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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:59 am
by Tana and Ephraim
In post 1198, popsofctown wrote:188 is the post I liked a whole lot.
Presumably I'm alone in that.
A townread for a truly, obviously NAI thing?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:03 am
by popsofctown
I thought it seemed town-indicative for Chaos Wind because Chaos Wind identified that Titus did something town do more often than scum, then gave her some credit for it.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:04 am
by Tana and Ephraim
But she doesn't. It's literally a super basic thing, getting voted and then focusing on the wagon. Most people do it as most alignments. It's not some special thing to townread someone for.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:08 am
by popsofctown
Well. Suppose Chaos Wind is stupid as I am. Isn't it town indicative for Chaos Wind, then?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:10 am
by Tana and Ephraim
I don't believe that they're bad enough to consecutively generate two bullshit reads and I do believe that those would be high up on the likeliness for scum them to provide.
I also believe based on gut view of the gamestate up to this point that scum are going to be extremely reluctant to bus and I don't townread you so your defense of CW is ++ to me honestly.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 am
by Bitmap
I don't like pops this game.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 am
by popsofctown
I'm not trying to get you to unvote. I'm just jamming.

I like when you explain things.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 am
by Lady Eventide
In post 1193, Tana and Ephraim wrote:
In post 1191, Lady Eventide wrote:You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.
What are you gonna do about it?
What do you think all my previous posts were, chopped liver?

Also, this:

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:14 am
by Bitmap
VOTE: pops

Why are you defending such a bad slot? Are you trying to appease to Chaos Wind and other scummy players?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:16 am
by Bitmap
In post 1207, Lady Eventide wrote:
In post 1193, Tana and Ephraim wrote:
In post 1191, Lady Eventide wrote:You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.
What are you gonna do about it?
What do you think all my previous posts were, chopped liver?

Also, this:

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim
this is a bad vote

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:17 am
by popsofctown
Could you rewrite 1208 so it's coherent?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:18 am
by Tana and Ephraim
I mean LE said they were good as scum, not as town :]

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:18 am
by Bitmap
In post 1210, popsofctown wrote:Could you rewrite 1208 so it's coherent?
Why are you defending someone who is scummy? Are you trying to sway/pocket Chaos Wind into voting in your favor? You did this to me the last two times you were scum so I don't like how you're defending Chaos Wind.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:19 am
by Bitmap
In Dance Game/Guns and Roses, you pocketed me, a pretty scummy slot in a defense the same way you are doing here. It pings me as really off.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:27 am
by Tana and Ephraim
I agree that Pops is scummy.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:30 am
by Tana and Ephraim
I'm not sure why I'm not voting her tbh.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:30 am
by popsofctown
I actually wasn't trying to earn your vote. I don't think I ever fake a townread on a player when I play scum. I try to think about what behaviors town!pops would townread or scumread and mimick that as closely as I can. I've come to realize that it results in bussing my partners too often, so I've been adjusting the scum side of that, but I haven't adjusted the town side of that very much.

I said I townread you because I thought town!pops would have townread you. I said I scumread your day 2 play because I thought town!pops would probably scumread your day 2 play. I only lied about nullreading my partner GoldenRobster and then when things started to narrow I had to fake scumreads on everyone but me of course.

I found it pretty surprising that RC moved his vote from LE onto CW after using pretty strong wording for how scummy he thinks I am, since that represents a heavy gap in judgment when I townread that slot. So I was curious to dig into why. He could convince me wrong. I'm not sure whether I'm persuaded yet but now I at least understand his perspective better.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:32 am
by popsofctown
In post 1213, Bitmap wrote:In Dance Game/Guns and Roses, you pocketed me, a pretty scummy slot in a defense the same way you are doing here. It pings me as really off.
You seemed really town motivated day 1 of Guns and Roses. I'm not sure how so much of the town didn't see that. You quite possibly won town the entire game because I didn't get my ideal partner, Dunnstral, who did identify that townspew, and who is more stable and wouldn't have left me in endgame, I don't think. You ought to recognize that.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:32 am
by Tana and Ephraim
Didn't I already say that your townread on CW was a contributing factor to my wanting CW lynched?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:33 am
by popsofctown
Yes? I don't know why you need to say it twice? No one's said otherwise?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:34 am
by Lady Eventide
In post 1209, Bitmap wrote:
In post 1207, Lady Eventide wrote:
In post 1193, Tana and Ephraim wrote:
In post 1191, Lady Eventide wrote:You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.
What are you gonna do about it?
What do you think all my previous posts were, chopped liver?

Also, this:

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim
this is a bad vote
Why?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:35 am
by popsofctown
In post 1220, Lady Eventide wrote:
In post 1209, Bitmap wrote:
In post 1207, Lady Eventide wrote:
In post 1193, Tana and Ephraim wrote:
In post 1191, Lady Eventide wrote:You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.
What are you gonna do about it?
What do you think all my previous posts were, chopped liver?

Also, this:

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim
this is a bad vote
Why?
Well, for one, it won't do anything without 8 votes just like it, and that's not going to happen.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:37 am
by Lady Eventide
In post 1221, popsofctown wrote:
In post 1220, Lady Eventide wrote:
In post 1209, Bitmap wrote:
In post 1207, Lady Eventide wrote:
In post 1193, Tana and Ephraim wrote:
In post 1191, Lady Eventide wrote:You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.
What are you gonna do about it?
What do you think all my previous posts were, chopped liver?

Also, this:

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim
this is a bad vote
Why?
Well, for one, it won't do anything without 8 votes just like it, and that's not going to happen.
Sure as hell won't happen if not even
I'm
willing to post it in the first place. Also, this question was directed at Bitmap specifically, so please refrain from horning in.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:38 am
by Bitmap
In post 1216, popsofctown wrote:I actually wasn't trying to earn your vote. I don't think I ever fake a townread on a player when I play scum. I try to think about what behaviors town!pops would townread or scumread and mimick that as closely as I can. I've come to realize that it results in bussing my partners too often, so I've been adjusting the scum side of that, but I haven't adjusted the town side of that very much.

I said I townread you because I thought town!pops would have townread you. I said I scumread your day 2 play because I thought town!pops would probably scumread your day 2 play. I only lied about nullreading my partner GoldenRobster and then when things started to narrow I had to fake scumreads on everyone but me of course.

I found it pretty surprising that RC moved his vote from LE onto CW after using pretty strong wording for how scummy he thinks I am, since that represents a heavy gap in judgment when I townread that slot. So I was curious to dig into why. He could convince me wrong. I'm not sure whether I'm persuaded yet but now I at least understand his perspective better.
Ok, I see somewhat. It's just that your play is close to what I see from scum!pops.

@LE: Why do you want to lynch the N1 kill bait? Also, pretty sure that slot is town based on Sakura's postings.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:39 am
by popsofctown
post 971 is indeed a really really bad post. I don't think it has to be SvS to be a really bad post.