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In post 1198, Looker wrote:And at that point I suspected you anyway, lambda

This isn't the point in your favour you think it is.

I had a feeling you did. I think Peta is smart enough to know that too. I don't think Peta votes first, for you at least, with that on the table. He either waits to see what you vote, because the worst that can happen is he ends up in this situation anyway, or he votes me to increase his odds.

If anything, this feels the best reason to view you as scum I could have.

In post 1201, fferyllt wrote:mine

NO IT AIN'T

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

I assumed peta expected my suspicion of him from yesterday to carry over into today

Man I'm so tempted to vote right now.

i'd be lying if i said t3's interactions with vfp are especially clearing, most of them could go either way. t3 made things decently confusing this game by voting everyone. i will say, however, that in my highly biased opinion, this is not a scum/scum interaction:

In post 267, T3 wrote:

In post 266, VFP wrote:

In post 264, HockeyFan wrote:

In post 259, VFP wrote:How do you roll scum so often, T3?

Hey VFP, u seem to be SR'ing t3 here, any particular reason?

Yes, because T3 is posting scummy T3, not town T3.

Wrong.

the blunt denial, it's...not distancing. i think t3 is more likely to fling an attack back if that's his teammate, here he doesn't start pushing on vfp until it becomes clear vfp isn't dropping his t3 scumread

i also thought looker's sudden hammer yesterday was scummy in a "let's get this over with" kind of way but it was very slight. i've had similar hammers where i knew i needed to get the elim to end the day before people changed their mind

God I just wish I could see your eyes and hear your voice, Peta.

I feel like all I need is that and I'd know.

i think if i go for any more here i might be scraping the bottom of the barrel

i don't even know if this will help, but by comparison here's VFP-town from a recent micro where his posting is more similar to this game, less trying to explain things to people, a little less serious overall

In post 1207, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:God I just wish I could see your eyes and hear your voice, Peta.

I feel like all I need is that and I'd know.

i imagine i'm probably terrible at lying in person, lmao

With what players would I have been able to build your wagon? You weren't going to vote you, GMo was AWOL, Hockey thought it was me, and Lambda voted the post right before me.

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the t3 vote on looker fooled me too, given the timing of it being right before the guilty o day 2, but the thing is, it doesn't mean anything - t3 is one of the most stupidly bus-happy newbies i've seen. it's not entirely consistent across games but it is an observable pattern in his behavior

i guess the same thing could be said of him voting vfp, but the thing is his response there is more like scum being pushed by a townie - first deny it, say they're wrong, then when that fails push back and say they're scum for voting them. i think it's distinctive (but of course, i'm biased)

In post 1210, Looker wrote:With what players would I have been able to build your wagon? You weren't going to vote you, GMo was AWOL, Hockey thought it was me, and Lambda voted the post right before me.

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why not wait for the replacement and see what they have to say? the immediate compromise there, onto a wagon i was driving, is playing toward a scum win condition because you don't actually care if your scumread got eliminated, anyone but you was good enough

We needed 3 to elim

meh i was going to type up a post with references to t3 bussing/distancing from partners in other games but i decided it was trash so i got rid of it

this is maybe a better reference for VFP-town, it's another newbie game and he plays fairly similarly to here, shows past experience with T3 as scum which is why he jumped on that read here

by comparison, here's him as scum in a newbie game - it's a replace in, but he's a lot more serious, a lot more trying to look presentable

and finally this is lolselfmeta, but i'd be in no mood for making hard mode kills this game. i think i'd have a better shot at persuading manatee here as scum than i would lld, because manatee would have no particular reason to distrust me. sure, replacements are a wildcard, but i think as scum i'd have a decent shot of swaying her. i just lost a scumgame in part because i failed to kill the person who publicly indicated he was re-evaluating me. was very disappointing. it opened a few hours before this one, i think i shoot lld 10 times out of 10 after that as scum because i would want to try for an easy win

now i really am scraping the bottom of the barrel, i think

Dude, my head tells me I should do a re-read, and my heart says I'm pretty convinced of my opinion.

Guh

i genuinely don't know how much truth can be divined from a reread here - i had vfp as pretty easy town before subbing in, but if he was inscrutable to you before i don't know how much help rereading is going to be. i'm happy i got bulge right after triple-checking him but he's a more readable player that vfp or a revolving door slot. if you reread anything, i'd tell you to look at those strangematter games i linked and compare them to this one because i think that's probably the most telling thing in terms of content

as a rough estimate, maybe like 85% of how i've played since i replaced in, i'd play the exact same way as scum? so like. i'm not going to be terribly readable here. i think i can't really fake the level of hesitation i displayed here in a genuine way but that's very subjective

if you want a recentish example of me completely throwing shit at the wall in a f4/3 as scum, i realized i actually have that

I think this is the part where you drink in the power of being the decision maker.

I right, though

I'm gonna hate myself so much if I'm wrong, but I feel like I have to lay it down here.

Peta's completely polarized. Either Peta made the incredible bluff of not killing me despite knowing I'm angling to kill him, then not voting me and letting me have the choice, voting first to do so and doing the vote unvote trick and then not changing his mind after I posted.... or all of that is as town as it seems to make him.

So it's really just a matter of "do I think peta behaves this way as scum?" I think Peta has the ability to do it. Looker did say he was coming for Peta, but I'm more concerning I think in that sense, from a night kill perspective.

I came into today confident Peta was scum. I still think that maybe odds favour him supposing to be scum.

But Looker looks so scummy and the circumstantials are just not right

allez