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SensFan wrote:Alright, just got confirmation from the Mod. There are exactly two players who were on the Mist wagon that have wincons that go directly against that of the Town. No sanity/immunity issues to worry about.

Well I guess I should keep going...


Of course, the imminent "Can mafia just lie so long as they don't quote" question has now gone out...I'll get back to you on that one.

And as quick as lightning, I have been provided my answer....


...Anything goes ladies and gentlemen...including lying about mafia contact.


Of course...Now "I" could be lying...but Mr. sens' word is as good as negligible...Granted, I doubt he'd lie as town...so under that continued ASSumption, I'll just lay back from here and let y'all decide.

EBWOP: MODERATOR contact.

What the fuck are you talking about? You thought there was a rule that Mafia can't lie?

SensFan wrote:What the fuck are you talking about? You thought there was a rule that Mafia can't lie?

I won't lie...I wasn't sure...Where I come from it is somewhat frowned upon to use moderators to make a case...and if the mod said that they couldn't use verifications pertaining to rules in that way to a player, that would exonerate your commentary on whether or not you have a "true" meaning...I cover all bases...even the most ridiculous.

I don't apologize that your claim came off suspicious to me...nor do I for investigating into it further this afternoon and evening. Like I said, nothing looks to be coming of it...but I will assuredly tip my hat if you flip dirty down the line, be it endgame or not...because it would be a wildly strong play.

The biggest problem for me is that now my entire scum suspect list is contrary to your claim as to what we should do...and really what I'll probably be looking at over the next few days...thus why I'm asking others for opinion on how to handle the matter...I'd much rather a united forced claim within that list...so it becomes an issue of dividing or uniting...and I'd prefer the latter...so if the majority wants to go away from the list, as per your play, then we should start steppin' to the music....cuz right now I'm in idle.

Soooo 9 people off the mistwagon correct? According to Sens's results there should be approx. 4 scum off of the mist wagon. I am confirmed town to myself, so it's a 4/8 chance of hitting scum off the wagon FMPOV. Pretty good.

Put of those 8 I expect the following to be scum: Tragedy, SA, Wraith, Benmage. (In order of strongest to weakest. Ben just seems off and I hear he lurks as scum, so there's where that comes from.

Where has sottyrulez been? I don't think I've seen them post in a little while.

He only has 10 posts diddin.

Consiligliere is both confsed and confuses me.

Oh that's right. Nevermind.

I've only been skimming seeing as I'm now away. Fonz you need to state more on that.

Diddin my activity is only affected by RL and not alignment dependent. Go look at Mafia 116 and Supernatural, two relatively recent games...and ask me if I lurk as scum. Whereas aCoK I got called out for lurking early game. 180d that around...and was town.

There's not much I can do atm...but I hope to contribute while still being away.

damn it you guys post kinda fast

Ok, I was a dumbass and forgot to leave a note to self on what page I left off on. I think it was 35, so that's where I'm starting tonight.

I don't like Boberz voting Jason for the doc claim. The unvote is just . . .WTF. He gets a few comments defending Jason and just goes "what was I thinking". Dunno, the whole situation is just off.

I don't think people understand Mist's claim unless I misread it. I thought she was saying that she could talk to Simpson each night. Because we hadn't had a night yet, no one would have been able to confirm this unless their role told them that Mist had that ability. Demon's "I'm a Simpson" claim seems pretty unnecessary, especially coming AFTER Mist's lynch. (Oh, I see Kage covered some of this already).

In the Demon/Fonz debate on Rib's hammer, I'm actually finding myself agreeing with Demon (though I don't see either side as scummy in this exchange). Rib gave fair warning that he was going to hammer if he found it necessary. It's also plausible to think that he didn't realize that a player who he saw as scummy would be able to use their night action to confirm themself. A cop/neighbor claim tends to draw more focus to the cop part. Now, the part I don't like about the hammer isn't that everyone should have realized the nieghbor thing could be confirmed. It's that Mist had claimed COP

Gah! That was mid sentence and I hit submit somehow. Ignore it. Mod, please delete if possible. Entire post coming...

Ok, I was a dumbass and forgot to leave a note to self on what page I left off on. I think it was 35, so that's where I'm starting tonight.

I don't like Boberz voting Jason for the doc claim. The unvote is just . . .WTF. He gets a few comments defending Jason and just goes "what was I thinking". Dunno, the whole situation is just off.

I don't think people understand Mist's claim unless I misread it. I thought she was saying that she could talk to one Simpson each night. Because we hadn't had a night yet, no one would have been able to confirm this unless their role told them that Mist had that ability. Demon's "I'm a Simpson" claim seems pretty unnecessary, especially coming AFTER Mist's lynch. (Oh, I see Kage covered some of this already).

In the Demon/Fonz debate on Rib's hammer, I'm actually finding myself agreeing with Demon (though I don't see either side as scummy in this exchange). Rib gave fair warning that he was going to hammer if he found it necessary. It's also plausible to think that he didn't realize that a player who he saw as scummy would be able to use their night action to confirm themself. A cop/neighbor claim tends to draw more focus to the cop part. Now, the part I don't like about the hammer isn't that everyone should have realized the nieghbor thing could be confirmed. It's that Mist had claimed COP and Rib, along with others, thought that that was a good DAY ONE LYNCH. If Mist had been lying, it wouldn't have been hard to figure out by say Day 4. Think about it. It's not always about figuring out on Day 1 if the player is scummy enough to chance whether or not they are lying. The claim actually matters when it's something like that. A player who is forced to claim Day 1 is very unlikely to make it to any LYLO situations anyway, so why not let it play out and get some results. Any town players who pushed the Mist lynch after the claim played very poorly. I definitely expect that multiple scum were involved though (see the list in my last post).

Meh, I'm too tired to make myself read all this. Starting on Page 39 tomorrow.

I don't like Boberz voting Jason for the doc claim. The unvote is just . . .WTF. He gets a few comments defending Jason and just goes "what was I thinking". Dunno, the whole situation is just off.

Just skimmed this and saw this. I was heavily medicated at that point and cannot truly remember doing it forget why. I understant you might not want to believe me but there is nothing more I can say.

Meh. I don't think you'd lie about that.

Sleepless Assassin wrote:Ok, I was a dumbass and forgot to leave a note to self on what page I left off on. I think it was 35, so that's where I'm starting tonight.

I don't like Boberz voting Jason for the doc claim. The unvote is just . . .WTF. He gets a few comments defending Jason and just goes "what was I thinking". Dunno, the whole situation is just off.

I don't think people understand Mist's claim unless I misread it. I thought she was saying that she could talk to one Simpson each night. Because we hadn't had a night yet, no one would have been able to confirm this unless their role told them that Mist had that ability.

Funny, that's exactly what I said.

In the Demon/Fonz debate on Rib's hammer, I'm actually finding myself agreeing with Demon (though I don't see either side as scummy in this exchange). Rib gave fair warning that he was going to hammer if he found it necessary. It's also plausible to think that he didn't realize that a player who he saw as scummy would be able to use their night action to confirm themself. A cop/neighbor claim tends to draw more focus to the cop part. Now, the part I don't like about the hammer isn't that everyone should have realized the nieghbor thing could be confirmed.

It's that Mist had claimed COP and Rib, along with others, thought that that was a good DAY ONE LYNCH. If Mist had been lying, it wouldn't have been hard to figure out by say Day 4.

I find it odd that you said this, which was the main point of my argument with DH:

That said, I really hate people voting her on the basis of her claim. Day one cop claims work themselves out. I have never seen a D1 scum cop claimant survive to lylo in a large. Actually, I've never seen a cop claimant of either stripe do that.

DH and Sens basically jumped down my throat for this with 'OMG she was so obvscum scum couldn't have had anything to do with it' and then you say you agreed with that. I was disturbed because 'Shit, cop claim, unvote' is the natural town reaction to the day one lynch wagonee claiming cop, and yet no-one did. Sens and DH themselves, I can buy: the combination of Simpson role and misreading the neighborizer claim making them think the player was basically confirmed scum. Boberz and rib? Why did they not think 'there is basically no risk in leaving her alive?'

@Ben: I said it was a gut feeling. I'd like to elaborate, but it's pretty hard. A lot of your posts feel like they're talking, but not saying anything. You say 'Explain' a lot. You state willingness to hammer, but 'when ready' as if you're waiting for other player's approval. [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2761173]This post,

you do a kind of Mastin-style 'commenting on a shitload of things people have said of dubious relevance' post, one point on Tragedy that kind of looks like an argument, then you vote Nero Cain, your 'top scum suspect' who you didn't discuss at all in that post.

In fact, the totality of your case on him is:

Don't make waves please. (internetsarcasmit'ssometimeshardtosee)

His presence or lack thereof, is reminiscent of Supernatural Mafia, where he actively chooses to be unseen as scum.

Both of these apply to you, I think, and also, 27 words in 32 posts devoted to the player who is your top scum suspect? Then after the vote, you return to... not talking about him, kinda vaguely prodding at other people with inane questions and statements of questionable relevance. You're clearly not trying to convince anyone else to support your favored wagon, and this is clearly scummy.

Also, in the same post you make this argument, you vote the trendy Jason wagon over Nero, with only 'it's the activity thing that gives me pause.' could you explain whether 'Gives me pause' means 'gives me reason to not suspect' or 'gives me reason to suspect?'

The post in which you voted Jason was your 29th. By that point, he had made 71. So basically, if you're saying you want to vote him because he's a low activity player, you're both wrong and a hypocrite. Jason was one of the most active players. If you're saying it gives you reason NOT to vote him, then... you haven't actually given a reason TO vote him.

Your telling me I need to elaborate while just saying 'Go do a quick ISO of Nacho' as your case on the latter is pretty much hilarious. I've ISOd him, and I see a player who is tunnelling on you. I don't necessarily see scum.

Activity is a towntell for me. Jason's high level gave me pasue..I.e. hesitation to vote him.

Yes most of this game has been playing catch-up.

Yes my reasoning against Nero is mostly personal experience.

Nacho doesn't answer when questioned.

I don't like the fact that Nacho's last post was a week ago.

Ben, literally the only question I can find you asking of Nacho is 'What's up, dude?' Not to mention that I find 'Not answering questions' to be the sort of shit pseudo-scumtell scum use to make townies look scummier. Kinda like 'not giving reasons.' Hey Sens, remember that Newbie game with Dr. Pepper?

BM the lesser wrote:

Guderian wrote: These clowns need to vote:

Nachomamma8, Tragedy, Wraith, Nero Cain, tvellalott, DarlaBlueEyes

Posting without posting…Check.

More hypocrisy, in the light of posts like this:

Benmage wrote: Diddin, you're a VI.

Basically, it seems to me you've actually done just about everything you've found scummy in someone else. Fluff questions, voting without giving reasons (this isn't a scumtell, but being hypocritical about it is) low activity, etc. You had at least three living players at the start of day two that you'd seemed to prefer to Jason toward the end of day one. Basically everything about you seems to scream 'trying to look like he's contributing' rather than 'making a sincere effort to find scum.'

Lololololol look at the context of that last quote buddy.

Yeah fonz I've been trying to keep my head above water this game .... what else is new? But thanks for waiting till I'm on vacation for this.

I still find it funny that Consigliere seems convinced that Sens is lying, while most of us see absolutely no reason for him to lie or draw this much attention to himself at this point in the game.

There ya go. Poll started.

I keep losing track of the list of people not on the wagon, so here it is again.
Not Voting Mist: tvellalott, Benmage, Wraith, , diddin, Tragedy, Steven Hacking, Sleepless Assassin, Nachomamma8, Lowell

I think Wraith is potentially town, as is Diddin. Steven seems alright to me, SA doesn't seem too bad.
So my Pick 4: Lowell for reasons given, then Tragedy and tvella for being lurkalicious, and I need to re-read the remaining two because I don't really remember much about them. I'm going to throw Hiraki in here too, since that's one of the scum the wagon.

There's a pole going for that? Geeze, of course we're lynching off the wagon.

I'm liking you a lot more, Mariyta. No hard feelings.

I'm voting for the offwagon as well, and I don't see any reason why anyone shouldn't. Lowell, SA, Nacho and Steven Hacking are suspect. They're all pretty opinionless and lurky.

Yeah fonz I asked you to elaborate, I'd love nacho to ask me elaborate.