CONTROL - GAME OVER!

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mastina can you explain how cakez locking the thread conftowned LLD and us

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so far mastina actually looks alright from one dunn interaction.

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actually no, both ircher and dunn are so mean to her. that makes me think she's actually a scum buddy. it makes some level of sense. let's keep reading. i need to stop pausing uggggg

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ircher roden interactions looking really really clean so far.

AGH I NEED TOS TOP im never gonna finish gah

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I think Norwee is definitely town here.
Ok I think i have my reads together at this point.

I feel pretty solid on Roden and Norwee town. I'm definitely going to have paranoia moving forward but I believe I am correct.

Norwees posts this past day are just not coming from scum. There's a huge lack of agenda and Norwee scum would be pushing a town elimination for the win today, which they could fairly easily get. Most of Norwees posts are sort of like hmm analysis analysis and waiting for others to chime in rather than driving an elimination that wins scum norwee the game here. In a gamestate like this, mislims aren't hard if you push hard and appear towny. Slow games are scum's play ground. Norwee does not play this way today as scum.

Roden's interactions with different scum on day 1 are looking good. By the way, i do want to clear up that i was trying to bait reactions by calling roden scum liek five times today. Sure i have paranoia but i dont really entertain the possibility that roden is scum very much. Scum were dancing around him as a mislim option. Overall interactions were pretty clean cut and i do think roden had the towniest interactions with flipped scum.

This leaves all scum in [cephrir, mastina, tictac]

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ircher-mastina interactions are just WEIRD. i dont know how AI it is atp

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It would explain Noraas awkward push on me that they pretended wasn’t actually an push later.

IT WASNT >:[ I just like sussing people out okay

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ok atp im just going to skim through and only read around ircher and dunn's posts.
nothing else is really helping me much

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oh btw. i had a read sometime yesterday or overnight idr which but im pretty certain [mastina, cephrir] has scum. i have like 70% accuracy with these types of reads but i think it is true here. their dynamic was really really weird in one interaction i found.
it was like an indirect interaction that i currently dont remember anything about anymore. but it was suuuuuuch a weird interaction. pretty sure those two have scum pretty much impossible that both are town

its funny how accurate this is

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I also had a read that [cephrir, fenrir] had scum. That may prove to be true btu it could've also been messed with because of how familiar they are with each other. Connections do mess with these types of reads to some extent

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too much consensus on irch
too much consensus on arcane

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something interesting to note is that ircher and dunn have basically never interacted with cephrir.

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omg ffery has a new prfpc!!! also i got to the dunn rep in. SPICY SPICY ANALYSIS TYME

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ok im finally here but i dont feel like reading up so i'll just try to keep up from here (PROBABLY WONT HAPPEN) but i'll try.
ALSO HECK YES for dunnstral repping in on main. i'll have a read on that slot soon i think

-baby bear

FIRST POST UPON DUNN REP IN LOOK AT ME GO

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ircher about to die day 1.
tictac starts andante wagon

oh wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT hold the fukc up. i just skimmed dunnstrals iso.
thats scum. can we bring that wagon back please

-baby bear

my first post after dunns rep in HAHHAHAHAHAHA
ahhhhhhhh and then my reads just plummeted downhill after that haha

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[andnate ceph] didnt feel town also.

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ircher-mastina interactions look alright now.

Cephrir-tictac scum team?

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mastina (-44%): mastina has been rather quiet this game. I feel that's a pretty big tell for scum!mastina actually. 498 is a rather questionable reads list though mastina's read rate can vary a lot on Day 1.

something here is tonally pinging me but i cant figure out which way. Im 100% sure that this post is the key to mastinas alignment.

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tictac shades ircher but never votes there day 2.
Roden CONFTOWN because of this post: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13219149

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Idk what the point of a reeval is really. Everyone here knows you are never going to get past whatever your issue with me is.

the point is to not be paranoid of everyone in the game.

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dunn ircher and cephrir are the only ones calling bell obvious scum throughout the game. interesting.

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if i get bears to e-1 and they still refuse, i will explain, and we can all take their refusal into account. frankly if that does happen i think they should be hammered, but i doubt it will happen.

can you explain the whole asking us to flavor claim thing. idr if you explained it that day. jsut quote or repeat if you did

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if i get bears to e-1 and they still refuse, i will explain, and we can all take their refusal into account. frankly if that does happen i think they should be hammered, but i doubt it will happen.

do you really want me to just post what im thinking and lose any utility that could come from it.

their flavor is really that important to protect.

jesus.

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if i get bears to e-1 and they still refuse, i will explain, and we can all take their refusal into account. frankly if that does happen i think they should be hammered, but i doubt it will happen.

do you really want me to just post what im thinking and lose any utility that could come from it.

their flavor is really that important to protect.

jesus.

Norwee conftown for everythign they've done.
Ok i'm at 99% certainty on both roden and norwee atp.

im very certain all scum is in [tictac, mastina, cephrir]
all we have to do is find the town in that group and we win.

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k i give up

tet's line implies that he investigated the bears. this much is obvious. if you cannot follow me this far then like, fuck off.

so, why did tet post that "you'll know why" the bears should be side eyed when we see his flip. and yes, i know he addressed this to mush, but i believe that's just because they were hardtowning each other and he trusted it.

OBVIOUSLY, it's because THERE IS SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THEIR FLAVOR. otherwise, he wouldn't have said this.

therefore, if they CLAIM FLAVOR THAT ISN'T SUSPICIOUS, they are probably scum.

thanks for completely not fucking helping @ literally everyone.

but didnt you say you didnt know the flavor very well?

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if i get bears to e-1 and they still refuse, i will explain, and we can all take their refusal into account. frankly if that does happen i think they should be hammered, but i doubt it will happen.

do you really want me to just post what im thinking and lose any utility that could come from it.

their flavor is really that important to protect.

jesus.

Mastina SRs galron and toog. so she doesnt have PERFECT reads.

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(perfect reads would be suspciious)
they are still a little tooo perfect but idk im considering that it might jsut be a really good game for massy or something

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I will say though that cephrir's read on andante is a good look.

I still feel some pocketing was done there but town can also pocket. The thing is just that his apathy around like "fuck all of town for not seeing andante town" which was a good look

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Malal would say tictac/mastina is the team here. just a thought.

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its hard to find associatives from dunn because he's very ......... idk good at being confusing. ircher was much more transparent in terms of associatives

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Was it when she started needing them as mislims to win the game?

if she is scum, yeah

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Not going to lie, i kind of regret not doing this reread yesterday. the associatives with andante pretty much clear her.
while andante was absolutely scummy, these associatives are very much clearing her.

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Malal would say tictac/mastina is the team here. just a thought.

i know this is wifom, but that's why i wouldn't have killed her if i were scum.

shrug i dont take arguments like this because scum me has slipped by off arguments like this too often.

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new prfpc!

i would have needed to reread yesterday. nothing works but a change of heart from me.

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"I do believe" is a phrase that sticks out to me. im going to meta you for that specifically

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Pinkie here, we have a saying where I'm from, "It comes in 3's" - and ye gods it certainly fucking did...

Fact: there cannot be 5 scum, we are proven to have only 4.

potential kingmaker is my response to that.

However, we know that it was indicated in a TMI as a scum ability;

Where?

Bears is town for so many reasons that every time I try to list the reasons Bears is town, I miss something because it's too damn hard to remember that many reasons.

We just that good.

ok. both scum in (ceph, norw, mastina)
scum-mastina voting there is probs cause me scumreading her is better than me focusing on (ceph,norw) so probs more vulnerable of those is her partner.
i wanna say town mastina waits a bit more before voting to see the effect of the 2 votes first.
@ mastina it's meaningless to say mold is malevolent if u can't give an example of

how

in practice it could be malevolent.

I would imagine the wincon as a M3P being "infect all living players"

Idk what the point of a reeval is really. Everyone here knows you are never going to get past whatever your issue with me is.

Bwtween me and you, personality clash, it happens. We're playing a game here and we want to try and salvage any win chance.

k i give up

tet's line implies that he investigated the bears. this much is obvious. if you cannot follow me this far then like, fuck off.

so, why did tet post that "you'll know why" the bears should be side eyed when we see his flip. and yes, i know he addressed this to mush, but i believe that's just because they were hardtowning each other and he trusted it.

OBVIOUSLY, it's because THERE IS SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THEIR FLAVOR. otherwise, he wouldn't have said this.

therefore, if they CLAIM FLAVOR THAT ISN'T SUSPICIOUS, they are probably scum.

thanks for completely not fucking helping @ literally everyone.

If Tet investigated us, they got Dylan Faden who to me is a scummy claim. Compared to the other claims we've had which would have shown up, you can see why I was a pain around that.


-Pinkie

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im really brainfried rn. gonna take a break and come back and summarize from the posts i've written and then maybe continue reading idk. we'll see. im burned out as fuck.

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page 168. gonna do some other stuff and then maybe be back maybe not

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no actually im not doing any more today. im too burned out and i care about my poor brain.
ok i'll be back tomorrow.

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Knew the Galron wagon felt off. Problem is that Tictac might've been lined up to be the next mis-elim. Which means we have way more deep wolves than I thought and that a bunch of my reads have to be wrong.

Anyway, I have some news. I got a phone call from the afterlife, specified as "Contact From the Beyond". Kinda surprised I was chosen but

apparently

scum might've TMI'd a bit in the dead chat.

Gonna try to paraphrase as best as I can.

First, Tet says that they still don't think STD is scum even after the claim. They don't think it makes sense to RB them and send them a letter, then confirm the presence of a Roleblocker instead of just targeting the town JK or something comparable. Only way that works is if the abilities are tied. They also believe Toog has to get elim'd next, he isn't providing any meaningful input and Tet sees it as scum indicative.

Dunn also hinted that the Mold actually is a scum ability.

Bell says not to immediately go after Tictac because the vibes are bad. We need to explore everything more.

That's all I got. I pretty much agree with everything that was sent to me.

This is nothing concrete. This is speculation from a dead red who is smart enough to know that they win over a neutral 3p.

-Pinkie

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I cannot see a town win currently, and ngl I'm thinking this is Kingmaker. Problem is odds are in maf favour at the moment.

-Pinkie.

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i think all of this arsonist talk is dumb. liek if theres an arsonist, they should've blown people up a lot earlier. Also, it does not seem like a balanced setup in litearlly any way if mold can kill. That is way too many extra kills. I guess I see a possibility of like every other night or something but full on flag a target a night and blow them all up one night is just impossible imo.

im busy as fuck today. way too much homework. tutoring session and friends coming over. i cant do this today.

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skfajirjwirjwirw im too invested in this game. but i agree with norwee in the sense that you need to try to figure out who the scum are on your wagon if you are town. Because tictac you literally arent dying tonight so if you dont get some good solving in, tomorrow ur gonna be the elo mislim assuming ur even alive.

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assuming ur not the elo mislim today (assuming you are even town lol)

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like tictac, the team is either you and someone or mastina and cephrir. There are no other possibilities. From you point of view me and roden are conftown.
Norwee is not i suppose but you havent even tried to solve as much as i have and im not the one at e-1 right now.

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i don't think norway is groupscum.

so you think mastina and cephrir is the scum team for sure but instead we should be no limming?
from your perspective, you should be 100% certian thats the team if norwee is town to you. make this make sense please

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i don't think norway is groupscum.

so you think mastina and cephrir is the scum team for sure but instead we should be no limming?
from your perspective, you should be 100% certian thats the team if norwee is town to you. make this make sense please

me knowing things doesn't translate to other people knowing thigs.

except you know well that i have been saying mastina and cephrir might be the scum team for a while. And from your perspective i am conftown. why arent you convincing me of that and instead spending your time screaming for no elim? What does that change for you? i die today and you have an even smaller chance of convincing anyone.

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*tonight

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except you know well that i have been saying mastina and cephrir might be the scum team for a while. And from your perspective i am conftown. why arent you convincing me of that and instead spending your time screaming for no elim? What does that change for you? i die today and you have an even smaller chance of convincing anyone.

i haven't given u a huge amount of thought once u became conftown tbh.

well if you cant get one of mastina or cephrir voted out, you are the one who is dying today. so keep that in mind. I will not vote anyone else today

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for the record, i do want to kill in [cephrir, mastina] today. maybe we lose to mold but i want to get the biggest quesiton answered while our solid town block is all alive. Tictac never lives tomorrow anyways.

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VOTE: tictac

~Mama

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i hope dearly that this was a good choice. we made it as a hydra and uh, fingers crossed!

-noraa

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assuming there is a tomorrow, town must win this game. i must break my streak of losing all my town games that i talk a ton in. I MUST BREAK IT.
So if we're not alive tomorrow, WIN THIS FOR US

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PLEASE

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also if scum won the game, dont troll please, thank you.

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sigh. if mastina ceph was really the team, they did well.

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i hope it wasnt. very much.

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also i've been thinking for a while, why didnt scum just run in and claim 3p? like i think they'd have a better chance of winning by doing that than not?
but if this is game over, then it really doesnt matter ig

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if it's not though, like have tictac claim 3p. i definitely think survival rates would've been higher. shrug.

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agh cakez please lock the thread. im like dying over here like agh what if the whole game is over

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if it's not though, like have tictac claim 3p. i definitely think survival rates would've been higher. shrug.

i semi considered doing that, but didn't think it would be believable

is this a scum claim o_O

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i mean i would've believed it but im pretty gullible so it doesnt say much >.>

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ughhhh i feel like tictac is actually town. goddamnit. goddamnit.

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fuck. i hate this.

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i think mastina cephrir makes the most sense. but maybe norwee.
norwee would be breaking a bunch of my meta tells for him though

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Mastina tictac is likely the answer imo.

~Mama

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Mama you think tictac is scum?

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i really hope so