play the role a bit more skillfully than he could otherwise.
↑Davsto wrote:I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.
They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.
This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.
It also has the good modding practice of full disclosure; letting grapes know what results he can trust and what results he can't allows him to play the role a bit more skillfully than he could otherwise.
↑Davsto wrote:I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.
They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.
This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.
I don't see why this is relevant; I mean, a Godfather's hardly going to claim.
In a role madness game with a Cop, I have no reason to believe that the mafia don't have an investigation-immune.
However, let's stop this irrelevant discussion; chances are the mafia is one of you/Fire so it's unimportant to me.