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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:57 pm
by Dapper Stranger
Passionate Storm wrote:Ee, asking for thoughts from scumreads is pretty duh. It leaves tells if they are scum and helps readjust if wrong.

I believe your reads are the ones based in emotion not his.

Let me give you a hypothetical.

You are trying to determine if an individual is sick. You do not have a doctor. Two people who know the individual say she's sick. The patient says no and denies these people know her. She points to someone less familiar to say she's healthy.

What conclusion do you draw regarding the patient's health?

Yeah. The one with well thought out and worded explanations is the emotional one...not the one yelling in all caps raging with expletives dotting practically every line he is posting...yeah

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:58 pm
by Spifflop
Eagle you do realize reads are not set in stone? Like I said I make observations of things I am thinking at the time and your perpetual ignorance to the Klingon wagon was what made me think that. And so far you've given me no reason to think otherwise.

But by all means continue ignoring my questions for you it's a really good look.

PEdit: Btw I KNEW everyone would try to write everything I said off because I was angry. I don't blame them though that's probably the only play they have to keep acting like they're scum reading me.

~Spiffy

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:59 pm
by Dapper Stranger
Spifflop wrote:Also be nice.

~Spiffy

Stop screaming at and cursing me then punk

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:59 pm
by Passionate Storm
EE?

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:00 pm
by Dapper Stranger
Titus-you and Spiffeh are far, FAR from the only ones who know how Celt plays in this game.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:01 pm
by Spifflop
I was cursing at your case not at you directly.

You know I love you.

Maybe.

~Spiffy

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:02 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
Passionate Storm wrote:
Extrapolated Eagle wrote:None of the people in this scenario are a doctor? Then I discussed things with the patient directly. Particularly why said people might lie about her sickness.


None are. Ok, you think that people knowing her would lie. Why? Why not ask the two who know her and investigate their evidence? Why do you search for evidence they are lying?

I haven't said anything about lying, accuracy or anything else, just that the two knew the patient better.


I am not saying that I think the people who know her are lying. It is quite possible they are simply misguided. I would like to hear it from the patient themselves. Why take it from a second-hand source when you can take it from a first hand source? My parents are very good to me. They have spent a large majority of my life with me. They most likely know me best of anyone. And yet I have told them I was sick in the past and they did not believe it. My parents are possibly on the other end of the spectrum to these two people you mentioned, but you two have known Klingon for months, perhaps a year. My parents have known me for decades. They were still wrong about me and when they finally took me to the ER the doctor said "just in time why didn't you take him sooner?" It is so easy to believe something about someone or think you know someone when truly human beings are so complex that even the people who make them cannot fully understand them.

So no, I would talk to the patient themselves.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:03 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle

Working on it. Sorry I'm phone posting, so it takes time.
Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
Passionate Storm wrote:
Extrapolated Eagle wrote:None of the people in this scenario are a doctor? Then I discussed things with the patient directly. Particularly why said people might lie about her sickness.


None are. Ok, you think that people knowing her would lie. Why? Why not ask the two who know her and investigate their evidence? Why do you search for evidence they are lying?

I haven't said anything about lying, accuracy or anything else, just that the two knew the patient better.


I am not saying that I think the people who know her are lying. It is quite possible they are simply misguided. I would like to hear it from the patient themselves. Why take it from a second-hand source when you can take it from a first hand source? My parents are very good to me. They have spent a large majority of my life with me. They most likely know me best of anyone. And yet I have told them I was sick in the past and they did not believe it. My parents are possibly on the other end of the spectrum to these two people you mentioned, but you two have known Klingon for months, perhaps a year. My parents have known me for decades. They were still wrong about me and when they finally took me to the ER the doctor said "just in time why didn't you take him sooner?" It is so easy to believe something about someone or think you know someone when truly human beings are so complex that even the people who make them cannot fully understand them.

So no, I would talk to the patient themselves.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:04 pm
by Dapper Stranger
Spifflop wrote:
PEdit: Btw I KNEW everyone would try to write everything I said off because I was angry. I don't blame them though that's probably the only play they have to keep acting like they're scum reading me.

~Spiffy

No. A man is believing his case on you. The childish squirming is however funny as hell. Die scum die.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:05 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
Spiff. I like what I've seen from you as a person. So do me this favor. Calm down. At the very least. Take a break until you're not angry anymore. Then when you come back no one can write you off as being angry.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:06 pm
by Spifflop
I'll think about it.

~Spiffy

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:08 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
Spifflop wrote:I'll think about it.

~Spiffy


Thanks <3
^that's a manly heart, btw

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:08 pm
by Dapper Stranger
Spifflop wrote:I was cursing at your case not at you directly.

You know I love you.

Maybe.

~Spiffy


Fick that. No you weren't. I'm not letting that off on some pitting it off like you're talking about an inanimate and not a person whe it's directed directly at me. Seriously fuck you if you think I should be so weak as to fall for that. Of that's the kind of bullshit you have to pull to survive as scum then you should really reevaluate how you approach this game. I called you out as scum with a good case that several people heeded in Trouser Gods like day two or three and you never acted like this, so just fucking die already scum.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:08 pm
by Passionate Storm
Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
Passionate Storm wrote:
Extrapolated Eagle wrote:None of the people in this scenario are a doctor? Then I discussed things with the patient directly. Particularly why said people might lie about her sickness.


None are. Ok, you think that people knowing her would lie. Why? Why not ask the two who know her and investigate their evidence? Why do you search for evidence they are lying?

I haven't said anything about lying, accuracy or anything else, just that the two knew the patient better.


I am not saying that I think the people who know her are lying. It is quite possible they are simply misguided. I would like to hear it from the patient themselves. Why take it from a second-hand source when you can take it from a first hand source? My parents are very good to me. They have spent a large majority of my life with me. They most likely know me best of anyone. And yet I have told them I was sick in the past and they did not believe it. My parents are possibly on the other end of the spectrum to these two people you mentioned, but you two have known Klingon for months, perhaps a year. My parents have known me for decades. They were still wrong about me and when they finally took me to the ER the doctor said "just in time why didn't you take him sooner?" It is so easy to believe something about someone or think you know someone when truly human beings are so complex that even the people who make them cannot fully understand them.

So no, I would talk to the patient themselves.


Of course people who know you can be wrong, but yet even in your scenario, the parents figured it out before it was too late. Why can't this scenario be smart parents? You know your parents loved you and they didn't want you to be ill. No one wants their kids to be ill.

Do you think it's possible that the patient may not want to admit she's ill?

All sides should be investigated. No one is going to claim they are sick after all.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:13 pm
by Spifflop
Jaqen it should obviously not be taken personally and I never made any personal attacks. I was pissed when I read your case and expressed it accordingly. I even prefaced it that bad words were going to be said and I acted similarly when you pushed the same thing in Trouser God so idk why you're suddenly so appalled by this.

Sorry if you're genuinely offended.

~Spiffy

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:14 pm
by Spifflop
Hey my first game with hiplop I bitched him out for suspecting me and look where we are now! :D

~Spiffy

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:17 pm
by Dapper Stranger
I am and that wasn't cool. It's possible to play this game as scum with tact. Look at what I did there prefacing some shit with I'm about to offend the shit out of you but don't be offended is crap. You and I both know you're scum. You don't act like this as town. That's the only satisfaction I can take away from this.

As to your one valid question of me during your diatribe- other than you there's pipsqueak and possibly Titus. I'd still burn it all to the grounding the town there are buying into that junk.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:18 pm
by Passionate Storm
EE?

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:19 pm
by Dapper Stranger
I am and that wasn't cool. It's possible to play this game as scum with tact. Look at what I did there prefacing some shit with I'm about to offend the shit out of you but don't be offended is crap. You and I both know you're scum. You don't act like this as town. That's the only satisfaction I can take away from this.

As to your one valid question of me during your diatribe- other than you there's pipsqueak and possibly Titus. I'd still burn it all to the ground if the town there are buying into that junk.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:19 pm
by Passionate Storm
I am drunk EE so I'm gunna crash soon

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:20 pm
by Passionate Storm
Fight not useful when u just say u suck no u suck

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:20 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
Passionate Storm wrote:
Of course people who know you can be wrong, but yet even in your scenario, the parents figured it out before it was too late. Why can't this scenario be smart parents? You know your parents loved you and they didn't want you to be ill. No one wants their kids to be ill.

Do you think it's possible that the patient may not want to admit she's ill?

All sides should be investigated. No one is going to claim they are sick after all.


Titus, I want to block with you. I really do. But I disagree on so many things with you. And your post earlier tonight was bad. Like really bad.

So I will drop all reads to null and reread everything when I have energy to fight again for whatever reads I come up with. Because I will fight for my reads regardless of how controversial they are.

And at that point in time if I read you as scum and anyone else we disagree on, we can discuss and perhaps come to a consensus. If I still read you as scum, though, you will have to justify the posts I find scummy to me and I don't think you will be excited about that. If you're up for this, let me know. I'll put in most of the work. But I completely understand if you don't. I'm not the easiest person to work with. I know. I try, but I'm still really bad about working with people. Oh well. It's something I'm working on.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:21 pm
by Dapper Stranger
Effin phone posting!!!!!
FTFY

Dapper Stranger wrote:I am and that wasn't cool. It's possible to play this game as scum with tact. Look at what I did in Trouser. Prefacing some shit with I'm about to offend the shit out of you but don't be offended is crap. You and I both know you're scum. You don't act like this as town. That's the only satisfaction I can take away from this.

As to your one valid question of me during your diatribe- other than you there's pipsqueak and possibly Titus. I'd still burn it all to the ground if the town there are buying into that junk.

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:22 pm
by Passionate Storm
I love intellectual sparring. These questions were thinly veiled sparring anyway. Jaquen picked it up too.

Either you are paranoid of experts or you really are filtering everything through Klingon town.

What happens in a Klingon scum world?

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:23 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle

I'm sorry! I'm trying!
Passionate Storm wrote:I am drunk EE so I'm gunna crash soon

Ok, I posted. I'm sorry it takes so long.

Passionate Storm wrote:Fight not useful when u just say u suck no u suck


Agreed.

Good night, Titus. Sleep well.