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In post 1223, Generic wrote:

In post 1221, Ms Marangal wrote:

In post 1219, Generic wrote:Hypocricy isn't scummy.

You are though.

You were using it as a scum-tell when going after Nacho

And you were saying it wasnt. Changing your arguement are you?

Easy reason you can confirm someone is town with absolute certainty, you know who's in your scum team.

I never said it wasn't a scum-tell, and even if I was, It isn't changing my argument.

how is it changing my argument?

I am just saying that, you called Nacho scummy for being a hypocrite and now that it's targeted toward you it no longer is a scum-tell?

I even said I would wait for a reason but, instead of giving me one you just say Hypocrisy isn't scummy

In post 1223, Generic wrote:Easy reason you can confirm someone is town with absolute certainty, you know who's in your scum team.

and I know you are way, way better than this

and I know that you know there are other roles that can give you a clear, or near clear read

Is this another one of those 'reach out' to me moments?

Short of being mod cleared I will assume you are scum until game end. So why exactly are you still talking to me?

because I'm town, and I have serious doubts that I might be wrong about my early read on you

why are you so adverse to even trying to work with me?

Hell, lets give it a shot...



Who is your top suspect and why?

For me I am not overly keen on shadowehs 'I'm always lynchbait' crap. My task when I come back to this game is to compare early posts with later ones.

In post 1203, Bert wrote:Mara, Desp was an SK

In post 1211, Bert wrote:I was just taking their word for it that Desp was an SK - that's what the consensus is.

This is a weird sequence. Bert, who's they and what do you think?

Shadoweh only mentioned lynch bait once IIRC, and there are others who had mentioned it as well. what makes hers any different?

I think that, currently, mine has to be a tie between Inte and Matt and I think I want to focus more on the latter

I think alot of the stuff garantula did is surfacely townish with a little bit of insight to what he thinks, but I don't think it's enough. It also has to do with the fact that I have enough town-reads so he's kinda PoE

In post 1231, qwints wrote:This is a weird sequence. Bert, who's they and what do you think?

No idea. Yielding to their expertise (Tammy, Nacho)

In post 1232, Ms Marangal wrote:I think alot of the stuff garantula did is surfacely townish with a little bit of insight to what he thinks, but I don't think it's enough.

Yeah. Garantula's play should have no impact on how we view his/her replacement.

In post 1224, Empire wrote:Mara, I don't think there's an SK but I need to think about it because Desperado technically could still be one considering he's aligned with himself.

Do you *think* he's aligned with himself or not?

In post 1171, Tammy wrote:VOTE: qwints

I still like this read and is one 'marble and I agreed on in the neighborhood. Bye Llamarble

Why did Marble find qwints scum?

In post 1174, Tammy wrote:Rereading through that thread, he talks about how he rages at people to get reactions, so it's really possible what I was reading as fake rage ala fortnight with the shoe was fake but not the fake scum type but the fake town type to get reactions.

I don't think that's a good reason to call kuribo town. His fake rage is essentially a reaction test and he's aware that he does it as town and thus it's not that hard for him to replicate it as scum.

In post 1174, Tammy wrote:But 'marble did ask inte to full claim in the neighborhood and he didn't.

Why not, inte?

In post 1174, Tammy wrote:He really suspects Shadoweh based on a lack of town tells and thinks that her showdown with Bert could just be her making a stand to look town.

Not to mention that she was an early voter on Desperado but didn't actually push that a whole lot.

In post 1176, Tammy wrote:Okay, but when we talked about Desperado in the neighborhood we came to the conclusion that he was an sk cuz he was death aligned with death. If that's the case, then nobody is clear from that.

FakeGod's standard colors are red for Mafia, blue for town. He changed the colors for Assassins and Guards, so I'm guessing he wouldn't make an SK dark red. I'm leaning towards Desp being group-scum at the moment.

In post 1191, Shadoweh wrote:I actually like this theory because it means Desperado trying to lynch Shoe doesn't exonerate the lurking bag of suck who clearly isn't paying attention to why he can't just keep lurking.

What's your scumteam if Desperado is an SK?

In post 1198, Bert wrote:Yes, but he also has a competent scumgame apparently. I haven't seen him/her as scum.

Qwints replacing in as scum, opening post:

In post 1583, qwints wrote:VOTE: Amrun

Here's how I'm feeling right now:

Town reads: Elyse; Majiffy; Mollie; AP
Scum reads: Amrun; Grim

That leaves: wisdom, enomis and venmar.

Elyse was an early townread (given hindsight) due to the jokey "obv-town" comment on NS. There was no reason for her to draw attention like she did if she were scum. She's also a critical part of the NS switch. She's town.

Majiffy's early drunken challenge seems overconfident town majiffy to me, and he's town for being first on the final version of the NS wagon

Mollie's town because Majiffy says so.

Amrun's early game theorizing came off as scummy. He hammered SC early on, and then avoided the NS wagon while voicing very limited support

In post 812, Amrun wrote:I think we should lynch ns if he doesn't provide content today.

In post 812, Amrun wrote:I don't actually want to lynch him over AP. I want to use the threat of lynching him to force him to produce content. But if I'm not willing to put my money where my mouth is, it's an empty threat. And the thing is, if he's not going to provide content at all, it's better to lynch him now than later even if he IS Town.

The sad thing is is that he probably is town because usually as scum he puts in some token effort.

I love NS but in a 4 scum night less game we can't afford dead weight.

In post 813, Amrun wrote:In fact, Safety dance has produced SOMETHING, and what he has produced I lean scum on.

But ns hasn't posted anything at all but prod dodges.

and then claims credit with:

In post 1292, Amrun wrote:

challenge the monkeys

Well, that's why we lynch ns. He is too hard to read to keep around very long.

Looks different enough where I'm not going to repeat the same mistake I made in Scumhunter Speed.

In post 1202, Ms Marangal wrote:I also wouldn't be alive if Shadoweh was scum so...

Llamarble-town is still a significant threat that may mean that she took a shot at him over you.

In post 1232, Ms Marangal wrote:Shadoweh only mentioned lynch bait once IIRC, and there are others who had mentioned it as well. what makes hers any different?

I think that, currently, mine has to be a tie between Inte and Matt and I think I want to focus more on the latter

I think alot of the stuff garantula did is surfacely townish with a little bit of insight to what he thinks, but I don't think it's enough. It also has to do with the fact that I have enough town-reads so he's kinda PoE

It's a good point, I also did and still do suspect peacebringers slot...

Who replaced him?

In post 1234, Nachomamma8 wrote:FakeGod's standard colors are red for Mafia, blue for town. He changed the colors for Assassins and Guards, so I'm guessing he wouldn't make an SK dark red. I'm leaning towards Desp being group-scum at the moment.

Oh...

In post 1235, Generic wrote:Who replaced him?

qwints...

In post 1234, Nachomamma8 wrote:Not to mention that she was an early voter on Desperado but didn't actually push that a whole lot.

Hmm...still such a quick turnaround on Shadoweh, that it worries me to hear you say this

In post 1236, Bert wrote:Hmm...still such a quick turnaround on Shadoweh, that it worries me to hear you say this

Why is that?

You still haven't given a detailed enough, acceptable explanation to what changed your mind about Shadoweh over one night phase

Oh, and you will notice the total 180 mara has done on my alignment... Remember the anger I had at her cocky little 'never wrong on my generic read' bullshit... Just one for everyone to take in.

She was full of shit, I am vindicated.

Putting my vote back on qwints too

bert did you just hammer him

Lynch -2 now

Nacho are you faking falling behind in this game

Really???

nope just making sure you're paying attention.
who were my main scumspects yesterday?

Desperado, Shoeuntil blacklist tell, generic early on

Llamarble but not worth d1 lynch to you cuz of usefulness

Not Shadoweh or Mara or me

U didn't say much about Tammy or empire

Idk why but u never really scumread gaiden

I snooze in 50% of my games

Other 50% I stay interested and this is one of the interesting ones

In post 613, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think Shadoweh is town still although that townread slowly erodes.

In post 943, Nachomamma8 wrote:although shadoweh and desperado do work better as a team.

I started scumreading Shadoweh around this point. Then, I reread Desperado, scumread on him solidified. Then Llamarble turned town as fuck, you started getting paranoid about me, and I started endorsing Shadoweh town because Desperado was already sorted scum and a flashwagon on Shadoweh instead of Desperado (when we had been pushing Desperado all day) when no one could come up with a reason why he was town would have been a bad idea.

Kay.

Makes me feel better. I remember that statement about the read eroding but at that time I thought you may be distancing from Shadow

And you also said someone and Desperado works better as a team than A and B, I forget.

In post 1060, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 989, Ms Marangal wrote:Why not Nacho?

And yes I am still scum-reading Generic and I'm getting tired of waiting for him to do pro-town things

shadoweh looks pretty damn town and I have no idea why you are scumreading her.

Nacho, cut the crap. I just got onto a computer because this doesn't feel right. This is 1060 past 943, and why did you lie to Mara about your read.

Because you didn't want a flashwagon on Shadoweh? Really?

In post 943, Nachomamma8 wrote:although shadoweh and desperado do work better as a team.

OK, found this.

In post 987, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 980, Ms Marangal wrote:There is no way in fuck am I lynching, or even voting Peacebringer

VOTE: Shadoweh <--- would love for this to get backed up

i'll back up a llamarble vote maybe but not this, sorry.

You said you would back up a llamarble vote "maybe," even though that would be a flash wagon too. And you just said you didn't want to wagon Shadoweh because it would be a flash wagon and not enough support? But then you say you would be willing to vote llamarble which is essentially the same thing...