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In post 1198, WhemeStar wrote:THEY ARE VOTING ME

Get off your butt and go round up some townreads if scum hunting isn't your forte right now.

bingleses is going to jail tonight

In post 1192, morph the cat wrote:

In post 1048, morph the cat wrote:As always, tiers are divided, but placement within tiers is not meaningful.

I Would Jump in Front of a Speeding Train for Him

Sigmund

Would self vote before voting

Toogeloo
Bell
Bingle

Pretty Darn Town

White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer)
Lady Lambdadelta
Chara
Thestatusquo
notscience
MURDERCAT

Good Vibes, Inc.

Titus
Flea the Magician

Above Null, Below Our Hearts

Dunnstral
Something_Smart
Save the Dragons
Guillotina

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Priority to Sort

Anya
Ircher (jjh927)
Artemiana
NDMath
Farkran

Icky

WhemeStar

Updated. We should probably put STD back down to sort, but coming off of games of misreading him, it's tough to not want to give him BOTD.

I fixed your readlist

In post 1130, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 1129, Bell wrote:Can I just say that Titus is being *extra* confusing this game.

No this is normal levels of moonlogic.

If anythign this moonlogic at least is... not sensible but parseable!

I feel like im playing a Mafia University game.

What is Moonlogic?

As tvtropes puts it:

"First, think of a problem that the player has to get around — like, say, helping a cat down from a tree. Then, think of how a normal, sensible person would solve the issue with the objects that would be close to hand. Then seal your head inside of a half-full vat of boiling chlorine for about twenty minutes, and write down another way you'd solve the problem that at that moment makes perfect sense to your probably fatally poisoned mind. Repeat this process until you have discovered the most circuitous possible solution."

You're townier than Bell. I don't see myself voting Toog this game. Bingle is pretty much always a good vote.

I understand but don't subscribe to the Chara/MC/LLD/Shea townreads. I might be biased, but I feel like MC has been a little too concerned with how he looks to other people. That's a big grain of salt, because I scumread town him in TM for literally that same reason. I think that LLD and Shea are probably town, but it's not strong yet. With that said, despite a small sample size I've actually been fairly successful at reading LLD as a spectator, so I'm not particularly worried about her. Shea... snows me. I don't think I ever don't tr shea before endgame, and even in TM I arrived at scum shea because I was hypertunneled on a townie who couldn't be scum with anyone else. In my defense, Pine did outright lie about my reads on a few occasions tactically in that game so I didn't have the agency to press, but I'm not at all confident in my ability to locktown him. I'd like to see more from Chara before I commit to a solid read on it, but so far I've liked what I've seen.

Regardless, I'm fine with leaving that group off the table for now.

Notty I just talked about, and would probably put in your orange bin or perhaps just below.

Titus is tough. Like, once upon a time I could reliably read Titus, but we haven't played together frequently in years. There are posts she makes that make me want to say "This is townTitus." but they're less frequent than they need to be for any degree of certainty. One of my priorities is going to be to try and get her engaged in the game and in an active back and forth about reads, preferably with someone like you or LLD. I remember Titus being really good at performing for an audience or pocketing someone in a back and forth, but not both simultaneously.

Flea I should probably look at again as I don't recall any strong pings. I do remember fae was scum in Among Us and I think faer scumgame was pretty strong early but fell apart after time, so that's not a priority sort for me.

Your yellow crew is probably all null to me atm and none of them would be off the lim table if I was given a compelling reason.

Farkran would probably be on the same level as Titus but with the same disclaimer as TSQ, and with the note that I have FAR less experience there.

Anya is a read I'm strategically withholding atm. The rest of the players I haven't even really attempted to sort.

I will say I understand and am fine with the reasoning behind three of the four leading wagons (one of which is about to finish dissolving).

In post 1204, morph the cat wrote:As tvtropes puts it:

"First, think of a problem that the player has to get around — like, say, helping a cat down from a tree. Then, think of how a normal, sensible person would solve the issue with the objects that would be close to hand. Then seal your head inside of a half-full vat of boiling chlorine for about twenty minutes, and write down another way you'd solve the problem that at that moment makes perfect sense to your probably fatally poisoned mind. Repeat this process until you have discovered the most circuitous possible solution."

“ Generally speaking, puzzles in games make some degree of logical sense. For example, if you encounter a locked door, then you would expect to either find the key somewhere or use something like a hairpin to pick the lock.

However, sometimes the solutions to a puzzle makes no sense, or at the very least only makes sense to the person that coded the puzzle. This is said to be an instance of "moon logic"; a brand of logical deduction that had to have originated in the mind of an alien being.

Point and click adventure games are notorious for this, as they are almost entirely built around puzzles that can fall victim to this sort of design flaw.

For an example of moon logic, here's a puzzle and the solution from an old game I used to play. In the first chapter, there is a locked door you need to open. By this point, you'll be carrying several things, including a magical key and possibly a shotgun. Logically, a key would open a locked door, so you might expect to use the key here. However, this is not the door the key goes with, so it doesn't fit the lock. Another logical (if needlessly violent) option would be to use the shotgun and simply blow the doorknob and locking mechanism off the door. After all, they do that in some movies, so why not try it here? But again, this is not the correct solution to this locked door puzzle.

Instead, you're expected to know that you need to head to a local pier, find a dead fish, and then return to use the fish's corpse on the door. There are no in-game hints to let you know about this, yet it's the only correct way to proceed. How any of that works is understood only by the game's developer, who doesn't think like any Earthling I've ever met.”

In post 1205, Bingle wrote:Shea... snows me. I don't think I ever don't tr shea before endgame, and even in TM I arrived at scum shea because I was hypertunneled on a townie who couldn't be scum with anyone else

D'awww.

In post 1205, Bingle wrote:You're townier than Bell

This bugs me. The way it's phrased looks like it comes from someone who knows that Bell is town and is using him as reference to classify others.

I embrace being perceived as having moonlogic because I accept there's no way to change this. I am an aspie as such the world is quite a bit gibberish to me when it comes to emotions. I should be much better at mafia for the amount of time I play but I really just come up with coping strategies.

In post 1209, Guillotina wrote:

In post 1205, Bingle wrote:You're townier than Bell

This bugs me. The way it's phrased looks like it comes from someone who knows that Bell is town and is using him as reference to classify others.

Bingle's an IC.

The key to reading me is I'm actually really bad at town so if my reads are bad it means I'm probably town but if i end up on the tail end of some scum wagons I'm probably scum.

In post 1211, Titus wrote:

In post 1209, Guillotina wrote:

In post 1205, Bingle wrote:You're townier than Bell

This bugs me. The way it's phrased looks like it comes from someone who knows that Bell is town and is using him as reference to classify others.

Bingle's an IC.

Is he? I havent got to that part yet then.

In post 1212, Thestatusquo wrote:The key to reading me is I'm actually really bad at town so if my reads are bad it means I'm probably town but if i end up on the tail end of some scum wagons I'm probably scum.

This is now worthless because i have demonstrated awareness of it.

Welcome to metagaming with professor Shea

In post 1139, Bingle wrote:FWIW, LLD, I am sorry you got cut out of that game, and that was in no way my intention.

I also didn't actually intend to have my instaproposal be accepted as my instaproposal was immediately made with the logic of: "I'm going to yolo leave this game before endgame and am being up front about that." I did have a person picked out to propose to at the beginning of the game, because I had done literally the same thing the previous game and wanted to be prepared to do it again in case I rolled scum.

Also,

I am a friendly villager

.

In post 1140, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 1139, Bingle wrote:I am a friendly villager.

MOD EVENT

Bingle is aligned with the

Town.

Nice! Welcome to my towncore.

I want to poke more at std and why people think he's town. I haven't really seen anything outside his scum range imo and i didn't like his particular positioning on the bingle wagon.

In post 53, Thestatusquo wrote:It's an easy entry for scum to make and has the bonus of actually being bad for town in that in general more discussion equals more potential signal even at the cost of more noise.

This is actually false. It's not the amount of signal that matters, it's the of signal to noise that matters. That's not to say absolute amount of signal doesn't matter, but as the number of posts increase, the marginal benefit of even more posts slowly decreases over time. Eventually, it becomes so minuscule that it is either not worth it or actually harmful to the direction of the game.

(That said, I don't disagree with your vote and read on LLD here.)

In post 57, Bingle wrote:Legitimately, I think we should leave LLD to be solved by scum. There's likely a SK which means she's probably not going to endgame and even if she is scum getting that lim is going to be a gigantic PITA. If we just assume she's town that should save me a lot of effort.

What kind of attitude of this? I don't think we should be giving anyone a free D1 pass.

In post 69, Bingle wrote:This wasn't a D1 strategy. This is a until we flip a third party strategy.

This is even worse! Why are you so sure scum will kill LLD, especially if she is scum?

In post 74, notscience wrote:

I have two by now-
Shining, sparkling shows of town
The ball’s in your court.

Let me guess... You have to post in Haikus all game as a post restriction? Or is this a self-imposed one for fun?
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In post 105, Thestatusquo wrote:Not to be all LAMIST but solve me, don't be apathetic about it. Look into the why of my posts.

You seem quite defensive for how early in the game it is (as of when you made this post).

In post 106, Thestatusquo wrote:oh also can hydras try to sign off with which head makes the post? That would be helpful for me, a person who really doesn't work well with reading hydras.

Wait which slots are hydras? ...Oh morph and White Fire. I should read more carefully.

In post 109, morph the cat wrote:Would I scum read some random person with a join date of yesterday for stating it? Possibly.

Correct me if I am wrong, but if this is the case, why are you going after Shea so aggressively for his read. Early game reads don't have to be air-tight; on the contrary, even minor quibbles are valid reasons for votes.

In post 111, Chara wrote:but "why" did shea make it? is it perhaps because he's annoyed he can't get the towncred for the towny-shea posting? hm hm hm? it's okay though, i understand. i do the same thing as scum.

In post 112, White Fire wrote:Odds are in my favor ur town. U get scumread too often in games and i liked ur response.
Plus i think it would be amusing to see if i can get u paranoid.

Most of this is weak reasoning, but I actually think this comes from town more often than scum.

In post 118, White Fire wrote:Hot take: Chara is scum.

Good take.

At bottom of 124. Will try to read another 5 or so pages tomorrow.

In post 1217, Ircher wrote:Let me guess... You have to post in Haikus all game as a post restriction? Or is this a self-imposed one for fun?

In post 1177, Bingle wrote:Oh, right, I should say as someone who is primarily mechanically oriented:

I endorse absolutely 0 other role claims. There may or may not be other functional aspects to my role and I will not be claiming any of them. I think it is incredibly likely that scum have alternative methods of damaging town players and as such tipping your hand on powers is real bad. I don't think that protecting me tonight is a valuable use of our resources, nor do I want any invention esque abilities. In fact, if you're town you will not target me at all for any reason.

In post 1181, Bell wrote:I just realized this game is being utterly dominated by Morph. LLD, and TSQ.
I'd say let the game breath a little but honestly, I've never figured out how to get the inactives to post. See this as a request to slow down so I can figure out who the scums are though.

Do you townread Morph, LLD and TSQ?

In post 1205, Bingle wrote:You're townier than Bell. I don't see myself voting Toog this game. Bingle is pretty much always a good vote.

I understand but don't subscribe to the Chara/MC/LLD/Shea townreads. I might be biased, but I feel like MC has been a little too concerned with how he looks to other people. That's a big grain of salt, because I scumread town him in TM for literally that same reason. I think that LLD and Shea are probably town, but it's not strong yet. With that said, despite a small sample size I've actually been fairly successful at reading LLD as a spectator, so I'm not particularly worried about her. Shea... snows me. I don't think I ever don't tr shea before endgame, and even in TM I arrived at scum shea because I was hypertunneled on a townie who couldn't be scum with anyone else. In my defense, Pine did outright lie about my reads on a few occasions tactically in that game so I didn't have the agency to press, but I'm not at all confident in my ability to locktown him. I'd like to see more from Chara before I commit to a solid read on it, but so far I've liked what I've seen.

Regardless, I'm fine with leaving that group off the table for now.

Notty I just talked about, and would probably put in your orange bin or perhaps just below.

Titus is tough. Like, once upon a time I could reliably read Titus, but we haven't played together frequently in years. There are posts she makes that make me want to say "This is townTitus." but they're less frequent than they need to be for any degree of certainty. One of my priorities is going to be to try and get her engaged in the game and in an active back and forth about reads, preferably with someone like you or LLD. I remember Titus being really good at performing for an audience or pocketing someone in a back and forth, but not both simultaneously.

Flea I should probably look at again as I don't recall any strong pings. I do remember fae was scum in Among Us and I think faer scumgame was pretty strong early but fell apart after time, so that's not a priority sort for me.

Your yellow crew is probably all null to me atm and none of them would be off the lim table if I was given a compelling reason.

Farkran would probably be on the same level as Titus but with the same disclaimer as TSQ, and with the note that I have FAR less experience there.

Anya is a read I'm strategically withholding atm. The rest of the players I haven't even really attempted to sort.

Different game experiences and quite possibly different skillsets.

I'm not sure about Cabd, but I think this is my first time playing with TSQ. There was a point earlier in the game where I almost got snippy with him about barging through my lines of questioning a couple times, but I know that my approach to digging for data annoys some players. It feels like he's playing from the sidelines, though.

Chara may be too high in our reads given the amount of time we've spent thinking about its play.

Cabd is (and will be) a sort of buffer between me and Titus. Our playstyles clash pretty hard.

There are actually a number of players in this list that I have little or no experience playing with and I'm comparing their play to generic models for now and waiting to see what develops. e.g. big error bars.

@ffery, I feel my reads are pretty accurate this game. That being said, I feel you're town too. I don't want to get in your way, but I'd like to hasten the process of you getting onto my scumreads rather than someone like Flea.

Anya, A and NDMath are all excellent votes. G is a decent compromise. Their Bingle thing felt faked but I am all to aware of cross game biases.

@guilotina, ya for the most part I do.
I could see morph and Shea being scum though.

Morph because Cabd.
Shea because I am a little bit skeptical in how they present themselves.

In post 1221, Titus wrote:@ffery, I feel my reads are pretty accurate this game. That being said, I feel you're town too. I don't want to get in your way, but I'd like to hasten the process of you getting onto my scumreads rather than someone like Flea.

Anya, A and NDMath are all excellent votes. G is a decent compromise. Their Bingle thing felt faked but I am all to aware of cross game biases.

If you think I'm scumreading Flea then you don't know what my reads are.

I pretty strongly disagree with an Anya vote. I don’t know who A is and I don’t feel like guillotina is scum this game.