Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[EspressoPatronum]

UT probably can't investigate dave if KA JKs him.

Yes he can. KA has never claimed to be a variant jailkeeper. Bingle made that up.

Ah kk, good to know. In that case:

Might as well rinse & repeat:

- Pine motivates KA
- KA JKs A50 and dave
- Ceph blocks Elements
- RCE writes a message about A50 and sends it to EP/PB
- UT checks dave
- Elements kills A50 (but will probably get blocked)

Edited for today

Apologies for any confusion!

[Bingle]

Yes he can. KA has never claimed to be a variant jailkeeper. Bingle made that up.

This is just objectively wrong. On my townflip, Ceph/KA become a 1v1 and so should crosstarget. Which means Pine can go ahead and target UT.

[Bingle]

Also, giving up confscum for potentially confirmable town is really dumb, and if we lose this I'm going to rub it in all of your faces for being idiots and listening to the guy who literally claimed scum after getting two investigations on him.

[Pine]

Also, giving up confscum for potentially confirmable town is really dumb, and if we lose this I'm going to rub it in all of your faces for being idiots and listening to the guy who literally claimed scum after getting two investigations on him.

This does not sound like Town!Bingle

[Bingle]

I kinda stopped giving a shit, Pine.

I made the game literally unwinnable for myself if I'm scum and you're lynching me first over literally confirmed scum anyway.

I wash my hands of everything.

[Bingle]

Lynch Gobble.
Lynch UT's next guilty after, don't lynch until that guilty exists.
Then lynch in KA/Ceph. That should get rid of ML/Ele. The blockers need to cross target until they're getting lynched. Lynch A50 if both die and the game is still going.

Abandon this strat if a NK goes through, as there will necessarily be two scum left alive.

[Cephrir]

Yes he can. KA has never claimed to be a variant jailkeeper. Bingle made that up.

This is just objectively wrong. On my townflip, Ceph/KA become a 1v1 and so should crosstarget. Which means Pine can go ahead and target UT.

Show me where KA has ever claimed to be an alien.

I kinda stopped giving a shit, Pine.

I made the game literally unwinnable for myself if I'm scum and you're lynching me first over literally confirmed scum anyway.

I wash my hands of everything.

If the mafia is dead we've already won. It's crazy to me that Mr. Technical Play thinks two cult, one of whom is outed 100%, is something we're supposed to care about right now.

[Bingle]

Nobody died!

[Cephrir]

Like literally elements is a 400% mechanically better lynch than gobble.

[Cephrir]

Nobody died!

Three players were roleblocked!

[Bingle]

Show me where KA has ever claimed to be an alien.

He didn't. I asked him to specify roughly 50 times yesterday and he never responded. Because he's never talked at all about which variant he is.

[Cephrir]

That's fine. It's not a reason to assume one way or the other. In fact, having UT check his target could clear that up.

[Bingle]

Like literally elements is a 400% mechanically better lynch than gobble.

That's a pants shittingly bad take, and I really hope you're scum. You do have to keep blocking Ele though, so I guess you can't cross target.

I love watching town snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Cephrir]

Like literally elements is a 400% mechanically better lynch than gobble.

That's a pants shittingly bad take, and I really hope you're scum. You do have to keep blocking Ele though, so I guess you can't cross target.

I love watching town snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Please explain to me how it's mechanically better to lynch two scum with no kill over two scum that do have a kill.

[Bingle]

Three players were roleblocked!

Yes. Three players who I'm proposing still get roleblocked tonight. I'm proposing a way to kill off two of the antitown slots without letting the status quo of Scum No Killing change. And you're trying to shift that away from mafia having to be accountable for their actions.

I'M LITERALLY NEUTERED IF SCUM. I DON'T HAVE AN OUT. THAT MEANS THAT IF I'M ARGUING A STRAT THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME AN OUT, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LISTEN TO IT BECAUSE IT'S TRUSTWORTHY.

[EspressoPatronum]

Side note - I'm able to book a no-lynch.

I'll have to wait on the power +/ its results from Bingle's lynch today before I decide my next book, but I wanted to let you all know now.

[Bingle]

Please explain to me how it's mechanically better to lynch two scum with no kill over two scum that do have a kill.

1st, how do you know there are two mafia remaining?

2nd, mafia didn't use their kill last night, thus they CAN'T use their kill for some reason (probably you're not multitasking and not blocking someone who gets a visible block result damns you).

3rd, Ele and ML can win without making town lose if ML is telling the truth and we can test that without screwing ourselves by killing cult first.

[EspressoPatronum]

@Bingle sorry if you're town, but I'd rather just lynch you now to get an answer to all the inconsistencies around your role.

I'll consider your no-lynch strategy in future days.

[Cephrir]

THAT MEANS THAT IF I'M ARGUING A STRAT THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME AN OUT, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LISTEN TO IT BECAUSE IT'S TRUSTWORTHY.

I don't know that you don't have an out. What if you can move more votes than I realize and all you need is one more day and you control the lynch? What if scum have a day 10 dayvig? IDFK. I know exactly what the cultists can do and it's nothing.

[Bingle]

You could be faking the vanilla-ization.
Killing you/2nd cult and dropping the player list to 10 tells us whether ML and Ele need to be killed or if they can win with town.
If there are no more scum, this is the only way to give A50 the potential survivor win.
If there ARE more scum, they can't let us have however many additional investigations this plan will net us. If there are more scum, them killing while I'm under a semi permanent block gives me a soft clear. (Can't be last scum).
Both remaining cultists need to be dealt with for town to win, and if scum isn't actively killing they might as well be dealt with now.

The logic isn't difficult, and the idea that all of you can't do simple math is fucking ridiculous.

[Bingle]

THAT MEANS THAT IF I'M ARGUING A STRAT THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME AN OUT, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY LISTEN TO IT BECAUSE IT'S TRUSTWORTHY.

I don't know that you don't have an out. What if you can move more votes than I realize and all you need is one more day and you control the lynch? What if scum have a day 10 dayvig? IDFK. I know exactly what the cultists can do and it's nothing.

What if mafia had 14 players at the start of the game hurrdurr.

[Cephrir]

ok

[Bingle]

If I had a partner who could kill, why didn't they especially as it softclears me as not the scum who killed?

If I can't kill, how am I more threatening than the known cult?

[Cephrir]

Maybe it's dave; maybe they forgot to send an action in; maybe they're not multitasking (i forget if we know this) and had to use their outed provable action instead?

look i don't know i'm just trying to play mafia and i'm terrible at mechanics and i want to sort the unknown thing and find out if i need to worry about KA being scum who blocked me somehow.

[Cephrir]

it seems to me you must still believe the mafia exists since you're so worried about town losing this and there's no way we could lose against just the sk & cult.