Greatest Idea VIII - Game Over

[DoubtingThomas]

isnt lich's play style just inherently scummy

[Shadowlesscloud]

isnt lich's play style just inherently scummy

Dont know, hvent played with them before and I said that I wouldnt accept other peoples meta reads

[Irrelephant11]

I could see DT as scum here. Nowhere near a priority lynch though imo

Re: Lich as Elsa’s partner. Lich was the one that ofrhz(?) pointed out was very hedge-y around Elsa’s claim, basically immediately bought my counterclaim as legit but then didn’t vote Elsa anyway. Also scummy play overall, hardly sorting and reaching bad reads, etc

[Shadowlesscloud]

I could see DT as scum here. Nowhere near a priority lynch though imo

Re: Lich as Elsa’s partner. Lich was the one that ofrhz(?) pointed out was very hedge-y around Elsa’s claim,

basically immediately bought my counterclaim as legit but then didn’t vote Elsa anyway.

Also scummy play overall, hardly sorting and reaching bad reads, etc

Didnt Sakura also do this exact thing? :/ That didnt even effect my read on him at all. Scum yes, Partner possibly, not sure that theres solid proof of the partner thing though.

[Shadowlesscloud]

I could see DT as scum here. Nowhere near a priority lynch though imo

Re: Lich as Elsa’s partner. Lich was the one that ofrhz(?) pointed out was very hedge-y around Elsa’s claim, basically immediately bought my counterclaim as legit but then didn’t vote Elsa anyway. Also scummy play overall, hardly sorting and reaching bad reads, etc

Also yeh same about DT.

[Irrelephant11]

I'm still thinking Elsa is still a Vig though.

This was also a bizarre moment

[Irrelephant11]

I’m unsure how to read Lich sometimes because his perspective on this game and mine seem to have no overlap but I kinda read it as a partner-y moment because he was trying to help Elsa get out of the 1v1

[Shadowlesscloud]

I'm still thinking Elsa is still a Vig though.

This was also a bizarre moment

Yeah this screamed scum. The fact that he believed you and didnt vote wasnt an issue.

If he thought she was Vigi but not town, then he was allowing an extra scum kp

[Irrelephant11]

I guess sort of Sakura had similar play, but only on a surface level. Sakura voted you over Elsa because even though she didn’t know which of us was telling the truth, she thought your play in the midst of it was opportunistic. He never felt informed about who was telling the truth like Lich did
DT didn’t really do the same thing at all, but I guess it’s not out of the question he’s mafia (especially given his reaction to the Lich wagon so far)...

[Irrelephant11]

I guess sort of Sakura had similar play, but only on a surface level. Sakura voted you over Elsa because even though she didn’t know which of us was telling the truth, she thought your play in the midst of it was opportunistic. He never felt informed about who was telling the truth like Lich did
DT didn’t really do the same thing at all, but I guess it’s not out of the question he’s mafia (especially given his reaction to the Lich wagon so far)...

*she never
Typing too fast, sorry sakura <3

[Shadowlesscloud]

mm. Both Performer and Lich are juicy targets today. Has Perf claimed yet? Lich claimed Seer (Though the claim is iffy)

[Shadowlesscloud]

I guess sort of Sakura had similar play, but only on a surface level. Sakura voted you over Elsa because even though she didn’t know which of us was telling the truth, she thought your play in the midst of it was opportunistic. He never felt informed about who was telling the truth like Lich did
DT didn’t really do the same thing at all, but I guess it’s not out of the question he’s mafia (especially given his reaction to the Lich wagon so far)...

Remember its Multiball. Why are you looking for exact associations? DT and Lich can be different factions

[Irrelephant11]

Ok. Let's say both are scum, since this is a multiball. Let's say that Lich is probably Elsa's partner, and Performer is not (wolf, alien or sk for example)

What's the best course of action? There's too much WIFOM to discuss in here, but reducing a different faction's power sounds like a fine idea

My thought on this is aiming for mafia is currently our best bet and then hope cross kills happen
We know mafia is down one number, and we have associatives to work from, which isn’t true of any other potential groupscum. Hitting mafia is more guaranteed and more likely than other groupscums to be the last of that group, reducing the number of nightkills
It’s also dangerous to try to hit SK because sometimes scummy town give off SK vibes
I’m not a helpful town PR so maybe there’s an element of nightplay that should play into this but idk what that would be and doubt there’s a good way for town to share it without giving up too much info

Pedit: and here’s my answer to that question!

[Irrelephant11]

Oh but also I wasn’t really trying to tie DT and Lich together I was just responding to your “didn’t DT respond to Elsa similarly to Lich” to which my answer is “not really imo but they could both be the same kind of scum anyway in which case it’s still a good idea to lynch Lich”

[Xtoxm]

if lich is town he needs to head to the newbie queue and learn how to claim
half the game is just absent atm and the game is starting to stall for it

[Shadowlesscloud]

Ok. Let's say both are scum, since this is a multiball. Let's say that Lich is probably Elsa's partner, and Performer is not (wolf, alien or sk for example)

What's the best course of action? There's too much WIFOM to discuss in here, but reducing a different faction's power sounds like a fine idea

My thought on this is aiming for mafia is currently our best bet and then hope cross kills happen
We know mafia is down one number, and we have associatives to work from, which isn’t true of any other potential groupscum. Hitting mafia is more guaranteed and more likely than other groupscums to be the last of that group, reducing the number of nightkills
It’s also dangerous to try to hit SK because sometimes scummy town give off SK vibes
I’m not a helpful town PR so maybe there’s an element of nightplay that should play into this but idk what that would be and doubt there’s a good way for town to share it without giving up too much info

Pedit: and here’s my answer to that question!

in my experience, lynching scummy people works out better then lynching people that have associations with flipped scum

[Shadowlesscloud]

Oh but also I wasn’t really trying to tie DT and Lich together I was just responding to your “didn’t DT respond to Elsa similarly to Lich” to which my answer is “not really imo but they could both be the same kind of scum anyway in which case it’s still a good idea to lynch Lich”

I never said DT did? Only Sakura

[Irrelephant11]

I don’t necessarily disagree but in the context of “should we lynch TL or Perf” they seem pretty equally scummy to me and TL has the added bonus of associatives with flipped scum, which imo would make it more likely we’d eliminate a faction in one lynch

I think Performer also has high scum equity though so if you think it’s important performer be lynched first I could swing there

[Irrelephant11]

Oh but also I wasn’t really trying to tie DT and Lich together I was just responding to your “didn’t DT respond to Elsa similarly to Lich” to which my answer is “not really imo but they could both be the same kind of scum anyway in which case it’s still a good idea to lynch Lich”

I never said DT did? Only Sakura

I could see DT as scum here. Nowhere near a priority lynch though imo

Re: Lich as Elsa’s partner. Lich was the one that ofrhz(?) pointed out was very hedge-y around Elsa’s claim, basically immediately bought my counterclaim as legit but then didn’t vote Elsa anyway. Also scummy play overall, hardly sorting and reaching bad reads, etc

Also yeh same about DT.

[Irrelephant11]

Oh I get what you meant. My bad

[Shadowlesscloud]

I don’t necessarily disagree but in the context of “should we lynch TL or Perf” they seem pretty equally scummy to me and TL has the added bonus of associatives with flipped scum, which imo would make it more likely we’d eliminate a faction in one lynch

I think Performer also has high scum equity though so if you think it’s important performer be lynched first I could swing there

I very much doubt there are only 2 mafia.

I can see 1/2 man Wolfs or Aliens but noone has thrown away a mafia card so im expecting 2 or 3 more at the least.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Oh I get what you meant. My bad

Yeh, I was meaning I felt the same about him being scum but not a priority lynch, which is what i said earlier in the day

[Irrelephant11]

I thought there was one maf discard? And there’s maximum 9 non-town with at least three of them being not mafia... I guess that doesn’t say much about how many mafia are left. Hm.
Do you feel strongly Performer is a better lynch than TL?

[pinturicchio]

I'm not completely against it, but my point about his D1 play still stands: felt like too scummy to be scum. I think he's lynchabait and there are better options, like Lich and DT

Youd rather lynch someone who has been generally inactive compared to someone who has been actively scummy?

No, you're right. I should reassess that, 'cause I missed what dave pointed out: DT said he would be absent.

But why Perfomer before Lich?

I'm not completely against it, but my point about his D1 play still stands: felt like too scummy to be scum. I think he's lynchabait and there are better options, like Lich and DT

this is bad

And you missing a post four posts later is...

[Xtoxm]

i still think theres a good chance aliens dont exist, look at the discards

maf vig
maf something
ww
sk

explains the kills