Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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If I have to go before LyLo there's really no reason that shouldn't be today.

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And, uh, my slot is a really easy one for scum to take a towny looking position on as well.

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like i think you're like fl in that you care about your scumgame more than your towngame

Also this really isn't true

I detest playing scum. I barely posted as scum this year except to bring us through Gameshow which was Uber scumsided.

This isn't about my alignment.

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Serious question Skitter actually

Why is this different from Seaside?

I took basically the exact same tac as scum there

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Why are you "confused" by a style of play you've only seem from scum me

Idgi

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Like excluding my alignment this game is a perfect parallel to Seaside

And yet you haven't commented on that a single time and are "confused" and saying weird waffley shit where you keep calling me town but have me as confscum but won't vote me

I don't get it, I really don't.

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and my wanting to quicklynch RC for the TW lynch.

Why the flip do you want this

We're friends right? And you think I'm town?

Sorry what?

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Skitter you need to talk to me about this game and Seaside.

That was literally the game where I powerlynched Mathdino (TW) then acted all resigned to being lynched because I knew I had been guiltied and was in fact baiting the cop checks because I gut felt it was cop Neapolitan

Like, it's the game that your paranoia of me comes from

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Atp I genuinely think not lynching me is pro-scum. Everything I know about you says you'd want me dead ASAP. I don't get it. Talk me through it.

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And you're not interested in doing that w/ me, Ari?

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Ok so basically you're saying I have to shit up the game to get town to play optimally

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And you're not interested in doing that w/ me, Ari?

I dont think it will help us read each other, bor others read us, so not particularly.

Also I think we are pretty much on the same page already so it is a little redundant.

I can if you wanna realtime, RC I just don't think the benefits are as high as they could be with someone like Skitty

Jesus Christ dude.

You realize that regardless of D1 I'm pretty good at mafia right

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Ok so basically you're saying I have to shit up the game to get town to play optimally

if that's at me no that's not what i said at all and i have no idea how you came to that conclusion

I want out. It's optimal to let me out.

I don't get why you're making me be here.

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RC what’s your read on Skitter?

I'm not sure anymore tbh

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If you incorrectly think I'm confscum then it is against town win condition to leave me alive for people to incorrectly make associatives reads based on my being scum. You *just* finished arguing that Math should unvote Ari because he's not scum with me. It's not hard to see that there is an issue here that needs to be resolved.

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Skitter to be blunt you're talking out both sides of your mouth with regards to your read on me and I'm starting to wonder if it's because you're scum who is scared to be the first one on.

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Hmm

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I mean.
You're literally lining up my mislynch anyway
Why does it matter when it happens really

You lining up reads behind my scumflip is completely unokay and I should (and you should agree with me) be calling you out for it and telling you that you're making a mistake and should vote me before you make up your mind.

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What are the odds that Skitter/Aristophanes is a thing?

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This is exhausting, what the hell

Ari i am thoroughly underwhelmed

Was there anything particularly addreased to me in the last like 6 pages, because i didnt really read them

I almost want to lynch in {tw/rc} now just to resolve this mess and move on

>Ari I am thoroughly underwhelmed
>I want to lunch in TW/RC though

[RadiantCowbells]

The gamestate really doesn't make sense

Something is wrong

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UNVOTE:

Plum if you're town I really need you to show that to me

Pick a time that you can be on and can we talk

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Skitter you literally told Math that you weren't considering Ari because I was confscum and Ari wasn't my buddy then in your NEXT POST you talked about how my defeatism pointed to me being town.

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Ari why are you sucking up to everyone besides me

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Skitter if your team was telling you to vote me

Why aren't you doing it

You are the LAST PERSON on MS who gives me a break

So what's your read on Ari now

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Ari

Why aren't you defending me if you think I'm town

You made a big show yesterday

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??m?m??

Half of the thread has said I'm confscum and must be lynched before endgame? No one besides you actually disagrees enough to say I should not be lynched at all? How do you get that perspective

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Like Skitter is calling me scum right now

You're not stepping in...?

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When I have said like ten dozen times I have no interest in fighting my own lynch today? How does that make sense as a position to hold?

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lol

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why is that?

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If I'm scum and I want out the worst that happens is that a day gets wasted rje best that happens is you don't give me more time to selfspew town? The deck is incredibly stacked here

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I kind of struggle to believe that if you think I'm scum I'm cornered and that I don't have some way out of it if you don't actually engage the process of lynching me.

I have no struggle believing you as scum see that I've given up and find it valuable to not be the one to hard drive it

I'm struggling a lot here

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No you would not be doing me a disservice if you stepped in ro defend me right now I literally am asking people to hurry the fuck up and lynch me how can you possibly post that

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rc there's literally like a third of the game not playing rn

Ok

And you can't force them to play

Because they know that in the end everyone is gonna turn around and lynch me

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As long as I'm alive scum doesn't have to be afraid of anything your threats have no teeth. This isn't how mafia works

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No you would not be doing me a disservice if you stepped in ro defend me right now I literally am asking people to hurry the fuck up and lynch me how can you possibly post that

k but you're not today's lynch if ever so

???

How can you even say that when 4 people have expressed interest in lynching me out of 6 who have actually given thoughts

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you're somehow coming to the conclusion that 'wanting to sort other people first' means 'i'm trying to avoid your lynch' which is not at all what i've been saying and i feel is a gross mischaracterization of my position

If you're town vote me in your next post and I won't do anything to prevent my lynch

If you don't do that I am going to do everything in my power to keep my slot alive

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You have 1 more chance

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bullshit.

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JJH927 Last visited:Yesterday, 10:09 pm

So, want to talk about how the person who isn't here told you to lynch me?

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Why would he be telling you to lynch me for stuff he hasn't read

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ok he logged on

VOTE: RC

please hammer me asap, my slot is town and you guys will lose if you continue to make reads based on my associatives as if I'm scum, thanks.

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I'm dedicating the rest of my time alive to roasting the shit out of TW's scumread of me until I'm lynched.

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this is a more intense slow game than your scum slow game i... think?
i'm not into this game yet at all, but i am happy you're enjoying it.

i'm really confused because my slow i meant completely devoid of intensity? I feel like there's been virtually no, like, force behind anything that I've done and that's what I meant by slow moreso

have you like, read your low intensity scum games lol

this post made my the worst formally acknowledges the fact that he's aware that I have barely posted as scum over the last year.
I have plenty of town games at a similar rate of posting to this game. The most I ever posted was Gameshow which I even said at the time was a one-off and I posted less than a quarter of the posts per day as here. This is even high for my town games, obviously, but TW in this post shows his awareness of my general scum activity meta.
He still chose to call me scum in this game despite knowing that.

I mean idc regarding Jjh927, he can use invisibility or not use it at his leisure.

[RadiantCowbells]

Am I being mean regarding TW here

does he kinda deserve it for starting that 1v1

who knows rly

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no flopz is not scummy.

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I'm not entirely sure it's scummy, mind you. But it's objectively weird. I dunno what to do about it.

I think I'm just second-guessing myself tbh. I don't really think you're scum but I'm scared that you somehow might be.

Can you further clarify where the "minimum one scum between RC, TW, Ari" comes from?
Also if you have me as like, not likely scum, why are you surprised that other people aren't going after me

The gamestate was utterly fucked and I find it hard to believe that no scum was involved in making it that way. I'm surprised other's aren't going after you becuase they weren't TReading you to the extent that I was and multiple people said that they'd go for you if Duck turned out to be Town but then that didn't end up happening. I would have thought that if a lot of people were unsure about you they would try and push your lynch after the ML.

Thanks for talking to me.

Lol, np. I should have been doing this during the previous day but everything was just so messy.

Has what I've been saying made any sense? I know my skills aren't really up to snuff so it's helpful to know where I'm going wrong.

Plum/Tris/Teacher?

Why Tris but not Ari?

sorry these aren't scummy posts.

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rc are you going to be communicating through those for long, because it's going to get annoying really quickly

Oh, I suppose we differ in our enjoyment of RC and his lovable antics here...

Tris, Plum, Skitter scumteam. Calling it now.

How did Skitter become a scumread at this point?

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I... don't understand that take.

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I just realized how many times Skitter called a specific thing that Ari posted scummy in some way and then decided he was town when the pressure relented.

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I want to talk to Plum.

If I think Plum is town you have my vote.

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Actually I'm not sure how much it matters, if scum are getting wagoned they'll just take the lynch on me today.

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Actually I'm not sure how much it matters, if scum are getting wagoned they'll just take the lynch on me today.

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that's the problem with people doing what TW did when they really have no right to be doing so.
my existence is super useful for scum until the game as a whole decides to move on from me, either by agreeing i'm town or lynching me.
like, if I am leading in an incorrect direction they can follow me and pin the blame on me. If I am leading in the right direction, they use the bad townies to lynch me and blame the bad townies.

it's a no-win situation really and it was completely, entirely preventable. i mean, TW made a point dozens of times about he was responsible for forcing the 1v1 so ig he's taking blame for it.

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vote me then?

idg why you're wasting time talking about it unless you want to make another case i can laugh at

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But TW isn't with like everything that he's done that's buddying?

> wow tw is so buddying
> can't come up with a single buddying thing tw has done



so just gonna re-state i compulsively buddy and have in every single game for like two years. these people are my buddies. i'm pretty capable of pocketing, but my brand of pocketing has not come out at all this game. like to my meta i'm really fucking transparently town and the fact you're not seeing any of this for a moment is getting kinda obscene

oh yeah look at this beautiful one
"wow rc can't come up with a single instance of me buddying" aka i'm not bothering because he buddies in pretty much every single post
"also I compulsively buddy and have done so every single game for years"

my meta i'm really fucking transparently town and the fact you're not seeing any of this for a moment is getting kinda obscene

why doesn't that apply to me tho

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oh boy

investment is a massive one, i have never posted even close to this rate as scum and all 4 members of cancel food are(were) aware of that fact
the fact that I chose to post as much as I did when I have been extremely reluctant to play scumgames for the past year and I had every excuse to tone it down
the general read progression is something that i cannot fake as scum and it's been the one thing i've constantly cited as something i can't fake as scum with 0 counterexamples.
the speed that my brain works when i'm trying to sort as town that TW called out as prewritten, that's how i hunt scum and there are again, 0 examples of me functioning that rapidly as scum

compare the coherence of me vs TW to me vs chesskid. chesskid i mostly just stuck to the same bullet points and just said them alot (which chesskid was doing as well at the time)
i was constantly bringing new stuff up, my reads on everyone else evolved in parallel, i was considering other voting options and the way that the gamestate around me affected my vote
did i miss the fact that TW was town? yes. and i was never going to see it because when i get in that kind of adrenalined up mode it really stops being possible for me to power down.
whereas TW mostly stopped giving reads on other people and just focused on me and seemed to just be taking whichever opinion on everyone else made the most allies
which, yeah, i get now that he was just super super tilted and wanted to take me out of the game moreso than scumread me but like

and i truly think that tw's push on me was disingenuous and obviously so and that even at my best i am going to struggle to see it when someone like TW pushes on me in a manner like that
also, like, there's still absolutely zero motivation to claim investigative on D1 and there's still a 0% chance that scum brings me to late game as a result of it.
i think i pointed out in a recent scumgame when someone pushed on me in a really stupid way early that they only helped scum!me because it's pretty difficult for me to justify mislynches as town except in situations where i have reason to be very out of sorts with the game. this is the kind of error and pretty much the only not-super-rare error that i systematically make as town.

i can't function when i don't feel like i have a stable foundation in the game because fear of being mislynched starts to outweigh everything and i can't relax and i can't sort if i can't relax.
that's why when i get in 1v1s like duckling i just all in and end them.

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a better argument than i literally cannot be scum here is that i was never given the chance to show that i was town.
but there's really a lot of reasons to townread me and not really reasons to scumread me outside of username.

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i don't think any player on ms would figure out to townread someone who told them they claimed investigative so that they had an excuse to be alive longer.

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i don't struggle in real time by general MS standards as scum. in fact quite the opposite i'm probably the best real time poster as scum. but i'm not this good as scum whereas town me who thinks they saw something with regards to TW voting Ari twice, never commenting on him, then unvoting and Ari putting TW as a townread with no commentary is absolutely going to jump it. And, uh, TW claims that I was supposed to anticipate his voting me to "prewrite it" when he had only expressed a townread on me to that point to discredit that argument, which really doesn't make sense and to me obviously reads like he knows that I'm town and is trying to preemptively shut down vectors for me to be tr

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like me just compulsively posting thoughts that don't really go anywhere at the time doesn't happen as scum. as scum i know what i want done. i don't have the same interest in just rereading and thinking about things

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man.

i really don't know why i was townreading skitter ever.

i feel like that was not a thing that i should have been doing.

i feel like her response to my play here has been disgustingly scummy.

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ari's posts on this page are all awful

Obv*

And so what he ended the day early? He also like, delayed that hammer to let the thread continue for a while which I don't think had any protown use to it.

I think you're reading way more into his motivations, Bella.
And I think you scumreading me is tainting your view on him.

also this is p bad ^

i kinda prefer to start with plum over ari tbh

the tris thing is more from plum than ari to clarify

i'm not really into full-team-solving at this stage, there isn't any confirmed datapoints and then we get a repeat of yesterday

Obv*

And so what he ended the day early? He also like, delayed that hammer to let the thread continue for a while which I don't think had any protown use to it.

I think you're reading way more into his motivations, Bella.
And I think you scumreading me is tainting your view on him.

also this is p bad ^

this was the worst part of ari's entrance today imo ^

i don't think we should be sorting rc by proxy anymore
if he's scummy we should just vote him

lynching ari to figure out rc's wagonomics feels very ~convoluted~ and we tried to do that yesterday even and now people aren't really taking into account the outcome of the experiement, so i'm a little dubious that using ari as a second proxy will be effective

plum's tw vote was scary and while there's (a few) things that i like about ari i can remember just ... like two (?) posts from plum that i liked and on balance i feel worse about her than ari

i think ari is independantly scummy but using him to sort rc is silly

i feel worse about plum so would rather there
if there isn't as much support for that i can switch to ari but i'd rather pressure plum rn

because i think her vote on tw was awful and i don't think she's done anything townie really at all and i think she's the best bet for scum on the wagon barring rc

also i'm not sure ari defends tw that strongly if he could just be like 'i sr tw vote: tw' upon catching up if he's scum

we can pressure ari too
but like i can think of reasons to tr ari
but i don't really have reasons to tr plum

also, again, i'm very wary of the whole team-reading/solve thing with no scum flips at this point

more that i was commiting to that then than anything else
i also think i may be reading too much into this particular interaction and that i have a tendency to get paranoid about this sort of thing

VOTE: plum

i've been sleeping poorly so i'm going to bounce and try to sleep but i'll be around tom at some point

pedit is that at me?

i sr plum more and would rather see her react to some pressure than push ari rn

i didn't sr ari for most of the mess yesterday, most of what i disliked from him came *after* he popped back in on sunday.
so i objected to that push because i didn't think he was scum at the time
i p much gave up protesting that after like round 500 of the rc / ari thing because i couldn't do it anymore, it was too draining

and i object to the characterization of my play as 'riling up rc' when i deliberately played to do my best to not do that
idk what you mean by 'sidestepping plum + tris + skitter' day1, i do believe i've made my opinions on both of them very clear

i don't object to ari i just want to pressure other people and i'm kinda confused why you're complaining to my wanting to start the day voting someone who was a non-entity for large parts of the day and who i don't think we've heard from enough.

like we have time
we can do ari today
rn i want to do other things

also me/ari/rc is ridiculous

We should 100% vote who RC did not want us to vote yesterday and the fact a majority of town scumreads Ari is a bonus.

Ari should eat rope. Then if Ari is scum RC. Then maaaybe Skitter or Plum.

I needs me some nukes

you realize rc almost got ari lynched yesterday, right?

like if rc is bussing ari then why does he hard back off there

it's a bit of a bizarre svs play

honestly i really need to go to sleep and i don't think i can process figuring it out if voting you is a good idea when you post things like that and i'm this tired

so i'm gonna bounce

pedit ari got up to l-1 and if i recall correctly there was at least one intent (mabye not explicit intent but iirc most people were ok with his lynch just then)
and then rc like hard-reversed and the thing dropped

and i think that between {ari/rc} ari flips usually before rc so he wouldn't tie himself that atrociously to a bizarre ari flip that could be revisited because he'd riled up so much fervor for it and then not carried it through

*bizarre ari push

like it's such a silly way to tie himself to someone who is probably going to flip before him that it seems just plain weird to not commit to the bus if rc was going to go that route
i'm not really sure i buy the svs {ari/rc} theory

Like I am pretty sure you’re trying to rile me up to lynch you so we don’t lynch Ari but maaan.

this doesn't even make sense ....
it's too convoluted to make sense ...

math, can you explain what exactly scum!rc was thinking yesterday when he nearly brought scum!ari to a lynch and then suddenly backed off,
and then why he'd today be trying to rile you up to lynch him over ari when we all know that rc is a better scum player who is acutely aware of bussing and is more likely to endgame in vaccuum ... ?

i kinda just hate like everything he's saying but scum!him doesn't make sense with scum!rc here imo @math

Does this still stand, skitter? You think RC is confscum now or?

i think so, ya
i don't think he's scum with ari tho
and i think voting ari to sort rc is ridiculous

but before we like ~do that~ i wanna sort other people because he's being kinda quiescent rn
he needs to be resolved by tomorrow's lynch at the latest tho

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What prompted this sudden change of your game-long scumread on me?

positioning wrt tw, i think it's easier to pop in when u did and push him for a lynch than defend him

math i don't understand why you're pushing ari rn

i don't think ur thing with tw was tvt
and i don't think that you can be in lylo at this point

the defeatism / repeated references to wanting to be lynched is ... very uncharismatic and making me paranoid and i think are lowkey townie and i find them confusing
like i think you're like fl in that you care about your scumgame more than your towngame and you being this defeated as scum is just like ????? and hard to process

i don't think i'm making incorrect reads based on associatives with you tho? the only team-read i'm sold on rn is that you/ari are not svs so i'm kinda confused what you're even referring too

she called Ari scummy a whole bunch when he made some mediocre posts at the start of the day
then she started to go after Plum for reasons that she was relatively vague on
then when Math is repeatedly prompting her to go after Ari, her excuse is that he's not TvS with me and i'm confscum
then calls me lowkey townie in her next post for doing something that aligns exactly with a maneuver i previously made as scum

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man, like, even when i was voting plum half of me wanted to say she couldn't make me ~feel~ the way she made me feel if she was scum.

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iconeum do you agree with my assessment that skitter, like, really didn't seem like she was actually interested in voting me today

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i've felt the entire game that skitter was kinda like... handling me with kid gloves if that makes sense? and i thought she was just trying to be nice but i'm no longer feeling that way.

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skitter kept insisting we should be voting on wagon. TW who clearly had some janky ass reads thought his wagon was scummy.

i honestly think that having no vote is worse than being on a mislynch in a general case.

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skitter kept insisting we should be voting on wagon. TW who clearly had some janky ass reads thought his wagon was scummy.

i honestly think that having no vote is worse than being on a mislynch in a general case.

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iconeum do you agree with my assessment that skitter, like, really didn't seem like she was actually interested in voting me today

she wasn't, but you basicly made her vote you. Like, you made it really easy for her to do that.

The fact she doesn't wanna push Ari is a lot more interesting point to talk about, I can't understand how she can be calling Ari scum so much, but in the same breath is defending him and definitely not voting there.

On top of that I feel like her scumread on me wasn't honest, and that she tried pretty hard to keep that scumread on me until the duckling went all quack about it and forced her to townread me IIRC

yeah but that's my point. she called me confscum like a few pages ago to justify pulling Math off of Ari, now i have to literally scream at her to vote me to get her to begrudgingly do so
like she talks about her team telling her to vote me... but she's not doing it for reasons... also isn't Amrun like one of the people in the extended game most likely to correctly read me? eh.

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Like Skitter is calling me scum right now

You're not stepping in...?

It's not going to lead to a lynch and she is more trying to sort you than anything atm from what I can tell. If I thought it were a serious threat I'd hard defend you! It is not a necessity atm.

Like, she is jot pooking for me to push back on you, she is looking for your content and reactions in order to gain a rounded read on you separate from the rest of the thread. I would actually do a disservice by stepping in to defend you right now

This is so fucking weird lol how is this how you react to me telling Skitter page after page to just vote me

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i think i will hold my tongue on that question and wait for Plum to get back because i think i should be able to read her in real time

also i should stop spamming so that she can catch up hm

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oh man

if i'm right here and was right about ari yesterday

i can't wait to talk to cancel food in postgame

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VOTE: Iconeum

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VOTE: Iconeum

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HURT: Iconeum

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that was in response to something else

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Ari is a good lynch

Skitter is presently who I would want to vote

this all flies out the window if I end up thinking Plum is scum

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#3 is either Tris/Xtoxm as far as I can figure.

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ok, here's a question for you: do you think that i ever get lynched today if i'm scum and have teammates who are simply not going to vote me
because from where you're standing it should be pretty obvious that I only ever get lynched if I'm town here

like it can bother you that I ~might be scum~ and am liable to not get lynched but it's not really something that you can do anything about, but not lynching me if i'm town is something you can.

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do you have any meaningful thoughs on the fact that Skitter despite scumreading me and knowing my general houdiniability is super reluctant to actually vote me and push me for a lynch today
does that make sense more coming from town who would, if scumreading me, rationally be terrified of me just walking away or from scum who had me voting her scumreads and thought demoralized me was useful to keep alive

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I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

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I think that only 1/2 of Skitter/RCE is scum and exactly 1/2 of them is.

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I don't agree with that read actually.

I'm starting to think RCE actually makes more sense as the deepwolf than Skitter.

I actually can't see why people are townreading him?

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Like I read his ISO and I get exactly 0 town feels

I just sheeped consensus on him because I had other priorities besides making that an issue, but I think 'universal townread who I have 0 town feelings on' is an extremely common scum flip.

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I don't think anyone thinks that there's a "small chance" that I'm town. I think most of your townblock townreads me outright. The only people scumreading me in this game as far as I'm aware are yourself and Skitter30 and Skitter30 isn't actually interested in pursuing my lynch, for whatever reason. Why are you misrepping that?

Why is disagreeing with you misrepping? This is the type of thing that got TW mislynched.

I mean. Literally you stated an untrue thing. Your townblock besides Skitter all has me as some vein of reasonably strong townread.
TW stated a bunch of untrue things and got mislynched for it. That doesn't make it my problem. It's objectively a fact that, for example, claiming investigative isn't an excuse to survive.

It’s really hard to explain.

Less hedgy is my best guess at it.

Deliberate, surgeon like but with a purpose.

I don't buy this and I strongly suggest reevaluating this before endgame.

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I will never stop being fine with being lynched in this gamestate.

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Claiming investigative is undoubtedly drawing a protective. "Why didn't RC die night 1?" "Oh he claimed investigative day 1, scum can't afford to shoot there" "makes sense."

I thought it was scummy day 1. And then you opened day 2 with the assertion that scum knew the nature of your investigative so avoided killing anyone to evade you. What?

I literally claimed detective on day one. And how is claiming investigative any more drawing of a protective than literally just being me?

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Basically here's where I'm at RN

{RC, Mathblade, Bellaphant, Iconeum, Flopz}
{Plum, Teacher} - probably town
{Skitter30} - like on an intellectual level i have a lot of reasons to scumread her but i don't feel it and i think i would feel it if she was scum so... town?
leaving
{Ari, Tris, Xtoxm, RCE}

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The read in there that probably confuses the most people is Plum, but like I think that her iso is a lot harder to fake than it looks to an untrained eye
So... even if we lynch me we can obliterate the entire pool of people that I think contains all the scum

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Same reason that I claimed investigative in the first place

I wanted to claim so that everyone could trust me and work with me without the shadow of my scum game hanging over the lobby safe in the knowledge that I was eventually going to self resolve as scum.

I don't buy your push on me at all. I don't buy your original scumread on me either. I think your team deliberately pulled that to set me off.

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If I am wrong on RCE and RCE is scum it’s with Xtom and not Tris

strong disagree

rce-tris is the single worst looking associative pairing in the game right now to my eyes.

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like there's Tris/Plum on an objective level but... I just struggle to see Plum as scum even when I deliberately try to push that.
There's also Teacher-Tris/plum pairing but like I think a lot of people had that same idea that the two were kinda interchangeable and I was more interested in how he reacted to that being called out than the pairing itself.

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Pretty sure Xtoxm is scum btw. The pop in to call Ico scum for pushing an easy mislynch but doing nothing to make himself a harder lynch doesn't feel like a town!Xtoxm move especially in the team mafia setting.

Like, I don't see how anyone comes to the point of view of being 'pretty sure that xtoxm is scum' ever and that was pretty objectively unjustified

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RCE does have that weird obsession with Xtoxm. Hmm. Possibly right there Math

But, uh, Tris/Xtoxm/RCE makes more sense than Ari/Xtoxm/RCE I think. lol

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ok but here's the thing: if ari flips town then the people that i think are scum are going to win the game because the town will completely fall apart.

So the lazy outline is that access point needed x amount of scum to be approved to a mission by the rest of the town to win. RC came into the game assuming the town leader role over NSG by immediately excluding himself from being voted in. Setting himself up to be self resolvable. It earned a lot of towncred with all but like 1 person (insomnia). RC hard pushed the fact that Insomnias read was bad because he would resolve anyway and as you can guess it was a shouting match that he replaced out of.

Point is, RC setting his team up to carry out the rest of the game isn't outside of my expectation of his scum game. With that could be any number of factors like the Poe being outside of his teammates even if it's still on him. Or (the one I feel is likely) he has anti-associated to diffuse the pool of partners that make sense with him in the event he flips. I don't find any of that unreasonable.

ok but these are monumentally different scenarios. I never intended myself to be self resolvable. I was setting up for you to be submitted D2 and for me to take D3 when the person I pushed in on D2 got nightkilled (thus proving that I was pushing town and using it as an argument to clear me) then to use your terrible associatives with both my scumpartners to get you lynched.

You're talking about a game where I presented the illusion of something and comparing it to a game where I actually did something.

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like, you either didn't understand what the plan was or you're lying for points. i was always going to be in the access point pool. and you started making that comparison very early on in this game.

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like the goal was for DT and my other partner to keep pushing for you since you already had bad 1 way associatives with them, then I was going to super hard push the person I was on D2 until it got rejected because it came from me then I'd refuse the group submission and accept you as a compromise. We'd nightkill the person that I was trying to shove through. I'd use that against the town and make them add me in 9 way.

This is very much an apples and oranges situation versus me having to, once the scum pool gets whittled down, clear a slot every day I'm alive and somehow justify scum being okay with that.

I didn't claim roleblocked.

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We aren't comparing 1 for 1. The principles match. Not the game specific game plan.

No, they

don't

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I always intended to be the scum carry in that game.
I cannot be the scum carry in this game.

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Because what is directly comparable was your statement that you are only taking the lead because no one else will do it. And that you wouldn't do so as scum. Which was directly untrue.

This is literally level 0 reasoning. I wanted to take lead in this game. I shied away because of the playerlist and eventually just decided fuck it I want to spread my wings and fly.

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It's also entirely inaccurate: I immediately went into that game positioning myself as town leader. This game I was reluctant to play town lead because I didn't know how the PList would react much more similar to Perfect Masquerade and I think my early game in both match. The things you're saying do not make sense.

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Like my entrance in that game was basically me wallposting a bunch of mechanical stuff, taking lead on telling the vigs to out, and just generally cementing that position.
This game my entrance was much more subdued. This game I went strongman in response to TW pushing a lynch on me for incorrect reasons. That game I was strongman from very early on.

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But your comparison doesn't make sense.
Even in that game I only backed out from the access point pool to justify not getting nightkilled when NSG replaced in, I was fully intent on strongarming myself as the AP and having my teammates rig associatives with the other two until then.
There is no similar circumstance in this game, and using "yeah but I can't compare this game to that game" as a defense instead of actually reading the game is a bad look.

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Like either your memory of that game is totally, stupendously wrong or you're making up something that you think that people will eat up to try to justify why you're incorrectly scumreading me.

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My approach to that game was convoluted as hell as a result of that replace in. The original gameplan was really simple. After that, I had no excuse for not supporting her for AP or for scum not killing me under normal circumstances if I was town because there was really no other viable nightkills in that lobby. That's where the "ok I will aim not to enter the pool" and the excessively complex web of spewing associatives and counting on people not voting my reads came from. That's not a realistic starting point for a game because of all the variables and I find it a struggle to believe that you totally forgot that NSG replaced into the game and upended things.

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VOTE: RCE

Avoiding engaging with arguments against his scumread on me because it's a tactical read that he has to hold.

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I enjoy seeing RC rain down with fists of terror in this lobby. I wish there was a TM team with only 4 RCs playing 5 mafia games at the same time because that's the thing that Team Mafia needs.

Bitmap is holding me hostage to post this so I'm posting it.

RCE's comparison to Access Point really doesn't make sense at all and he's not at all interested in allowing it to be held to scrutiny so he just voted me for calling him out for it.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79133

here's access point by the way, if you're interested in reading the game it's being compared ot.

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Also just contrast the way I push Insomnia in that game with the way I push TW in this game. It basically proves my point regarding the way I push people as scum V town.

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It's not a trust tell to say that I simply am not capable of having as dynamic a read as scum as I am as town.

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Nor of being as 'self righteous' versus just getting mad.

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The hardest thing about me playing scum isn't being BoPed, it isn't being paranoia read, it's that I've been forced to project town to an insane level to survive as town and while I can be extremely "towny" as scum I can't actually match the stuff that I am capable of as town. And RCE asked me why I was town, gave him a bunch of reasons, pointed out why is AP comparison didn't hold water, and he just voted me and said he wasn't interested in engaging bc his read really doesn't hold up to scrutiny. He has said phenomenally little about why I am scum this game.

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Stop TvTing and join my Ari wagon please k thanks!

How am I supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument
How is he supposed to figure out that this is a TvT when he refuses to address the flaws in his argument

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Go through RCE's iso and figure out why I'm scum outsidde of "because not enough people are calling me scum"

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Frankly I'm not really inclined to engage with you outside of your rebuttals when I pose questions/cases to the town. Because I've sorted you and I'm not swaying on my position.

I expect town who hasn't actually said anything meaningful about why I'm scum to not say something like this, which is a really convenient excuse to push a shit case as scum.

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like he dodged the entire question of whether he can actually lynch me today if I'm town which makes a lot more sense from the pov of not caring if I am scum or not as well
he asked me why I was town and I gave a pretty long and thorough answer that if you actually bother to check the meta from is essentially incontrovertible
he didn't reevaluate at all or respond to anything, he just ignored it and kept calling me scum because that's what he's doing as a game plan.

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Basically Ari if you're town town is falling apart here
I think it is very easy for scum to lunch you -> me and win lylo
Not exactly sure what to say atp.

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I don't think it's Teacher.

I think it's Tris RCE Xtoxm

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Maybe plum in there somewhere idk.

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Dude

He meant NIGHTKILLS

Why are you so difficult

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Aaaargh this game is like rubbing my fingers on sandpaper

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If he's not town loses literally 100% of the time

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Not like close to 100% literally 100%

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I just see town losing and I can't stop it

Not because I don't have the skillset but because people just don't trust me

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I guess I want to talk to Skitter30 more than anyone else.

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but she's never going to townread me no matter what i say, so.

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so why bother, yeah.

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when mafia devolves into this trashy tunnely 1v1y pushing people for dishonest reasons because you think they'll get away if you only push them on honest ones clusterfuck that this game became
there's really no point because the entire portion of mafia that i enjoy and find meaningful (scumhunting) falls to the wayside and it's just a question of might makes right and who happened to be scum

i feel for math if ari is scum. i understand that ari scum is a reasonable point of view to have. i believe that mathblade's reactivity to reads on ari is town.
but really i've honestly stopped caring who scum and town is, i just want someone who will treat me like what i say matters in terms of determining if i'm town or scum.

and i can't bring myself to vote against Ari who has spent the entire game calling me town when i think i've been obvtown when no one else saw it.

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i think that rce refusing to engage on his read with me is scummy both on an in game and on a philosophical level and my vote will remain there.

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if he's town who thinks that he can't win the battle then fine. i think that battle is the point of mafia. if you're not willing to have it because you think you can't win it, why play.

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Already in bed so I'm going to make this brief and follow it up tomorrow. Our team had 1 and only 1 scum role PM which has now flipped. Given NSGs IRL circumstances she has had barely any time to play TM at all. Nothing I said about her inactivity was untrue or exaggerated in the slightest. I also want to make it clear that there is a reason that NSG read and meaningfully gave reads in this game before she did anything else in TM. We legitimately assumed this slot was going to be locktown nk bait from day 1 due to claim and more general reasons so we wanted to get this game on the right track early. TW deathtunneling us made that impossible and while she tried for part of it she at some point just got tired of the toxicity and didn't want to read even when she was around. We're still town in this game and both or is are capable of really great things read wise but none of that matters unless people can trust us.

This town can't afford to mislynch us or to ignore us.

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Also keep in mind that after NSG told me that the gamestate was getting really nasty and I should just not vote Ducky regardless of if he's scum or not, Dick kept using us voting Plum/Tris/Ari as a scumtell saying see! see! he's trying to do this then lynch me it doesn't make sense he's not voting me because he's scum.

If you think Cancel Food's read on me is the main reason you scumread me, you can care about that if? The only way to refute them talking themselves up is to see my flip. If you think that maybe when even Northsidegal eventually changes her mind and says yeah lynch TW we don't really have any other choice ig that maybe I was in a no-win situation as town.

Not that I didn't believe Duck was scum, but even NSG not thinking that he was confirmed scum and mostly just being like why the f is this happening conceded that it was correct eventually.

I haven't exactly been advertising her name outside of weaponizing it because I just can't play with her in real time like I'd like to but just filling in some.behind the scenes. Although I think I did mention that it was team reasons when I unvoted Duck at least.

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There's 1 scum in RC/RCE and I know which one it is

Spoiler: big

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Cant wait to read all this 156 pages of quality content when i replace in

Spoiler: big

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Only, like, 1337 of the posts in this game are worth reading.

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Let me know the results of your reread of RCE please Ari.

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meh he can do what he wants but if he's town he shouldn't be trying to lynch RC today

VOTE: ari

Ooooo I'm intrigued!

What has garnered this vote on me?

Also RCE was a good vote man, why change that? XD

Also you're calling RCE a good vote at the same time that you're not voting them.

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Plum has cited Hitogorishi's involvement multiple times during the game thread, did he now keep reasonably up to date and does he not have the 'cliffnotes/catchup' that you're asking for?

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is that a serious claim?

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2 questions

1) have you been reading
2) has anyone else on your team been reading

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her scumreads are you, shos, ari, and me.

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Shos serious question what is your preferred alignment?

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there is, in fact, 3 scum!

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Spoiler: big

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i have literally no idea what tris's reads were and i've read the game front to back at least 15 times.

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i know she claimed to townread duckling's opener but she voted him over ari when it came up
i think that she said she was going to read plum (shos) but she never actually engaged on it
she was voting flopz for a while but i think she might have said she didn't actually scumread him

weird game

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also townread on ico, exact phrasing "hmm i don't know about RCE", and hard town on math/skitter30

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she did actually comment on how her read progression on teacher was kinda bad but that's about it wrt her Plum read.
note that I didn't go back through the thread so any or all of this may be slightly inaccurate.

RC bro what'supppppppppppppppppppppppp
how the fuck do you have 1350 posts

i really really wanted to kill the duck that tried to policy lynch an investigative claim d1 and further claimed that I claimed investigative so that I'd have an excuse to stay alive

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you can't develop reads off of a description of a game Shos.

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from where I'm at it's nearly an impossibility that there isn't scum in {Ari/Tris/Plum}

so I would be interested in your reads on each other / each others predecessors when you have them.

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Firebringer says hi skitter

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it's not me that has a warped perception. it's you that has a warped perception, us having barely played together since 2017.

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i would like to say that goes without saying given your read record on me but i don't really want to get into an argument over it.

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like your 1 town game with me this year was completely out of my standard town range because the game was inactive and i just wasn't really feeling it and so i even said at the time it was more like one of my scum games until the very end of the day, our scum game as a hydra where i basically did nothing is while on the extreme end not really all that different from multiple scum games i've played.

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I would like first dibs on Skitter when she's caught up pls

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ok can we talk for a bit

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itt: i feel like in my head i should be able to explain why i'm town but i can't find the words so i'm just like floundering kinda

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i'm writing something up, i'll start by saying that i don't think that you're scum and i didn't think that for more than like an hour when i was getting stressed out

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ok so like i have always struggled to read people when i am getting scumread. i have fixed the vast majority of my weak points over time, but that one i haven't really been able to do much about
well over half of the people i mislynched this year got mislynched for the singular reason that they had a crappy scumread on me that i couldn't understand and i scumread them for it.

look at the newbie game where i was like confidently townreading you then you start scumreading me and i can't see it anymore and i'm just mad and frustrated and i scumread you
hell, look at a long time ago the c9++ game and that was when i could just snapread on you on a dime. couldn't see it when you're calling me scum.
i've been accused of doing it strategically mislynching people and honestly i rolled with that in the past because i wanted to seem better than i was like it was all part of the plan
i really just can't tell the difference anymore at a certain point.

i'm not saying that i literally am not capable of faking any of the TW/paranoiaing on you/RCE as scum. if i truly cared enough and was willing to play this way and thought it was correct.
but like, i wouldn't want to. from the moment of TW turning on me there were so many other plays and frankly i wouldn't have set him off calling Eddie Cane's reads shit if i were scum
this might conflict with your image of me but i just wouldn't go there if i didn't have absolutely no other choice and even if i did have no other choice i might still not have?
plus just activity, everyone is literally going to townread me more if i'm posting less and everyone is also going to like me more if i'm posting less.
but i just compulsively have to express my thoughts and i haven't really had anyone on my team to coordinate with so i've been "spamming/shitting up the thread"

i am however not capable of faking the little stuff like the immediate response and regardless of being wrong i feel like it should be obvious that my position made sense and i was approaching things in a towny way? like if i'm scum none of the motivations that came into play with regards to my read transitions on tris/plum/etc would have come into play. like this feels like i'm referencing something irrelevant but anything that you'd think of as a relevant thing to think of i have the ability to fake as scum. I cannot fake the being in the moment reactivity and the way that my reads progress all over the place towards the end result. i've said that many times, i get away with deathtunneling people as scum most of the time because I *also* do that as scum and I actually don't look like this in terms of the whole all over the placeness all the time as town but it's really something that I don't have the ability to do



Also for unrelated reasons and not referencing anything in particular, literally anyone can say something and say that someone else said something but that doesn't mean that they said something.

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the plum transition was basically thinking she wasn't TvS with you. I went back on that as soon as i felt like you were town again
basically i won't say i'm confident on RCE but i'm confident on you and i am willing to trust your ability to read him because i realize that i just am too frustrated to be objective

other than that our reads really aren't that different (and outside of D1 equiv TW ig), except the order that we'd lynch our scumreads ig and the fact that i'm not, like, sure Ari is town?
like he's either town or scum but i think that we solve that by lynching around him more easily than lynching him because

if he's scum it's pretty frigging clear that remaining scum is in 3, maybe 4 people whereas if he's town that says nothing about Tris or Plum's weird treatment of him and the people pushing him could be scum

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i am relatively confident that there's no deepwolf deeper than teacher atp, if you would call him a deepwolf.

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yes

that isn't a scumtell though and i don't see what motivation you think i would have for doing that as scum if i was just going to go back on it anyway and then have to try to explain why

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i do think that teacher's, like, less equity than just Plum but I figure you're more interested in sorting him than saying yeah he's definitely scum

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i'm also scared that you're like, underestimating the odds of Ari being scum but I think everyone else recognizes those odds enough for it to not really matter enough for me to want to do something about it

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like i dunno. i believe i already posted this but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree you'll think its evolutionarily useless. if you judge me by my ability to not snap on people who are calling me confscum or saying that i'm scum and they refuse to reevaluate a la RCE you're either going to scumread me or think i'm bad. sucking at dealing with scumreads and having a massive scum ceiling is a pretty debilitating ceiling but my town winrate gets by because by and large people just recognize it's +equity to let me do my thing on D1 and deal with me later and this game was like, the antithesis of that and my play suffered.

but i guess one thing that i'm kinda stuck on is that like in vaccuum if you're town at the start of teh game you're self-resolving given like, you're you
but if you're town here i'm not sure that you are
and that's a little scary for me but i'm not sure that pushing you for a lynch is the best way to resolve you rn
but if i'm being honest with myself there is a *very* large chance i get eaten up with paranoia if you're around in lylo if we're both there, no matter how i read you the day before, no matter what my thoughts were the day before
like i just kinda know myself that this is where my mind is going to go even if i don't want it to

at the risk of being called pockety, if you work with me we just won't make it to lylo. there's a reason i've never made it to lylo as town from D1 besides Baton Pass (which, several mitigating factors)
not saying that to like brag or dick measuring contest, we just really can do this

if nsg ever shows up again and it's still in question maybe she can help show that we're town, idk.

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also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

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Skit - anything to 3977? I feel like yours is a pressure vote and I’m being told to dance, but I don’t know the tune.

i like this post

I think it's a hard null post.

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That is the point yes. And I am not massclaiming, I am simply stating that it is very likely that at some point in the game my role is enough power that it is really obvious that it has to exist.

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ari hates playing scum, has a strong tendency to lurk, and isn't really capable of giving cogent thoughts on the game or gamestate

This is what everyone believes and then Ari suddenly wins in lylo against one of the strongest towns ever assembled on MS.
I'm not saying he's *super likely* scum and I think that again the solution to scum!Ari is to lynch his scumpartners because it's real obvious that a lot of people aren't SvS with him

but uh Ari is, yeah.

hat’s not how any of this works....at all.

You can just as easily be covering with a scum buddy or TMIing.

See game where Titus bussed you for faking a guilty meta
And the person claiming info doesn’t always have to be the source.

So how about instead of talking mechanics we don’t know we get to reads?

Awesome.

My reads are already super, super clear to everyone and right now I'm trying to get through to Skitter because I think scum autoloses if we get this sorted out

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I knew that.

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but i need it to be dealt with by like tomorrow night because i know myself and even if i don't want to go there i can predict what's going to happen even if that's not how i want to play it out
(i literally said a few games ago that if town!pk is in lylo i will probably vote him. we were in lylo. i voted him.)

I get this given that I told everyone in Baton Pass if they didn't sheep me on Shoshin D1 she would win the game even though I lynched 2 people off of associatives with her and flipped both scum.
The whole like time sensitivity of reads thing, not sure how to explain further, but yeah.

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I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

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Great for those of us who haven’t read the spam of the past day what are they?

{RC RCE Mathblade Iconeum Skitter30 Flopz} town

{Bella} I believe to be town but this is the least like dynamic and invested of my reads and is very easily wrong
{Ari} I'm strongly on the fence on and I think that he will be really obviously one alignment or the other once we see who the scum are
{Teacher/Xtoxm} Both of them are some weird shade of null, I really have no meaningful read on Xtoxm, I think Teacher is scum if Ari is town and V/V most likely ?

{Plum/Tris} I think have probably been both scum the entire game and we saw it really early and just haven't gotten around to lynching it yet.
Like I think they are objectively the two worst slots in the game

I feel more sure on Plum atm because even Shos's entrance I kinda hate already and like I guess I had some townfeels on Tris but Tris just had some weird progressions
I won't like tell you to lynch Sau if you townread him but I think that balance of probabilities the both of them are scum

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also keep in mind skitter that even if somehow scum manage to get away with keeping me alive when we massclaim it's *probably* going to be obvious the setup isn't balanced if I am not a TPR

this is a true point
ok we can deal with this tomorrow i think, if we're still both here

like if you try to see it from my point of view you should understand why I as town end up claiming where I do to just get everyone willing to be on the same page as me and to not have to try to pull some sort of dumb shenanigans to try to live to d2

whereas i still like fail to see how anyone thinks that it makes sense for me to randomly claim investigative as scum

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My issue with that is in NSG phrasing that seems like a really political read because we both just finished talking about how we were no longer willing to vote him

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I think that is a really dangerously easy townread to give him jsyk

idk how much experience you have with him but I have seen him win a lot of games as scum and he replaced my second strongest scumread

is this about me on ari?
ok do you think i'm mis-assessing some part of his scumgame in particular?
like do you have a particular reason i'm wrong beyond 'scum!ari is better than people think'?
(which your ealize is how you get scumread most of the time ... ?)

no

on saudade

[RadiantCowbells]

i can't say i'm happy that you are townpinging sau because i'm scumpinging them but i'm also still pro-shos

[RadiantCowbells]

i am in no rush to push this skitter, let him catch up and shit, and i'm also willing to default to your read if you think you're confident on him

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually I just listened to you Skitter and went back and looked at his scum game from the Pine wars and I agree that it's like ungodly different from the one he's currently playing

I'm willing to put him a lot higher town ig

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok Math

Why won't you vote Plum then?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.

[RadiantCowbells]

You townread her though, right?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Teacher's town tbh.

If to me, on skit, yes with a block of paranoia where I could see the two of you together. Like your 1v1 was town indicative, but I don’t see why she’d say she blacklisted you or vote you except for the theatrics of it, so I have paranoia there, but I do townread her.

If I pinkie promise you that we're not will you believe me

[RadiantCowbells]

Grrrrrr

[RadiantCowbells]

I am so mad this took me so long to figure out

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: MATHBLADE

YOU ARE FUCKING SCUM YOU FUCKING SCUMFUCK

[RadiantCowbells]

No one fucking shoots you at night, you're just so arrogant that you think that town would think that you *HAVE* to be shot so you no killed for that reason

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah.

NSG didn't tell me to vote TW yesterday, she told me to vote Mathblade. I ignored her. I was wrong to do so.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah.

NSG didn't tell me to vote TW yesterday, she told me to vote Mathblade. I ignored her. I was wrong to do so.

[RadiantCowbells]

Man.

When I freak out and say that someone is 100% fucking scum like I did math D1 and then back off

never let me back off

[RadiantCowbells]

Man.

When I freak out and say that someone is 100% fucking scum like I did math D1 and then back off

never let me back off

[RadiantCowbells]

Man Math you are going to regret so badly leaving me alive

[RadiantCowbells]

Plum is also scum, Math's trying to push counterwagons to her while keeping her *ostensibly* in the lynchpool so that he doesn't look bad if he flips and still gets to push bad reads
Look at the D1 early Plum push from math it's so fucking TMI

and all this garbage like RC/ARI/TW? He doesn't believe that, he was just keeping his options open to lynch whichever one became convenient if necessary while voteparking the one not getting lynched
THat's why Plum didn't vote Ari. Because Ari was being kept around as the D2 lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

It's probably literally the 3 of you and if it's not it's Xtoxm

Teacher's town everyone in my townblock is town

[RadiantCowbells]

Look at Sau tryign to gently push the wagon onto Ari, look at Math's associatives with him this interaction fucking reeked