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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:47 pm
by Bingle
In post 1191, Sleepless Assassin wrote:And some people blame the person they replaced for poor play in order to attempt to wipe the slate clean and start over as if the slot is brand new. It's not a sure fire tell in my opinion but it has merit.
Amished was actually briefly a reliable towntell in regular games when it became super popular in the newbie queue. No idea if it's swung back to usable though.
And as it was explained to me it's more a function of confirmation bias. You know the slot you're reading is scum, so you default to seeing the behaviors as scummy.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:48 pm
by VP Baltar
How confident are you that the Ico slot is scum? Give me a percent.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:52 pm
by Fun and Games
In post 1200, Bingle wrote: In post 1191, Sleepless Assassin wrote:And some people blame the person they replaced for poor play in order to attempt to wipe the slate clean and start over as if the slot is brand new. It's not a sure fire tell in my opinion but it has merit.
Amished was actually briefly a reliable towntell in regular games when it became super popular in the newbie queue. No idea if it's swung back to usable though.
And as it was explained to me it's more a function of confirmation bias. You know the slot you're reading is scum, so you default to seeing the behaviors as scummy.
you mean scumtell, right?
i think it's fairly reliable
i'm not convinced that the post in question *is* the amished tell tho
~ skitter
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:59 pm
by DArby
I don't think your opinion doesn't matter, but I personally don't put too much stock in one read out of two matching.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:02 pm
by Fun and Games
In post 1181, DArby wrote: In post 856, Gamma Emerald wrote:I kinda wanna vote somewhere that isn't VP but I also fucking hate him trying to act like I owe him anything
It's that age-old thing of "you respect me
as an authority
and I'll respect you
as a person
" which I do not support or abide in any form
I think I quoted this but I’ll quote this again. This post gives me my strongest TR this game with Gamma.
can you please explain this town-read ?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:02 pm
by Fun and Games
Darby do you have a read on dats?
pedit that was pooky btw
~ skitter
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:08 pm
by DArby
In post 1204, Fun and Games wrote: In post 1181, DArby wrote: In post 856, Gamma Emerald wrote:I kinda wanna vote somewhere that isn't VP but I also fucking hate him trying to act like I owe him anything
It's that age-old thing of "you respect me
as an authority
and I'll respect you
as a person
" which I do not support or abide in any form
I think I quoted this but I’ll quote this again. This post gives me my strongest TR this game with Gamma.
can you please explain this town-read ?
If scum!Gamma wanted to make a wagon and cause a mislim she wouldn't show her bias against VP. Rather, he made a case against VP for personal reasons that have a natural buildup. This isn't something that would be directly town-indicative. This feels like genuine emotion that could discredit Gamma down the line, which I don't think he'd want as scum. Given my limited experience, I'm willing to give this behavior a townread.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:08 pm
by VP Baltar
In post 237, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Iconeum pinged me for not directly answering Datisi asking his alignment. Then there was the overly self conscious "in before scumslip" post after the weird but admittedly relatable string of posts about not remembering how to play. The "did we roll t/t" post pinged again. Just feels like unnecessarily saying "I'm town".
Just to be clear, this is Sleepless' full case on Iconeum.
I went back through Sleepless' iso to see if he pushed on Ico, as he claimed, and the extent of it is asking a couple people what their read on Ico is, and then appealing -- to no one in particular -- something to the effect of "can we just yeet Ico now."
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sleepless Assassin
There's malarkey here. He may even be partners with a hypothetical Ico-scum. I don't buy his vote/unvote on Gamma when that was getting steam, and I can't tell you a single place he is seriously pushing outside of that.
If I can't get Dunn today, I think this is a good bet.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:09 pm
by DArby
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:11 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
VP wrote:
his is Sleepless' full case on Iconeum.
I'm legitimately surprised. I didn't know that
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:17 pm
by VP Baltar
Feel free to elaborate if I'm missing something. What is your case on Ico/DArby?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:22 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
Read my ISO. I had to have mentioned them at least 20 times. Maybe 40 and you'd consider it a push. You aren't even trying to understand though. You're pushing a narrative.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:23 pm
by Bingle
No. There was a brief period in the meta of the site where it was referenced often enough that it was actually pretty solid that only town would make the mistake of commenting on their predecessor's play. I think it was late 2013 early 2014. It was extreme blowback to the tell becoming popular as a scumtell.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:26 pm
by VP Baltar
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:28 pm
by Fun and Games
In post 1212, Bingle wrote:
No. There was a brief period in the meta of the site where it was referenced often enough that it was actually pretty solid that only town would make the mistake of commenting on their predecessor's play. I think it was late 2013 early 2014. It was extreme blowback to the tell becoming popular as a scumtell.
oh hmmmm i didn't know that! def before my time
~ skitter
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:28 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
In post 1211, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Read my ISO. I had to have mentioned them at least 20 times. Maybe 40 and you'd consider it a push. You aren't even trying to understand though. You're pushing a narrative.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:29 pm
by VP Baltar
To clarify, SA, I have read your ISO.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:32 pm
by Fun and Games
vp he's been scumreading ico since like his second post
~ skitter
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:33 pm
by VP Baltar
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:34 pm
by Bingle
In post 1056, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Iconeum wrote:
A50 prob town, really reading like his previous game recently
Can you give a link and quick summary of what you find similar?
Note to self:
Iconeum forgot Penguin in his reads list.
VP wrote:
Curious why you felt we needed a new wagon here, and why you were asking for support rather than just making a case and trying to start one yourself?
If I remember right we had one wagon and no competing wagon so it felt like a good time for a new one. I had already been trying to get people to vote Iconeum at that point.
VP wrote:Coming back here, this stinks to high heaven to me. 1) There is no real explanation why Dunn is a bad wagon, just a desire to deflate the wagon. 2) SA was trying to feel out an Ico wagon in his previous post, but when no one bites he jumps on Gamma, where the momentum was starting to shift at this point. Very high Dunn-SA partner equity, which improving forecasts perhaps for Gamma.
If you don't agree with my take on Dunns exchange with Fun And Games then unfortunately you'd be right I don't have a reason to town read him because that's the most telling thing I've seen from Dunn aside from his comment that you called a soft claim. But let me clarify that it's not the wagon composition that I didn't like, it's my specific read on Dunn. I think he's townier than Gamma. So I preferred Gamma.
me wrote:
But I'm not really scumreading Gamma either.
Vote Iconeum
VP wrote:
lol wut dafuq? (emphasis mine)
Is it unreasonable to believe Bingle that Gamma is going through RL things? Or is it unreasonable to believe RL can lead to apathy just as much as Gammas alignment could?
VP wrote:
Wow, just ISOed Sleepless Assassin .... dude had an RVS-level vote on Ico out there until he determined the Dunn wagon was "bad" and he voted for Gamma.
>>insert Twitter red flag meme here<<
Interesting take. I didn't place an RVS vote in this game.
Fun and Games wrote:
I'm not really sure what to do with the fact that like all of dunn/gamma/ico are pushing each other
If Dunn and Gamma are town and Ico is scum this would make sense.
VP wrote:
I will say someone mentioned Gamma has some IRL shit going on, so I am taking that into consideration in reviewing my own read there.
This is funny after you questioned me for reevaluating my own Gamma read for the exact same reason.
Hitting submit before finishing because my phone is acting up
This also is reasoning ish.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:38 pm
by Fun and Games
vp is your issue that you don't think sa has sufficiently explained his reasonign?
~ skitter
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:41 pm
by Bingle
I don't see another way to parse his
1207.
And FWIW, there are exactly 28 instances of "ico" on SA's ISO.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:46 pm
by VP Baltar
In post 1220, Fun and Games wrote:vp is your issue that you don't think sa has sufficiently explained his reasonign?
~ skitter
That is what I'm stating at the moment. I also think he is blowing smoke about his Gamma vote.
If he is that confident in an Ico scumread, it seems like he should be able to tell me a bullet point case of why instead of telling me to read his iso.
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:46 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
So it changed? A minute ago your issue was that I haven't been pushing Iconeum
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:47 pm
by VP Baltar
Yes, but I implore everyone to go read his ISO and see how many of those are of substance or pointing out things with scum motivation.