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In post 1202, floo wrote:

flow trap interaction

544 reminds me of the arrogance that she will not be scumread. "I think I'm giving you everything which you need to prove me as a scum" and you'll soon figure you can't, is what she is saying. Inviting someone to write a scumread case against you (with a negative tone too) would be the opposite of what Sal wants considering her overall defensiveness. If she's town, it's an emotional reaction driven by anger to hammer in a point.

If she's scum, the best course of action is not responding at all. The reaction then is emotional or instinctive, ultimately irrational. I will read Sal’s interactions to see which emotions are at play. Towny emotions include a willingness to help other players amid debate, and sincere frustration. Scummy emotions include fear in that she prefers hiding away to talking, and overdefensiveness.

Regardless of whether she’s town or scum, I think the dismissive and flippant comments (using Prism’s wording) are a mental defense mechanism. Her style is to mock and dismiss negative comments in advance of a more serious response or using an excuse to avoid a conversation (which is itself for mental defense). Unfortunately, I haven’t found another game to see if this is natural for her.

544 doesn’t suggest towny helpfulness, as it is sarcastic and snarky. It reveals a fighting rather than talking attitude to a mid-D1 scumlean, which wouldn’t even put her close to the stake. It's overdefensive panicking - scummy.

553 responds to flow trap’s accusations in the same conversation as 544. Sal evades responding to flow trap’s questions about why her prior post might not make sense in terms of logic and clarity of ideas. She calls out flow trap for hypocrisy and uses this as an excuse to ignore.

Explaining her post could avoid flow trap’s scumread (and benefit town) for both town and scum Sal. There are two explanations for suboptimal play then: she realizes her post is scummy and prefers to avoid it entirely, or she is angry. The former explanation doesn’t seem likely since she could just apologize for her negative tone. It’s also hard to see why town would be so angry about someone just pointing out one weird post about them, so I think this is scum overdefensiveness too.

Enchant interaction + sidenote

413 is very defensive, calling Enchant "totally wrong" and accusing them of "twist[ing]/shad[ing]" her words. Even while Enchant was not the hot scumread, the wording of this post suggests that Enchant is Mafia manipulating the evidence rather than a possibly incorrect player who could be town or scum. This is definitely a retaliatory attitude that is not helpful for anyone who is trying to read her.

When flow trap calls Sal out for a "victim tone” (a good way to describe it), she responds by a GIF "I don't care" (416). Rather than apologize as town for counterproductive tone, she shuts down further discussion. Her fear of being scumread is stronger than her motivation to scumhunt. Pointing out one scummy thing in an overall townread could anger her, which is actually the case with the response to EZ’s townread in 523.

Final Notes

At the time I started being rude to Sal (1108), as explained, I took the negative tone because I noticed Sal’s overdefensiveness and emotionality (if that’s a word). I would never have done this to a player who would counter me rationally and calmly, which I’d expect everyone else alive to do (except flow trap, who I townread anyway).

I don’t want to comment on her interactions with me today, as I still want to see how they play out.

In post 1192, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:

In post 1104, Spartan117 wrote:

In post 1095, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think Spartan117 has justified their scumread of me despite the fact that I have stated that he stated an opinion that had no justification.

Allow me to correct you Fredrick, because you are wrong. It honestly really frustrates me because I share the same concerns of flow trap that there is a chance you might be town and a miselim on you would be a big problem for us, if you are actually town you are making this really hard for us. But you continue to act the most sus player here, you have had as much time as everyone else here to read the thread we have had the night phase where you had time to catch up and work towards providing a meaningful contribution, there have been two player deaths which you could review the wagon on Enchant and EZs flip on which you could review their interactions and who might want them dead, there is lots of material for you to use to actually try and solve the game whilst you would rather talk to the dead. If you want to scumread me that's fine, I'm all for it, but provide reasoning play the game if you are town, quote my posts that you think are scummy and explain what you think about my actions that are so suspicious, because I don't want to lose this game just because you can't be bothered to check my ISO...

In post 215, Spartan117 wrote:

In post 212, Fredrick A Campbell wrote:VOTE: floo

Very scummy vote imo, has been lurking around and posting but still yet to provide any sort of detailed reads of their own as if they are unable to because they know everyone is town. Here voting off the back of other peoples reads without providing any sort of breakdown as to why they actually think they are sus or bringing anything new to the table.

Here in 215 I explained my read on you and your only response was watery and meaningless in 357 and 364.

Let me make this very clear. The part of your statement where you say "as if they are unable to because they know everyone is town." is an opinion. If you want me to take that seriously, you need to show me more reasons why you think that is the case. Otherwise, expect me to ignore that.

In post 1104, Spartan117 wrote:

In post 746, Spartan117 wrote:Fredrick
comes in with 90 their random vote on safebet seeming potentially a little opportunistic to jump on early to a potential reverse wagon that didn't formulate.
166 strange reaction to being voted, lack of desire to input thoughts and fight for reads, very reserved and not very townie.
173 again refusal to providing meaningful content with a mindset of "I don't have to" very much keeping their cards close to their chest, making it hard to get a well rounded read on them.
185 states that he is expressing his opinion on something but provides a pretty nothing statement that contradicts itself.
211 212 jumps on the back of Sals reasoning without providing any fresh ideas of their own to vote Floo, seems like a very scummy vote to me. something I called out in 215 which I don't believe was ever properly answered by them.

I don't like Fredricks aloofness and lack of pushing for reads, he has appeared to me very opportunistic, as for someone who should be one of the far more experienced members of this group as an SE and isn't pushing conversation or contributing to uncovering scum, if anything it feels like he is scum hiding in plain sight.
VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

Your comment on 166 does not explain why you think the reaction was strange. The rest of the comment says "lack of desire to input thoughts and fight for reads, very reserved and not very townie." It, however, does not explain why does any of what you observe make it "not very townie."

Your comment on 173 says that I refused to provide meaningful content. Any attempt to read the post would demonstrate that I was not refusing to provide meaningful content and was refusing something else entirely.

Your comment on 185 fails to point out the non-existant contradiction. Also, I disagree that it is a "pretty nothing statement."

Your comment on 211 212 simply states that it is a very scummy vote to you. I was given no indication of what may change your mind.

Finally, you further state what makes you think I am scum. However, the comments on which you base your conclusion on are not falsifiable and you do not have any reason to make any of these conclusions.

In post 1104, Spartan117 wrote: Here in 746 where I share my reads I go into detail breaking down your posts and giving an explanation as to why I voted you D1, the fact that you are an SE and are an experienced player and are doing this just makes me think you aren't very experienced playing as scum. You seem to struggle to formulate reads, providing twice as many posts as floo while they have provided plenty of content, breakdown of their thoughts and reads.

Overall you come across as a very defensive player who seems to have something to hide. 166 173 show you being over defensive and look to be afraid of the spotlight being put on you. Requires meaning on why they are being scum read in order to respond and contribute but then doesnt provide any meaning behind their own votes, as seen in 191 212 (212s only elaboration appears to be in the meaningless post of 364 ) 626 853

And now, you think 166 and 173 are "defensive and look to be afraid of the spotlight being put on you" for no reason. I "Requires meaning on why they are being scum read in order to respond" only when asked to defend myself.

In post 1104, Spartan117 wrote: He likes to appear to be playing the game casting votes without actually applying any pressure, not actually contributing anything to the group which is indicative of scum.

863 makes me laugh because you actually request the reasoning for my opinion while quoting my reasoning breaking down your posts with me explaining why I think you are scum. You state

There was no reasoning for your opinion for me to argue against

I'll set you a challenge, in your 75 posts quote us which ones have you providing meaningful content trying to solve the game, otherwise I'm placing my vote on you.

I refuse to place my vote on you now as I do not wish to put you to L-1 at this moment in time when D2 has only just begun, I do not want you or your scum buddy to come along and hammer you, there is still much discussion to be had and people to hear from, and after all there are 2 scum.

I had planned to put my attention on Sal and review their posts in answer to their 1080 and I shall do, but to do it justice I shall have to do that later.