Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[Zenith]

ok i'm gonna try one last time to clarify what i'm asking in 1 post
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before this unvote:

UNVOTE:
Because replacement is here.

DDL/teacher was at L-1. Zenith was the 2nd vote so he's the one who put it in L-1, meaning that he thinks ddl

HAS TO BE mafia

, otherwise he wouldn't risk the vote in lylo.

but when teacher replaces DDL, he unvotes because of the replacement. if he's so sure that ddl was mafia, then why does he unvote there?

i think this is as clear as i can make it, and if it still doesn't make sense then idk

I was confident there was scum between ddl/tictac because of how long tictac's vote had been sitting there. With a small townlean on tictac i leaned more towards ddl being scum. Was an educated gamble based on poe that happened to pay off. I unvoted when the replacement came because common courtesy and I'm not a fan of quickhammers. I'd much rather state intent to hammer and give time for final words than have someone else come along and quickhammer, then have to rely on twilight to maybe get final words or else miss out. Maybe you get some decent info from it and maybe not, but overall it seems like a good habit to practice.

[Zenith]

I'm not confidant about which one of you is scum, but I'm leaning towards scum skitter.

Also, if I had to choose between losing to scum skitter or scum january, I think I'd rather lose to scum january, because I wouldn't want to lose in lylo vs scum skitter with that sig mocking me..

[Zenith]

"Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead. ~ NMSA"

Yea no thanks.. Sorry if this loses us the game, but after considering everything, I think I'll pass on being fed dull razor blades.
VOTE: skitter

If I'm wrong, then sorry and gg.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 4.02

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Lynching

With 3 votes in play, it takes 2 to lynch.

skitter30

(1): Zenith

Not Voting

(2): january, skitter30

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-21 08:50:00).

Mod notes:

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[january]

hm

[january]

hey @skit this is a kinda weird question but who did you think i was more likely to lynch at the beginning of today

@zenith u too i guess

[january]

i promise this question is (somewhat) relevant

[Zenith]

Yay! Well, you didn't hammer so that clears you. Meaning I chose right and skitter is definitely scum.

I dunno who you were more likely to vote, though if skitter's half as good as her reputation suggests, i wouldn't be surprised if I ended up being the one lynched today.

Regardless, the power to decide who wins is up to you January. You can eat her razor blades if you want, but I wouldn't recommend it.

[Zenith]

If I had to guess what skit was planning, she was going to dig around for things to fit her narrative, any excuse to lynch me, like the newb card excuse shes been setting up the entire game and recently trying to push, then she would have voted me (which she admitted to being the likely scenario) and I would have voted her back, and we would be pretty much in a similar spot to where we are now, with me and skitter pointing the finger at each other, though it would have taken longer.

Maybe it's the honey brandy talking, but if skitter is half as scary as people make her out to be then maybe she wins you over and game over. At least this way I can go down swinging rather than passively waiting for her to slit my throat.

Even if we don't win, I'll still be satisfied about having been able to somehow find both the scum in my first game. ^_^

[january]

oh is skit gone for the weekend i guess we just wait

[january]

1207 really feels like ur sucking up to a clear was there any point in saying any of that

[Zenith]

I had a good bit of honey brandy and was hyped to have not voted for the wrong person.

[skitter30]

VOTE: zenith

Sweet, this isnt my problem to solve anymore

[skitter30]

hey @skit this is a kinda weird question but who did you think i was more likely to lynch at the beginning of today

@zenith u too i guess

Honestly idk, i wasnt thinking about the game in those terms. Looking back probably zenith but i could see you swing either way.

Let me know if you want or need anything from me

[skitter30]

1207 really feels like ur sucking up to a clear was there any point in saying any of that

I mean that and he's basically trying to get you to paranoia lynch me.

@zenith why am i scum?

[Zenith]

1207 really feels like ur sucking up to a clear was there any point in saying any of that

I mean that and he's basically trying to get you to paranoia lynch me.

@zenith why am i scum?

Because scum january wouldn't have a reason to pass on the chance to hammer.

[skitter30]

I mean ....

Let's try this: why did you vote me instead of january?

[Zenith]

I mean ....

Let's try this: why did you vote me instead of january?

I got tipsy, was looking over your iso, considering your potential motivations, weighing chances of skitter scum vs January scum. Was already leaning towards skitter scum, but then the final straw was when your sig looked at me funny and I thought about if I were to lose, who would I rather lose to? So I wasn't super confident but just said duck it and voted you. The brandy probably played a role in me pulling the trigger.

So yea, with january cleared you have to be scum. Like 99.9% sure you are scum, leaving 0.1% for extremely unlikely weirdness, like scum january not wanting to quickhammer for the win, or someone somehow misreading their role pm or something.. I'm not sure why you aren't voting me back yet. It seems kind of strange. There's no chance of January getting lynched at this point, meaning it's just you or me. So unless you want to give up, it would seem like your only chance is to push for my lynch. Why are you stalling?

[Zenith]

Nevermind, you are voting for me. Duunno how I missed that.

[skitter30]

ok so your argument for scum!me basically boils down to you thinking in a general meta sense that i have a good scumgame?

can you point to why you think *in this game* i'm scum (ie before january became conftown, obvs)

[Zenith]

You make it sound like I shouldn't even try to read skitter, like I should just hope that she is town because scum skitter sounds scary.

@drdo
Where has skitter demanded scum pt screenshot levels of evidence? If you can find where she has clearly done this, then I'll be willing to vote her with you.

I was also drawn into Vork's narrative a bit. There are some things in there that make sense to me, and looks like he is trying and maybe found something, but upon closer inspection there are things coming from his perspective that really don't belong, but you don't notice the finger in the soup because it was well prepped and delicious.

Just saying, maybe you should re-read their ISOs with that in mind, and keep an eye out for skitter demanding scum pt screenshot levels of evidence. Also keep an eye out for Vork manipulating skitter's words to fit into his narrative. The soup tasted good at first, but when I noticed the finger I had to spit it out.. <_>

Hmm... All of a sudden is lagging much less..

I suppose if I were forced to vote someone right now. Due to the events leading to Vork's death I'm most wary of skitter right now.

Plus that skitter signature keeps staring at me.. =\

I've had suspicions of you since early on, but have been triple guessing my read of you because of your meta/reputation, and mostly defaulting to giving up and giving you a town pass in the hopes that town skitter would be an asset. I'm not personally a fan of relying on meta, and I'd never go seeking it out myself, but when other people bring it into the game thread, it can bee difficult to ignore. At one point I even defended you because of the town pass, though also because I thought the reasoning for ddl pushing you was rooted in vork's narrative, which was simply wasn't legit/was incorrect. In hindsight though, what have you actually done this game? You've led mislynches and it seems like you've been grooming me to be lynched also..

[Zenith]

You make it sound like I shouldn't even try to read skitter, like I should just hope that she is town because scum skitter sounds scary.

Correct
Excellent

I'm so glad we're on the same page.

There are many people who brag about such abilities/skills (particularly in their sigs), but IMHO skitter is someone who's probably actually legitimately deserved phrases like these thrown her way

[Zenith]

- this isn't just to massage my ego, i'm actually going somewhere with this: do you know what the banner beneath my name is for?

[skitter30]

Ok so you picked me over january due to paranoia, got it

[january]

ahhhh

ok so my standing scumread from before today was definitely skitter

but rn i think zenith's been scummier

and tictac seems to be saying zenith is scummier and its just making me more conflicted

hate pressure