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Oh, and this too:

VOTE: Nicorobin

I'd give reasons, but apparently we don't need those anymore.

-Cerb

I really dislike the treatment elsa jay has been given. he is one of the most active players in the game and has scumhunt through and through. has been open and clear about his thought processes and role. has never been obtuse, or rude, to anyone in this game. and he is a neutral. he is not even town. and people act around elsa like they get to control his night actions, like he owes town anything. elsa owes nothing to town and we're a stupid collective if we decide to lynch elsa for not "cooperating". I'm in favour of treating neutral claims at gunpoint, but we don't even know what we want elsa to be doing in the first place, he has never disagreed on any use of his NA as of yet and has been completely willing to go with whatever town wants, and still has to be annoyed by cerb asking him to "scumhunt like the rest of us", as if elsa isn't doing that already, and as if cerb has any control over what happens to elsa if he doesn't.

-tor

I am being useful, jerkwad. Confirming the Multiball, garunteeing someone to make it to the next day with the leash strat, ive clearly been given my opinion on everything and pointing out scummy moves which are ignored.

News flash: because I town read Tora/Nancy, I am literally acting as their second vote currently. A town vote. Do you have any objections on Tora being town?

If no, then congrats. Town has a vote.

If yes, then why wouldn't you hang them instead besides being petty enough to take away my victory first and not playing town wincon?

Focus your energy where it'll be useful for town if you got it. As long as my allies are town, by definition, my vote is with town.

In post 1200, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh, and this too:

VOTE: Nicorobin

I'd give reasons, but apparently we don't need those anymore.

-Cerb

why are you being like that man?

mala has just declared a secret reason to townread RC slot, and RC has declared mala to be 100% town, so my vote on mala looks like I'm voting a mason softclaim and that'd be poor form, wouldn't it. so, I decided to go elsewhere and mala voted nico, I ISO'd it and it was empty. those are my reasons for voting nico.

-tor

elsa jay is awesome

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Flicker (3):	northsidegal (153),	the worst (1050),	BuJaber (1079),
BuJaber (3):	Flicker (497),	Skygazer (881),	CheekyTeeky (1083),
NicoRobin (3):	Malakittens (1191),	Nancy Drew Shogunate (1197),	Reasonably Rational (1200),
Reasonably Rational (2):	NicoRobin (473),	Thor665 (544),
Elsa Jay (1):	Toogeloo (729),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (1):	Chara (776),
Malakittens (1):	Elsa Jay (1007),
Not voting (3):	TPFKAP,	randomidget,	Chickadee (1120),

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

In post 1201, Nancy Drew Shogunate wrote:I really dislike the treatment elsa jay has been given. he is one of the most active players in the game and has scumhunt through and through. has been open and clear about his thought processes and role. has never been obtuse, or rude, to anyone in this game. and he is a neutral. he is not even town. and people act around elsa like they get to control his night actions, like he owes town anything. elsa owes nothing to town and we're a stupid collective if we decide to lynch elsa for not "cooperating". I'm in favour of treating neutral claims at gunpoint, but we don't even know what we want elsa to be doing in the first place, he has never disagreed on any use of his NA as of yet and has been completely willing to go with whatever town wants, and still has to be annoyed by cerb asking him to "scumhunt like the rest of us", as if elsa isn't doing that already, and as if cerb has any control over what happens to elsa if he doesn't.

-tor

Sometimes it's rough when you roll not town in a mafia game and you have to get bossed around or lynched. That's just the way things are.

Meh. Seems to me like you're trying to pocket elsa (which might be consistent with declaring such a strong townread on him from right out of the gate).

In post 1025, the worst wrote:that question was asked to throw you off, it's a pretty situational thing. subconsciously pushing for quicklynches is high scum equity, ergo really obviously pushing for quick lynches should always be considered "too dumb to be scum" in at least some respect. it felt like a pretty 2d read from you which is what prompted me to say it.

skyg is still probwolf

So BuJaber is too scummy to be scum in your opinion? I guess I could see that.

In post 1050, the worst wrote:VOTE: Flicker

Why?

P.S.

VOTE: NicoRobin

I find her thread presence (or rather, lack thereof) highly unsatisfactory.

VOTE: Robin

Probably should have did this before ruru posting the VC. But yeah, that's 4 votes now.

And lookie here, Cerb. You AND my town read is here, so saying this is a shit vote is impossible.

Anything Elsa?

Pedit: make that 5 votes.

In post 1206, northsidegal wrote:

In post 1201, Nancy Drew Shogunate wrote:I really dislike the treatment elsa jay has been given. he is one of the most active players in the game and has scumhunt through and through. has been open and clear about his thought processes and role. has never been obtuse, or rude, to anyone in this game. and he is a neutral. he is not even town. and people act around elsa like they get to control his night actions, like he owes town anything. elsa owes nothing to town and we're a stupid collective if we decide to lynch elsa for not "cooperating". I'm in favour of treating neutral claims at gunpoint, but we don't even know what we want elsa to be doing in the first place, he has never disagreed on any use of his NA as of yet and has been completely willing to go with whatever town wants, and still has to be annoyed by cerb asking him to "scumhunt like the rest of us", as if elsa isn't doing that already, and as if cerb has any control over what happens to elsa if he doesn't.

-tor

Sometimes it's rough when you roll not town in a mafia game and you have to get bossed around or lynched. That's just the way things are.

Meh. Seems to me like you're trying to pocket elsa (which might be consistent with declaring such a strong townread on him from right out of the gate).

yes, my plan was to always try to pocket this complete stranger since page 1

Are you saying that like it's supposed to be unlikely or impossible or something?

You guys are weird.

Flicker what are your thoughts on NSGs push on you?

In post 1207, Flicker wrote:VOTE: NicoRobin

I find her thread presence (or rather, lack thereof) highly unsatisfactory.

What do you think about TPFKAP's presence?

In post 1210, northsidegal wrote:Are you saying that like it's supposed to be unlikely or impossible or something?

yes I am. that's not a thought that occurs to any rational player. "I'm gonna try to pocket this person I don't know at all from pg1 forward". this is you doing a posteriori read because elsa happens to be a doc. but I couldn't know this before he claimed, so your read into it doesn't work. I'm increasingly annoyed with people pushing elsa because there's absolutely no reason to. I want elsa on our side, so there you go, maybe I am pocketing him now. but I'm right. cerb asking elsa to "scumhunt" is ridiculous. have you read elsa's ISO? I didn't, but I remember much of his posting and he is here solving.

And memeing. Never forget the memes.

bujaber isn't being scummy and I really like his read onto the me/rc thing and his progression on RC mirrors my thoughts about the slot.

-tor

this is all tor, nancy is gonna be here later.

don't love flicker's last post and I'm curious to read her respond to NSG pushing her

it troubles me that she ignored it.

It's even weirder that Cerb asks Elsa to scumhunt and makes threats after telling me to eff off when I asked them to coordinate and do the same. Le sigh.

Chara I need your reads. Please come soon.

Tor you're being dumb about RC.

In post 493, Randomnamechange wrote:ok cool got it gonna read up in a couple of hours

I know Nico technically has less posts, but this dude hasnt appeared in nearly 2 days. Atleast Robin checked in today, if only to say hi.

Any of you know this dude?

Nico and Rando both lurking is NAI ime.

In post 1219, CheekyTeeky wrote:Tor you're being dumb about RC.

look, I'm not tunneling the slot. I'll roll with yours and NSG read on the replace out anyway. I find half his posting towny, and then it got really bad before we started 1v1'ing. but the way I read the whole thing mirrors bujaber's read. it doesn't mean we're right, but when I see people thinking how I'm thinking, to me it's a good indicator they're town.

In post 1212, CheekyTeeky wrote:Flicker what are your thoughts on NSGs push on you?

In short, it's a reach. I don't feel compelled to respond to it for now - I know I'll sound defensive and I hate that, and a lot of refuting it relies on self-meta, which I don't like reading from other people. Maybe if/when I'm in more danger I'll elaborate more, but also, if I'm the lynch today, whatever. I'd rather get mislynched now than be left for the game-ending mislynch. (OTOH, so far I seem to be better at scumhunting via associatives after a couple flips, but I'm really not confident in those reads or my ability to convince others to follow them.)

Pedit: I see you have another question for me, which I promise I'll get to later. I have to get to bed now.

Did you catch up on the whole thread?