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Smooching and hugging confirmed Town = Gross and scummy.

@Nero: Sorry to hear about your grandmother. It's hardly rolefishing if he's already claimed.
@Slandaar: I'm saying there that with a bit better organization, I'd have an easier time reading your case on Magna.
@Kdub: Do you truly feel me a better blaster target than Drmyshotgun?

Post 1191 will be very important to analyzing this Day. Specifically the fact that at that point in time the vote count was –

BBmolla- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)
MagnaofIllusion- WrathChild, drmyshotgun, splitfarvle, Slandaar, shmugen, NeroCain (L-3)
Nexus- Iecerint, Brizingre1 (L-7)
shmugen- Nexus, MagnaofIllusion, 4nxi3ty, BBmolla (L-5)

Shmugen’s wagon had grown to within 2 of my own and forced him to claim Hated. After I flip it will greatly benefit Town to go back and look at the vote movements related to both of us … those who hopped on and off our wagons. If Shmugen is indeed scum very likely you will catch at least one of his partners after this critical juncture moving to me. Probably someone like Iec who had quietly been active lurking and keeping away from my wagon like the plague up until Shmugen really got momentum.

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Iec wrote: Iec think the argument against lynching MoI is that his blaster manipulations make him a less ideal early lynch, all things being equal. Of course, this doesn't apply if you don't think they're equal.

With the Hated claim, Shmugen looks like a good blaster target.c

Shmugen ever flips scum? Hang Iec. Not that you shouldn’t have already since he’s obv-scum.

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Sean wrote: Where is Magna to defend against all this? it is alot of heat and I would have thought he would say something by now.

And on the another note. I think I am in love with Slandaar your posts in combination with pictures bring tears of joy to my eyes.

Let’s see you replaced Andy didn’t you? Yup, probably scum.

1. Let’s buddy up to Slandaar, especially after your slot was one of the top 3 Slandaar haters Day 1. Scumtastic.
2. If you were reading the thread you would know I am LA on weekends. Nice positioning to make a jump to say “He’s scum avoiding the thread”.

Shmugen wrote:I'll do a partial claim at this point in the form of a request, as I'll be somewhat away all night and don't want anyone surprised. I am hated, so kindly cap the votes on me to 7 if you want my fullclaim.

My question to you is … why did you not immediately claim Hated when you entered the game? As a Town aligned player that is the obvious correct move.

I’ll have to mull over what I think about this development. Normallly a Hated role is pretty much assured Town. The only exception is Mutliball, which I don’t believe this game to be.

After Post 1202 I really don’t know what to think. It has all the hallmarks of scum comfortable with his claim and not wanting to fuel my mislynch.

Vote stays.

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Kdub wrote:OK, can someone please explain to me why players like Nexus and drmyshotgun can lurk and sheep wagons all day while providing no analysis, yet BB can do the same and get away with it?

Kdub this absolutely stinks. If you are Town I expect better. Shotgun has gotten attention because he is purposefully playing the VI-alt game not for lurking. This is also terrible since neither of the players you have indicated have actually flipped.

I’ll grant you that BB is more or less unreadable today but the push on him Day 1 was bad all the way around.

Kdub wrote: If the viable options today are Shmugen or MoI, I would prefer a Shmugen lynch. He is scummier, and I think Magna can potentially buy himself town credit depending on his ability and how he uses it tonight. I will switch to Shmugen in a couple days if things don't change.

And if Shmugen and I are both Town? Lynch Kdub immediately.

This could not be a more transparent play to do the following –

1. Keep his vote idled on a non-starter lynch all Day long. BB is not getting lynched and your play avoiding actively doing anything but staying glued to him is terrible.
2. Position himself to say “ I told you so” when I flip Town since natural momentum will push my lynch over Shmugen’s (or any other option).

Makes less sense if Shmugen is scum but if he's not? Hang him.

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Slandaar gets his own little section at the bottom because I’m not doing scum-hunting here and more pointing out the massive holes in his play.

Slandaar wrote: I am town and will never view Magna as town.

And that is your problem. I’ll drop a few facts on you, very similar to those you threw at me before you confirmed yourself.

1. I’m the second most active player in the game. Booyah. It’s funny that your “I’m active and Town” stance from Day 1 somehow doesn’t apply to me.
2. I’ll put it bluntly since you can’t actively disengage from your butthurt over my attacks on you – I’ve claimed a Vig role. One that is clearly supported by the Nightkill flavor (note how Syndrome was hit by ALL Blastar shots that Night). No-one has counter-claimed or even suggested my claim was bogus. You want to suggest I’m Mafia scum (as in aligned with ooba) who has the ability to co-opt the Town driven Blastar mechanic. Knock yourself out. But until you can cross that hurdle the fact that you are blithely ignoring that shows how poor (and I’m guessing personally driven) your ‘crusade’ is.

But I digress … I was busy showing how poor your thought processes were.

Slandaar wrote: Magna cannot explain his SD read, is it a coincidence Magnas likely buddy Ooba (will get to in a sec) is on the team that kills SD? (this is an assumption but very likely)

First off you clearly are either incapable of reading or just hoping repeating things regarding the Shadow read. I’ve explained it multiple times. Shadow’s read on your terrible Malee attack (and it was terrible, no two ways about it) matched my read which is from a Town perspective. Plus his approach to this game was very reminiscent of both Olympus Mafia and Back to the Future Mafia. He was Town in both places.

But to further show your lack of logic – what exactly is my motivation, as hypothetical scum, to Nightkill the person I’ve been calling Town all Day long and who reciprocates that read? Hmmm? Especially since clearly the scum would have some idea that another faction (be it a Serial Killer or other scum) is out there based solely on their faction nuimbers. I’ll be waiting for something that makes a hint of sense. I don't expect it to come as it's probably the worst possible play for any scum faction to kill someone who

A. Professes a strong Town read on a member
B. Could be under serious fire after Day 1 pushing the confirmed Town (no matter how scummy he played until the Innocent Child halo).

Slandaar wrote:Read the Magna -> Ooba interactions here. Magna unvotes me because of what ooba, says. But Magna based on his previous posts SHOULD suspect ooba. Why does Magna listen to ooba? Why does Magna TRUST SOMEONE HE SHOULD SUSPECT BASED ON HIS COMMENTS? it does not make sense from a town Magna perspective but a scum magna scum ooba? yep.

Really? It makes sense for scum Magna to listen to his patner and not keep pushing you, who were scummy as fuck? Especially given that Multi-scum theory people keep floating. Nope, makes no sense. But keep on with your blather.

Slandaar wrote:All three of us, all three of the confirmed town in this game suspect Magna. This is not something to take lightly. This is fact. Magna is suspected BY THE TOWN.This is not some conspiracy theory, Magna is/was viewed as scum by every confirmed town in this game.

And of course that means that all three of you have terrible scum-hunting skills, or at least you do in regards to reading me.

Slandaar wrote:I think its likely this save Magna wagon is a desperate attempt by scum. Nexus/BB/Magna all on one wagon? DO NOT WANT.

We must stand strong

The Magna Lynch must happen

I’m just dropping this here for post-game (I would say the dead thread but I think it will probably be awhile for you to get there since I doubt the remaining scum are threatened in the least).

Come on scum ... get busy pushing my mislynch through. It will be all the more obvious if you just lurk it out pretending to scum-hunt and let Town have a rush at Deadline. You might be able to salvage some Town cred (I'm lying totally right here ... you are screwed at this juncture).

Saying it will be a mislynch on your own lynch = Doesn't do much.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Saying it will be a mislynch on your own lynch = Doesn't do much.

Stop pretending. Playing in an stunt alt is highly over-rated. Whoever you actually are you are probably better than that ...

↑ DeathNote wrote:

~Replacing Sword_of_omens and drmyshotgun.~

Why are you placing drmyshotgun?

Replacing. Fuck sake.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Slandaar gets his own little section at the bottom

Yay!

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
1. I’m the second most active player in the game. Booyah. It’s funny that your “I’m active and Town” stance from Day 1 somehow doesn’t apply to me.

Ths was never my stance. My point that went over your head was . Which as we can see is actually ridiculous.

I am not accusing you of lurking.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
2. I’ve claimed a Vig role. One that is clearly supported by the Nightkill flavor (note how Syndrome was hit by ALL Blastar shots that Night). No-one has counter-claimed or even suggested my claim was bogus. You want to suggest I’m Mafia scum (as in aligned with ooba) who has the ability to co-opt the Town driven Blastar mechanic.

Yep. If the blaster mechanic is towndriven, why is your role needed from the towns perspective? all those with blasters can make a decision on their own... isnt this what you were saying yesterday?
I honestly don't care about this though its a desperate argument, theres no reason your role has to be town (line above) so im not getting into setup spec now. Simple.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
First off you clearly are either incapable of reading or just hoping repeating things regarding the Shadow read. I’ve explained it multiple times. Shadow’s read on your terrible Malee attack (and it was terrible, no two ways about it) matched my read which is from a Town perspective. Plus his approach to this game was very reminiscent of both Olympus Mafia and Back to the Future Mafia. He was Town in both places.

You say it was a town perspective, but to me, it was the scum perspective. Note, SD took that side, he was scum.

And it definitely was the scum perspective, its much easier for you as scum to come after me than agree and go after Malee... hey, this was one of my minor points on SD.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
But to further show your lack of logic – what exactly is my motivation, as hypothetical scum, to Nightkill the person I’ve been calling Town all Day long and who reciprocates that read? Hmmm? Especially since clearly the scum would have some idea that another faction (be it a Serial Killer or other scum) is out there based solely on their faction nuimbers. I’ll be waiting for something that makes a hint of sense. I don't expect it to come as it's probably the worst possible play for any scum faction to kill someone who

A. Professes a strong Town read on a member
B. Could be under serious fire after Day 1 pushing the confirmed Town (no matter how scummy he played until the Innocent Child halo).

There is no reason 1 scum faction would know there an SK.
To show you were right on one of your reads and discredit mine. To get rid of someone who ooba seemed to think was a PR. Its someone you can't push day 2 if he flips town. You restore some credit to your reads.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Really? It makes sense for scum Magna to listen to his patner and not keep pushing you, who were scummy as fuck?

More sense than you listening to someone you suspect. You thought 'hey this ooba is probably scum but he keeps saying Slands town, maybe I will listen to him'? but then, you should just have voted ooba...

I don't believe you can think the lurker argument was worth pushing so hard and for so long. I told you the only way is to show me meta so I could decide if you do tunnel this ridiculously as scum or not, but you didn't produce which is massively antitown.

You are scum.

Slandaar wrote:Ths was never my stance. My point that went over your head was you are accusing the most active player in the game of lurking. Which as we can see is actually ridiculous.

Oh really? You didn’t correlate activity with Town before the crash? Let’s examine your response at Post 126 and 129 of the Archive in response to Malee …

Slandaar wrote:
Malee please view the activity overview

Now

Slandaar wrote: post count thing was me saying I have posted more than most.

Malee is prob scum

Malee had just given you a ‘Null’ read and wanted more posts from you. Now you certainly were posting a lot just with no real content to this point (this is when you began your ridiculous Malee push).

And your reaction to a Null (not a Scum) read from Malee?

“I’ve posted more than most, you are scum”.

The only way you can make that conclusion is if you are asserting she should have given you a Town read for posting often (even with mostly fluff). Thus you are inherently asserting Activity – Town.

You can keep arguing if you want to but saying you only said this in regards to your brain-lock in being unable to be a big boy and recognize the thread was open for 5 days without a Prod to hold you hand then you would be lying.

Slandaar wrote:Yep. If the blaster mechanic is towndriven, why is your role needed from the towns perspective? all those with blasters can make a decision on their own... isnt this what you were saying yesterday?
I honestly don't care about this though its a desperate argument, theres no reason your role has to be town (line above) so im not getting into setup spec now. Simple.

So you don’t want to get into set-up spec when it undermines your postion. Noted, got it.

You can’t provide a Scum motivation for immediately claiming my direction of all Blastar shots to Syndrome right at the start of the Day under no pressue. Case closed. Thanks for playing.

Slandaar wrote:You say it was a town perspective, but to me, it was the scum perspective. Note, SD took that side, he was scum.

And it definitely was the scum perspective, its much easier for you as scum to come after me than agree and go after Malee... hey, this was one of my minor points on SD.

Point 1 – regardless if this is Multi-scum or Shadow was a Serial Killer he had reason to authentically scum-hunt the other scum faction during the Day. So your first point makes no sense.

Point 2 – Which is it? You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth on the issue of your Malee case.

Side A – It was honest scum-hunting.
Side B – It would be easier for scum to attack you than agree with your Malee case.

These two premises CANNOT co-exist.

If your stance is you were doing great scum-hunting work on Malee then Town should agree with you (since you are Town) and have wanted to lynch her.

Now if it was easier for scum to attack your case on her than support it the case must be so fundamentally not good that it looked like you were scum for doing so.

So which is it … keep in mind if you believe Multi-scum you have to believe that scum would be doing their utmost to look out for the other side.

So in the end you want it both ways and you can’t have it as such.

Slandaar wrote: There is no reason 1 scum faction would know there is/very likely is an SK.
To show you were right on one of your reads and discredit mine. To get rid of someone who ooba seemed to think was a PR. Its someone you can't push day 2 if he flips town. You restore some credit to your reads.

If you believe these you really don’t understand good Scum play. The only scum who kill people to "make their reads look good" are stupid scum.

Slandaar wrote:I don't believe you can think the lurker argument was worth pushing so hard and for so long. I told you the only way is to show me meta so I could decide if you do tunnel this ridiculously as scum or not, but you didn't produce which is massively antitown.

You are scum.

What you believe is irrelevant. My mistake was giving you credit for not being a complete derp and thinking you would not need hand-holding like a child to find the thread again. I will make that mistake again.

No, I’m not. But thanks for just repeating things over and over.

Malee said something like 'Slandaar needs to post more' my point was shes being ridiculous getting on my back when I had highest post count (or close to) ... Therefore she is not being impartial as there were many others who she could have pestered. Nothing to do with being town due to post count.

I find Malees huge posts suspicious, however, the point is if im right or wrong on her, it doesnt matter, because when wrong scum will take her side, when right they will too... so scum are in the people taking her side. It doesnt make someone scum on its own, but chance someone is scum is higher who takes that line.

I was in like 6 or 7 games its not hard to forget to check one signup thread... for a couple days. I mean I did remember it on the weekend afterall.

And don't say that didnt cross your mind, you knew I was in a lot of games when you said 'posting all over the site but not here'

If I was in 1 other, maybe, but nope. You were being ridiculous.

Back from my trip. I've got some work to catch up on, but I'll be on later to comment. For now I still have a question:

@MoI: Why did you post this:

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:I’m really bored now – can we just move along rather than puttering around like a bunch of retirees?

My scum reads in vaguely decending order – Iec, Andrius’s slot, Anxiety, Split, Shmugen, Nexus, Briz.

We don’t really get common enough Vote-Counts to really know what wagons are current but it looks like either Nexus or myself is the lynch for today. People not voting us probably need to either make a real strong push on their candidate dejur or pick your poison between us.

I’ll pretty much be prod dodging the rest of the Day until lynch. Sorry Deathnote but I have lost all interest in this game.

Then continue to post ISO #120-124?

Additionally, why are you announcing unnecessary V/LA's? You are only off site for about 48 hours and activity prods set in after 72 hours. Are you afraid of being accused of lurking?

Because I wanted to Wrath. You have an issue with that?

As to my V/LA announcements - I make them universally across the board in all my games. You have a reason to suggest I not consistently do so that is alignment relevant? Also given that Sean actually did exactly as you suggested (where is MoI?) this weekend I think it is warranted.

Also Wrath - why not comment about the substance of my posting as opposed to secondary issues like this that are not scum-hunting related?

↑ Shmugen wrote:@Nero: Sorry to hear about your grandmother.

It's hardly rolefishing if he's already claimed.

ok. Then maybe I'm not understanding. Please explain how knowing what he did last night would help you to find scum.

How could having on record whether he chose to be blaster immune or to force someone to target him be a bad thing?

so it has nothing to do with hunting scum. got it

It has everything to do with accountability, Nero, which can aid in hunting scum.

@Magna: I didn't claim hated immediately for two reasons. One, I'd never been hated before and figured mentioning it when a wagon cropped up would be good enough and Two, I didn't want scum to get the wrong impression. Hated VT seems a silly thing in a large theme with no VTs.

Internet accessibility is sketchy for me through tomorrow evening.

↑ drmyshotgun wrote:Smooching and hugging confirmed Town = Gross and scummy.

Hey, shotgun actually made a good post that I agree with for a change.

↑ Shmugen wrote:@Kdub: Do you truly feel me a better blaster target than Drmyshotgun?

Yes, because a town player with your role essentially pushes lylo one day closer, with the added whammy that only scum know exactly when that is since they know the size of their own team and town (though we can generally guess) does not.

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:And if Shmugen and I are both Town? Lynch Kdub immediately.

This could not be a more transparent play to do the following –

1. Keep his vote idled on a non-starter lynch all Day long. BB is not getting lynched and your play avoiding actively doing anything but staying glued to him is terrible.
2. Position himself to say “ I told you so” when I flip Town since natural momentum will push my lynch over Shmugen’s (or any other option).

Makes less sense if Shmugen is scum but if he's not? Hang him.

My vote is on BB, but I have been consistent in my suspicion of Shmugen and expressed my willingness to vote him. It's not like people are going to just look at my vote and suddenly forget that I had other suspects.

↑ Shmugen wrote:It has everything to do with accountability, Nero, which can aid in hunting scum.

yet I keep asking you to explain and you won't. I kinda get where you are going but why did you not ask this earlier?

It hadn't crossed my mind until it occurred to me that blaster immunity seemed more like a scum power.

We aren't going to be playing outguess the mod here.

<intent to vote shum if need be>

↑ MagnaofIllusion wrote:

Sean wrote: Where is Magna to defend against all this? it is alot of heat and I would have thought he would say something by now.

And on the another note. I think I am in love with Slandaar your posts in combination with pictures bring tears of joy to my eyes.

Let’s see you replaced Andy didn’t you? Yup, probably scum.

1. Let’s buddy up to Slandaar, especially after your slot was one of the top 3 Slandaar haters Day 1. Scumtastic.
2. If you were reading the thread you would know I am LA on weekends. Nice positioning to make a jump to say “He’s scum avoiding the thread”.

I agree with this, and further, I think he's your other buddy. Andrius was the other player I thought might be linked to you due to your mentioning his lurkiness above other lurkers as you did with ooba.

I want one of these to flip today: MoI, Cow, BB, Sean in that order.

↑ Nero Cain wrote:We aren't going to be playing outguess the mod here.

<intent to vote shum if need be>

You seem intent on defending BB here from some legitimate questions. Why is that?

ummmmmm no. I just think playing outguess the mod is futile.

just look at this sequence. Shm is info fishing. I ask him what this has to do with scumhunting. He pretty much says there's no harm in us knowing. Then he's like "we'll if we know then down the road it might be helpful to know" I kinda got the vibe that Shm was a tracker/watcher and wanted to know if BB's actions messed with his info.

This has nothng to do with BB and everything to do with finding Shm scummy for what I felt was a pretty useless question.

Why do you find Shmugens questioning of BB to be so townie?