Mini 815 - Lazy Neighborhood Mafia (Game Over)


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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:32 am

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Oh by far. A hider should've been able to clear a lot of people *and* eventually find scum. A hider that also had a night-talk ability is like a cop that doesn't lose their investigation if they die, and forces the scum to have a 50/50 chance to kill the hider (if they're between two townies and claim such on D3 like they should). If scum get the 50/50 chance wrong, it then forces the scum to keep killing around the circle until a hider gets to a scumbag.

In this case, it removes all choice from the scum and allows any other PR to go on with their own business of finding scum.

I still can't believe you gambited a claim that was absolutely perfect for the person next to you.
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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:37 am

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I'm not sure I understand why Lazy Hider would've been so useful. SSK would've come out to his neighbors and say he'd hide behind one of them -- is what it amounts to, right? So it'd be a way to clear people under the assumption that scum would try for a 2-for-1? Or am I missing a more obvious reason why this is useful?
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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:58 am

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Ok, N1, hider dies if behind scum, lives if behind town.

If a "hider" dies on his own N1, town can look at the two neighbors and automatically nail scum.

If the hider lives, then that neighbor is confirmed to him. From then on, he can tell confirmed town neighbor that he's a hider and will hide behind the other one.

N2 on:

This leads to two things: If SSK lives, other neighbor is confirmed town to all 3 (kinda like a created mason group). If both the neighbor and SSK die; the first neighbor will know that scum just got lucky. If SSK dies solo; then the first neighbor *knows* that SSK's other neighbor is scum. It's a weak cop but with a confirmation method, NK immunity if the scum guess wrong, and without losing an investigation if they die (barring luck). Hiders are typically weak, but with the night communication, I feel they're extremely OP; better than a cop because they'll always get 100% true results and can form a mason group.
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:18 am

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Ah, right; I'd only interpreted the "dies behind scum" as a negative, so I hadn't thought of that. Neat. Too bad SSK forgot. :X
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:24 am

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Ended up not mattering.

BTW: I hate replacing in for flaked scum. Jesus this sucks. Though without my stupid vote, I think I had a decent shot.

Iece: had I not voted for Sajin in first LyLo, would you have voted for one of Y or Sajin?
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:15 pm

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I'm not sure. I was pretty convinced that Y was town until he voted Sajin. Then I was pretty convinced that exactly one of them was scum until you voted and Y unvoted. I think I probably would've joined Y against Sajin eventually.
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:17 pm

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Iecerint wrote:I'm not sure. I was pretty convinced that Y was town until he voted Sajin. Then I was pretty convinced that exactly one of them was scum until you voted and Y unvoted. I think I probably would've joined Y against Sajin eventually.
And my gambit swayed you off :P
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:20 pm

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Sajin wrote:
Iecerint wrote:I'm not sure. I was pretty convinced that Y was town until he voted Sajin. Then I was pretty convinced that exactly one of them was scum until you voted and Y unvoted. I think I probably would've joined Y against Sajin eventually.
And my gambit swayed you off :P
While usually that would be a bad move, it did save the game this time.
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:21 pm

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No, my horrendous play swayed him from "one of sajin and Y are scum". God I screwed that one up royally. I knew K7 was a lurker and wouldn't quicklynch. I should've just waited. Sajin, your logic during the start of that day was pretty damn bad though, I'll be honest.
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:02 pm

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Amished wrote:No, my horrendous play swayed him from "one of sajin and Y are scum". God I screwed that one up royally. I knew K7 was a lurker and wouldn't quicklynch. I should've just waited. Sajin, your logic during the start of that day was pretty damn bad though, I'll be honest.
You are far more of a analytical player then I am. I am somewhat analytical with a lot of gut based reads. I had the correct scum before Y voted me. After he voted me I was stunned and figured he must be scum. Then when he unvoted I had it right again.

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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:04 pm

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On the town's side, though -- I REALLY wanted DTF/Ami to be scum to justify my existence. :p
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:10 pm

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That's part of why it took me so long to lynch you D5. I worried I was thinking you were scum largely because I wanted you to be as much.
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:12 pm

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Haha, I was hoping you'd lynch him because of his lie that I couldn't point out, but o well. I definitely learned a lesson about being scum this game =\ But at least I can chalk it up to a learning experience. *look at what can go wrong, not what can go right* though if Y wasn't around, it would've worked.... (wishful thinking)
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:07 pm

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Sajin wrote:What did his sniper powers do anyways?
I was immune to trackers and i did submit the kills the nights you tracked me or claimed 2 or whatever, i feel like i had to game won, all amish had to do was sit back and let sajin and Y attack eachother, i didnt get a chance to tak to him the night before then he came out like a bat out of hell and voted a stupid vote, i killed the way i did the night before on purpose leaving Y and sajin to go after eachother and i wasnt sure if iec was NK immune if he really was a SK. meh well i guess i didnt fuck it up for the team, if drake didnt flake out i feel we would have won.
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:09 pm

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Amished wrote:No, my horrendous play swayed him from "one of sajin and Y are scum". God I screwed that one up royally. I knew K7 was a lurker and wouldn't quicklynch. I should've just waited. Sajin, your logic during the start of that day was pretty damn bad though, I'll be honest.
I was here but went to go read another game and when i came back you had voted.. i clicked refresh just to make sure no one was around but Y unvoted then i was like "well we are fucked thanks amish"
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:14 pm

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I understand coming back to ridicule my poor play because it was stupid, but you easily could've been the first to vote for me because it was so obviously scummy. You could've bussed me to shit and back for my action and you didn't; so fine. Blame it on me, I certainly don't care what you have to think of me.
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:31 am

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I don't buss,and lol iwasn't trying to bash you i was just stating that you came in to strong and the vote was bad wasn't saying you suck or anything i was just venting, i do appreciate you trying to help us win tho.
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:27 pm

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I want to extend my deepest apologies to everybody in this game, Amished and Tarballs in particular. I can't even begin to get into the situation that left me without Internet or time to keep up here because it still makes my blood boil, but it involved an eviction, a broken laptop, a complete asshole roommate, and the first year of an MFA program.

I owe everybody in the game a beer, and Tarballs three and Amished a nice bottle of vodka or something. Hopefully no bridges were burned here, but if they were I understand.

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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:00 am

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