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Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:45 pm
by EddieFenix
In post 1216, Psyche wrote:Here's the deal. I now have the ability to do a 200-game study on how town/scum have used any set of words. I can do other stuff, too, but it only takes me ~4 minutes to do a "set of words" study. I have already done a study on single words and am currently in the process of learning how to figure out if a finding is statistically significant.

Anyone have any ideas relevant to this game that I can use this ability for?
I'm not sure exactly HOW this is going to work for you... Buuuuuuuuut be my guest with it and let's see how it works.

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:41 pm
by Skullduggery
In post 1223, Psyche wrote:elaboration:

NS just joins wagons, pushes them only half-heartedly, and deliberately fails to participate in the game

buzzwords:
opportunistic, active lurking, wagon-sitter, demagogue, disingenuous, idkc
I was kind of hoping for some quotes to supplement your case, but I guess this will suffice. Thanks.

Do you think Nobody Special is a better lynch choice than Boxxy today? Why or why not?
In post 1222, Desperado wrote:I fear that it won't, skull. My guess is that Monkey does not consider me a multi-visiting role because I don't commit two separate actions, so on a track or watch they will receive only the first name that I visit.
I don't see how that makes sense, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume that when you submit your night action, you say something to the effect of "I'd like to switch Player X and Player Y tonight." You're performing an action on two players simultaneously, so there shouldn't be a "first" or "second" name. Is that not how your role works?

I only see three possibilities here: either you're lying (unlikely), Pope is lying (possible, but also unlikely), or there's something weird going on with Boxxy. Which of these three possibilities do you think is the most likely?

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:24 pm
by Metal Sonic
In post 1224, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 1195, Metal Sonic wrote:hello eddie


nice to meet you

have you replaced in or something cause this is like the first time i noticed you in here woopsies
I been here the whole time?? I know you have a thing for wanting Bulba here (saw that in the early game). And I'm not sure why you aren't keeping up. I know Day 2 flew by in less than 24 hrs. So, I would kindly ask for a quick read of day 2 please :).

ok fine

because you said so :)

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:13 am
by Dante
In post 1222, Desperado wrote:I fear that it won't, skull. My guess is that Monkey does not consider me a multi-visiting role because I don't commit two separate actions, so on a track or watch they will receive only the first name that I visit.
Huh? Say again?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:27 am
by Desperado
In post 1226, Skullduggery wrote:I don't see how that makes sense, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume that when you submit your night action, you say something to the effect of "I'd like to switch Player X and Player Y tonight." You're performing an action on two players simultaneously, so there shouldn't be a "first" or "second" name. Is that not how your role works?

I only see three possibilities here: either you're lying (unlikely), Pope is lying (possible, but also unlikely), or there's something weird going on with Boxxy. Which of these three possibilities do you think is the most likely?
You are correct about my role.

If those are my only three options then something weird is going on with boxxy, but I honestly think it's d) bus drivers are confusing and the way that we think they should work is not how they are working in the context of this game.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:30 am
by Psyche
im happy with boxxy to a limited extent for solid lurky play

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:31 am
by Desperado
In post 1228, Dante wrote:
In post 1222, Desperado wrote:I fear that it won't, skull. My guess is that Monkey does not consider me a multi-visiting role because I don't commit two separate actions, so on a track or watch they will receive only the first name that I visit.
Huh? Say again?
I know I'm not lying.

I seriously doubt TIP is scum and just guessed that a) I'm a PR, and b) that I visited him.

The simplest solution is that our interpretation of what would appear on a tracker's report after visiting me is incorrect. Tiphaine mentioned that Monkey's idea of double targeting roles is "kinda fucked up" because he also thought he targeted two people when in reality, he doesn't.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:45 am
by TheIrishPope
How would he know? And how is he believable?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:04 am
by Psyche
Uh. There's this thing called reasonable doubt. Emphasis on 'reasonable'.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:11 am
by Desperado
In post 1232, TheIrishPope wrote:How would he know? And how is he believable?
He claims to have a role that also intuitively visits two people but, in practice, does not.

And frankly he's believable because his information explains the inconsistencies perfectly and that is not information I would expect scum to divulge.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:23 am
by TheIrishPope
Yes, but HOW would he know that in practice his role doesn't do that?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:25 am
by Psyche
he has used it..?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:26 am
by TheIrishPope
And he tot back that only one person was affected? What role is this?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:28 am
by Desperado
In post 1235, TheIrishPope wrote:Yes, but HOW would he know that in practice his role doesn't do that?
He asked the mod what would happen if someone tracked him after you claimed?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:28 am
by Psyche
why are you rolefishing???

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:31 am
by TheIrishPope
And the mod would answer that back? Holy shit

Actually, new rule, no one can say the word "mod", agreed?

I'm not rolefishing, I'm winning the game because if someone is making false claims I'm jumpin' on tha nigga's ass

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:04 am
by Desperado
Yes, if Tiphaine has a role that he thinks visits two people, he's more than welcome to ask "If a tracker hypothetically tracked me, would I appear to be visiting both people or just one?"

It's no different from what you asked so I'm not sure why you're pretending like it's weird?

Unless you're lying about asking Monkey about your role.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:11 am
by TheIrishPope
It's not weird if I ask it; I'm the Tracker
It's weird that he asks for it, searching immunity from Tracker
And why would he go specifically for Tracker? Why not other roles?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:15 am
by Desperado
But it's not about you or the tracker. Tiphaine is free to ask the mod any question that he wants as long as it relates to his role. How was he searching for immunity?

And you had already by the time he revealed his information.

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:19 am
by TheIrishPope
It just seems odd that you of all people would think he questioned the mod on that subject, but oh well...

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:20 am
by Desperado
In post 1244, TheIrishPope wrote:It just seems odd that you of all people would think he questioned the mod on that subject, but oh well...
...

huh?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:21 am
by TheIrishPope
In post 1238, Desperado wrote: He asked the mod what would happen if someone tracked him after you claimed?
Did you forget you said this or something?

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:29 am
by Desperado
I was confused about why its odd that "me of all people would think he questioned the mod."

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:39 am
by Psyche
zzz

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:44 am
by Dante
In post 1248, Psyche wrote:zzz
Vote Psyche...snoring.