Mini 1516: Mafia in Space (Game Over)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Day 2, Votecount 8

fferyllt [0]

Kid A [3]

ICEninja, TvK, Squirrel Girl

TvK [2]

Regfan, fferyllt

My Milked Eek [0]

penguin_alien [0]

Regfan [0]

ICEninja [1]

Kid A

Garmr [0]

Squirrel Girl [0]

Wake88 [2]

My Milked Eek, Garmr

havingfitz [0]

Not Voting [3]

- penguin_alien, havingfitz, Wake88

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is on December 8th at 11:30 AM PST or in (expired on 2013-12-08 11:30:00)

[Wake1]

*Post, not posts.

Directed towards Fferryllt.

[Wake1]

Here's some info:

I'm on a cheap trac-phone that lags. 2" by 1.5" screen. No tabs. While on this phone, if I don't have pen and pad I have to remember everything from memory.

That makes it really tough for me to respond to all of you. I've maintained my patience while responding to all of you. I'm also trying to get caught up, but I'm finding it a great struggle to A) find time to read 1200+ posts and B) remember it all. Please be patient with me, and work with me please.

What does everyone think of my latest three reads on ICE? Do they suit your tastes, or should I continue modifying my style according to

my

tastes? Are there any other questions you'd want to ask me? I'm finding it difficult to engage practically everyone at once... but at least I'm able to.

[fferyllt]

Your ICEninja reads were easy to understand and react to, IMO.

[Wake1]

Also, I'm a cautious and conservative individual. I hate mislynches, so I hold back. I'm not gonna look at few things and scream "HE'S SCUM!!!" That's not me. I'd rather look over different statements and give my reads that way. So for all you guys who say my reads don't exist, just know that not everyone's the same and that some people are more wary of mislynches than others. I can opine and read seperately a vast collection of statements, but I'm NOT quick to condem or vindicate people. I will, however, state who's leaning and null, because there's rarely enough there to call someone Town or Scum with very high certainty.

My methods are different, and I hate the guilt of mislynching people.

I can try more of those reads, Ffery. I'd like to get back to firing some shots, too.

[Garmr]

best scum game ever

[Wake1]

Your ICEninja reads were easy to understand and react to, IMO.

You can talk more than that.

Any modifications?

[Wake1]

It happened. Wanna move back?

Is there a reason why?

I find his contributions and play terrible, but I was thinking bout it and thought 'why the heck wouldn't a scum player at least, y'know, toss out *some* sort of read after the amount of heat he's getting. Instead he's sitting on top of a pile of 'meh' and defending it like he painted the Mona Lisa or something.

That's pretty much the only reservation I have at this point.

That's it? Any scumreads on me?

[fferyllt]

I think you've been accommodating enough tbh. I'd be pretty cranky about the negative feedback under similar circumstances.

Don't harm the personal utility of how you develop cases trying to please a bunch of people who may disagree with each other anyway.

[Wake1]

You're not gagged, Kid A. Save your bacon.

You wanna expound on your latter sentence, Ffery? Pretty please?

[Regfan]

Sorry, been caught up packing and getting things organised for a family trip in a few days.

I'll try and carve out some time late tonight to get to this game though

yell at me and call me names if I don't

.

[Regfan]

Ugh, I can't keep my eyes open a minute more, it'll have to be tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

Catching up from my last pre-Thanksgiving post.  12+ pages....ugh.
 
Note to self...see if Kid A ever responds to TvK's p.915 question.
 
@Garmr wrt Post 925, the last player I played with who contributed asinine limericks was scum.  Just saying.  And you should really wait until you've gotten something right before you go around using the VI term.
 
I like Eek's Post 931.
 
Wake is seeing SG and ICE as scum.  Not sure I agree with that.  I do agree with ICE's Double standard post considering Wake has not addressed anything I said to him in my Post 916.
 
Awesome Kid A Post /sarcasm
 
@Kid A wrt Post 1006 comments on my kill dissonance.  It's consistent with previous game/s where I was Vig.  There was no dissonance.  I don't make a habit of giving exact targets as a Vig but am willing to provide/discuss 2 or 3 potential targets.
 
@ICEninja wrt Post 1007...KMA.
 
@penguin_alien wrt Post 1031, what about my Vig performance in Open 505 do you find much better than my play in this game?  The fact I pushed a mislynch on D1 and has most of the scum team wrong or the fact I shot someone I suspected (who I do not recall if they were a universal scum read or not) N1 and hit scum?  And then I was killed N1 and that was it.  So how is this game different?  Because I guessed wrong N1?
 
@Kid A wrt Post 1067.  That was a very enjoyable post.  Your imagination is top notch.  You should post more.
 
@penguin_alien wrt Post 1091...does town like when they feel they are being meta'ed inaccurately?  And what does me being a Vig have to do with my suspicions towards Herself.  If anything...the knowledge I could do something about Herself probably contributed to me looking at other players as well (that and the fact Herself wasn't getting a lot of support).
 
@Wake wrt Post 1094, if you do not believe my claim then that means you think I am lying and should be voting me.  So why aren't you?  And having an Odd Night vig in not way infers there is an Even Night vig.  I might have seen that happen once and I'm not even sure if it was in a game I was in or not.  And I addressed the "didn't talk the shot" over issue you have in my Post 916 which you have ignored.  Having less than 24 hours between claim and lynch doesn't exactly allow for a lot of Vig shot options discussion.
 
Also...why are you voting outside of the two people you seen to have suspected the most recently (SG & ICE) ?  It looks like from your scoring system that Kid is tied with me + Eek + fferyllt in your 2nd spot...behind SG (who you aren't voting) and ahead of ICE (who you just were voting).  WTF?
 
@Kid A wrt Post 1097...the fact I claimed a PR didn't seem to bother you at the start of today.  Why make that a point of concern now?
 
I have suspicions towards Kid but Wake's attempts to squeeze a claim out of him (and hypothesize on the other mason in general) are still suspect imo.  Not so much the Kid pressure because Kid is at L-1 but moreso in conjunction with all the mason conjecture.
 
@ICE A wrt Post 1000, why would I be a NK target tonight?  Why wouldn't scum make an attempt to hit the other mason?  Especially if the Odd qualifier to my claim is accurate and I don't have a shot tonight? 
 
Leaving me alive would only contribute to suspicions towards me and my claim.  i.e. saying I am most likely the NK target tonight doesn't make much sense.
 
I like Eek's questioning of Wake on page 45.
 
Post 1123 makes no sense to me as would appear to be the case with a few other players as well.
 
Post 1157 feels like rolefishing and setting the groundwork for a run at me D3 all bundled into one.
 
@TvK wrt Post 1174...I have suspicions towarsd you and Kid but I would be surprised if the two of you were scum together.
 
Post 1191 is just a big kluge of indecisive nothing.  Thanks Wake.
 
@SG wrt Post 1202...

what changed you opinion towards Wake

and why would you be willing to vote me?
 
Revised reads:
Suspect - "Kid OR TvK" and Wake (though SG makes some good points)
Lean Suspect - penguin
Null - Garmr and ICE
Lean Town - Regfan and fferllt 
Town - Eek and SG and "Kid OR TvK"
 
VOTE: Kid A

[penguin_alien]

@penguin_alien wrt Post 1091...does town like when they feel they are being meta'ed inaccurately? And what does me being a Vig have to do with my suspicions towards Herself. If anything...the knowledge I could do something about Herself probably contributed to me looking at other players as well (that and the fact Herself wasn't getting a lot of support).  And what does me being a Vig have to do with my suspicions towards Herself.  If anything...the knowledge I could do something about Herself probably contributed to me looking at other players as well (that and the fact Herself wasn't getting a lot of support).

No, town doesn't like being meta'd inaccurately, but you were so concerned with whether an

equal

number of town games had been read and whether they were replacement or fresh start games that it was like you were lining up all these hoops people had to jump through before they could dare to use meta analysis for you. Asking if someone had contrasted your play with a town game, sure. Looking for absolutely equal numbers and specific conditions, not so much.

[Wake1]

Penguin, what's your gut feeling on Fitz's last post?

[penguin_alien]

He went through a lot and gave a lot of feedback that he didn't have to as scum. Not sure why he thinks it's incompatible for someone to be suspicious of him and not voting him at this stage when there are plenty of scummy people and he is technically an un-CC'd PR. Slightly less scum than when I first read the game; not likely to vote him today; still seem to recall that in Open 505 at least he didn't vig someone who was generally being townread. Yes, he helped push a mislynch, so maybe I am being too hard on him here, IDK.

[Wake1]

He went through a lot and gave a lot of feedback that he didn't have to as scum. Not sure why he thinks it's incompatible for someone to be suspicious of him and not voting him at this stage when there are plenty of scummy people and he is technically an un-CC'd PR. Slightly less scum than when I first read the game; not likely to vote him today; still seem to recall that in Open 505 at least he didn't vig someone who was generally being townread. Yes, he helped push a mislynch, so maybe I am being too hard on him here, IDK.

I see.

Why's he still alive?

[penguin_alien]

Too early to know.

[Wake1]

Too early to know.

Do you have any thoughts on the setup?

[Wake1]

Fitz, why exactly have the winds changed?

[penguin_alien]

Well, right now if HF is telling the truth, scum knows town has a partial vig and masons. While we know nothing about their power. So I'm not inclined to do anything to give them more info.

[Wake1]

Well, right now if HF is telling the truth, scum knows town has a partial vig and masons. While we know nothing about their power. So I'm not inclined to do anything to give them more info.

You've captivated me. Would you mind going into more detail on those exact sentiments, please?

Do you reckon, if there were a Cop/Doc/JK/Roleblocker, that they'd do something in response to Fitz's claim/action?

[Wake1]

Also, PA, I've been looking over your player history. What differences do you think I might find in your Scum and Town gameplay?

[havingfitz]

Fitz, why exactly have the winds changed?

You haven't captivated me. WTF are you talking about? My suspicions?

Do you plan on addressing anything I have asked or directed your way?

[Wake1]

best scum game ever

Why are you providing additional information when you weren't asked for it? Unlike your post, my (1227) and (1229) were directly related to the fiasco that's soaked up much of my time. Your informational post, however, just came out of nowhere. Why?