That's a breadcrumb? What's the point of a breadcrumb like that?
I don't understand this at all. A bomb is incredibly powerful, and you were in no immediate danger of a lynch; why would you claim that? Even if you were in danger, why would you crumb and claim bomb rather than something that would draw the nightkill?
A Youkai finds even more posts to count votes from.
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Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:16 pm
by GoodCop_BadCop
Spoiler: A Quote Wall Reply of #1108 for the Wall-Weary
In post 1108, Varsoon wrote:
Your degree of misrepresentation in these posts alone is staggering.
Ok Varsoon, lets get to this. Line by line, which point have I made that has misrepresented anything you have said?
In post 1108, Varsoon wrote:
1: You're twisting my gambit of seeming uninterested and catching you into something to scumpaint me. You're trying to deny me agency, which is to assume that I couldn't possibly be doing what I said I was doing. This is a scum tactic. You're attempting to disarm and devalue my arguments and approach. You're also going on as if I'm lying and making a push at disenfranchising my voice.
I think your gambit is scummy. I don't need to twist it into anything, it just is. How exactly am I trying to deny you of anything? Since when do you have to listen to me anyway?
I don't get why you don't understand scum-play? Its full of falsities, so yes if you are scum, you will make up things to A) make you look town, and B) to help you get out of a lynch.
In post 1108, Varsoon wrote:
2: You've completely disregarded the post where I posit that the only way to be truly confirmed to the rest of the game's players is via the moderator. Of course, that post wouldn't be very helpful since it blows a hole in your entire misrepresentation of the facts of our exchange.
I haven't disregarded anything. I completely understand what you said. But
you
have completely disregarded that I never said I was confirmed AND you said specifically that you confirmed yourself (which goes against your post about the only way to being truly confirmed is via mod).
In post 1108, Varsoon wrote:
You're trying to doctor yourself up as a 'winner', and me as an illogical, lying, scummy loser. The truth is that you're (very obviously) lying about our interaction in order to simultaneously devalue me as a player and push a wagon on me.
Lying about our interaction? THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE AND READ. Why would I need to lie about our interaction? And instead of accusing me of lying about something hows about you put up quotes together that show the lie.
In post 1108, Varsoon wrote:
You've committed the fallacy of presenting a strawman. This comes in the form of you re-writing our dialogue to make me seem like a bumbling, backpedaling moron and painting yourself as a calm voice of reason and cogency. In short, fuck you. I really want to replace out of this game, and have done so when people've been this way before, but I'm going to stay in it. I won't rest until you're dead--and not because you're an asshole, but because you're scum.
Ahh that. I suppose I could have been more tactful, but that's pretty much how it all went down in my head.
Could everyone who is not on my wagon or GCBC's wagon please shift to voting for one of us?
I want him dead or I want to die. Either way, one of us should not come out of this alive.
This is very town of you.
tl;dr - Varsoon needs to itemize all points that I have mis-represented, and lied about in bullet points with evidence. And lay off the AtE a bit.
Oh and Varsoon, your claim doesn't confirm you as town, like at all. In fact its quite comical that you were going to use your redirect to bounce a kill onto us in a large game where your chances of finding scum, least of all the scum making the kill would be extremely low. That is, unless you were scum with insider information.
~GC
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:18 pm
by GoodCop_BadCop
In post 1119, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
Varsoon's town however is reflected in his back to back posting liking and calling the case on himself dumb.
Hey Jaquen, when did this back to back posting liking and calling the case on himself dumb come about? Why would someone go to such AtE on a dumb case if it actually was dumb and had no merit? (This is without a significant backing of votes even).
~GC
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:24 pm
by GoodCop_BadCop
In post 1158, pieguyn wrote:what the fuck? did you srsly think he was serious when "confirming" himself as town?
Whether or not he was completely joking/semi-joking/semi-serious/serious is par for the course. It doesn't change the fact that if he were town, he could see where I was coming from when I said what I said instead he makes a post that paints the only option being for me to be scum. I would expect a town reply to be something along the lines of his back-pedaling post where he says I can't make an argument that I am town because no one else knows I am town (which I disagree with, but that's just me) not a post saying I am scum for doing so.
I apologize that I can't help you understand. I really do. Maybe we can start here then... how about you convince me why you think Varsoon is town?
~GC
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:29 pm
by bubbajack8
In post 1211, Lush Life wrote:
part of what is confusing is I have been given the role of "bomb" when really it was supersaint or a suicidal day vig. <----so there is that. but site meta argues against it even tho bubba has come from a different site
? My role PM specifically says 1 shot bomb. Are you saying you were given bomb? I'm confused.
Me and Yeong / Gif come from the same site.... sooo. (:
they look like something you have pulled out of your butt
They are crumbs. I gave commentary to how and why they were they way, they were done purposefully, and specifically so scum would catch on. Katarina's comment and vote gave me the idea that scum DID catch it.
That's a breadcrumb? What's the point of a breadcrumb like that?
I don't understand this at all. A bomb is incredibly powerful, and you were in no immediate danger of a lynch; why would you claim that? Even if you were in danger, why would you crumb and claim bomb rather than something that would draw the nightkill?
Interesting point.
1. So scum would catch on, I was worried it would be too obvious with a
But I'm not
On the contrary
My vote
Bubba is not scum
approach, so I did it backwards. I made the words important, and interchangeable.
I wasn't in immediate danger no, this is true.
Why didn't I claim something else; Well I didn't crumb something else for one. I didn't think about it until it was too late. I have no information for a fake claim. I have no clue what I would claim etc.
Why didn't you just try to be the nightkill? I tried. Lush is stubborn as fuck and wouldn't get off. That made me lynchbait, lynchbait doesn't die at night. So I became fucked.
I really can't wait for Varsoon to come in here.
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:37 pm
by Kagami
What's the difference between a bomb and a 1-shot bomb?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:44 pm
by Kagami
Anyway, this claim is obviously fake. You say your role pm is "1-shot Bomb," but there's no interpretation of the role bomb that can be anything more than one shot. So are you fakeclaiming town or really bad scum?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:46 pm
by SXTLHGaiden
"Bomb" may refer to a passive ability. Whereas, "1-shot bomb" may be an active?
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:47 pm
by Kagami
all "bomb"s involve you dying. There's no way yukari would add "one-shot" to it.
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:47 pm
by GoodCop_BadCop
Gaiden, imagine I'm channeling ffery's ghost when I tell you to stay the fuck out of the way of other people's lines of investigation.
~BC
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:48 pm
by SXTLHGaiden
yes sir.
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:58 pm
by bubbajack8
In post 1234, Kagami wrote:What's the difference between a bomb and a 1-shot bomb?
I choose when to arm myself.
In post 1237, Kagami wrote:all "bomb"s involve you dying. There's no way yukari would add "one-shot" to it.
She did. Suck it. I arm myself.
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:04 pm
by GoodCop_BadCop
Bubba, let me state this in no uncertain terms. Do not answer any further questions about the length or duration of your arming, nor the exact mechanics for how you go boom. TIA.
~BC
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:09 pm
by GoodCop_BadCop
As far as I'm concerned, this is the equivalent of a PGO claim, and we're treating it as such. If he lives that long, lynch the day before expected LYLO.
~BC
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:14 pm
by GoodCop_BadCop
Reads, and not in any specific order within each sub category
Spoiler: Here be Dragons
Town and not touching for a looong while:
7.Lush Life (borkjerfkin + pirate mollie + majiffy) [H] <-- if the shit that went down here was faked I'm nomming all three of you for best mafia play until they give it to you for the rest of my mafia career.
18.Jaqen Hghar - He's gonna spend the entire game tunneling me but whatever, IC
13.bubbajack8 - The method of that claim was town as fuck, and since he's essentially a claimed PGO, there's a proven method for dealing with him regardless
3.Kazekirimaru - My kneecaps remember the day I thought this guy was scum with a burning pain. He's playing like a guy mini version of town ffery. The instant townread meta case on gaiden reminds me of a certain Deacon Blues post....
10.Mac - watching you guys get #rekt by mac-scum in Tales of the Abyss was fun, but this isn't it
17.zMuffinMan - Prohawk's read, he's keeping his reasons reserved
15.dramonic - Dram feels attached to the game in a way that's very natural, and isn't afraid to call out bullshit when he sees it. Also the big red X won ffery's heart.
Town, but less town:
1.SXTLHGaiden - It's like fuzzy from 1525 but more logic and less posts. Needs to engage into the game more though.
4.Amaranth [H] - I like the content from here, I could see this hitting primetime town if they keep it up
11.The Chamber of Kittens Remembrance [H] - Went this was Rem, this was the townread of ffery's I was vetoing. I'm pretty okay at reading mala, mara's given me some tricks, and their entry so far into the game has been good. Chamber I fully admit to indifference on, but eh.
19.Katarina LaBlanc - I mean some of the things she's said have been pretty... uh... dumb? But she's got that nice lean town feel to her, her play is reminiscent of the Rach Micro.
DMZ (True Null)
20. ActionDan - Dan's been a real non-presence but I see that more as an effect of the game state than his alignment. His time seems to be limited sitewide, so I'm pretty sure he's not actively avoiding the thread
21.Kise - I must admit I disliked some of his earlier posts and movements, but once I got out of "the moment" I realized there's nothing specifically wrong with them. Some of his stances make sense from either alignment, and I'm not really sure I can sort him yet.
8.YuniChikako - You've been a real non presence and I know you're claiming to have stuff going IRL so I look forward to this weekend or when you devote some time to this game so I can sort you.
9.Tsukasa - I really liked your entry into the game and your posts in the first half of this game day so far. I've been pretty null on the second half. Hawkie's not ready to townbin you, so this is the compromise spot.
2.Kagami - Hawkie likes you for scum. I'm not as convinced that this isn't just you not getting a great start to the game. I really want you to be obvtown as fuck like you were in the newbie game and in that micro, townblock could really use you. 1234/1235 was a pretty good start hence this location.
Null with a touch of red in the corner
14.Messiah Complex (Desperado + FormerFish) [H] - Even though their second part of their catchup psot ended with them hating us msot of their other reads align with me. I'll address their "omg fake rage" thing later but the lack of transparency angle re: ffery's reads is something I expected people pushing us to comment upon, instead of a slip that wasnt a slip repeated over and over. I will probably end up sheeping mollie's read here because I still don't feel great on them.
Shit's flipping mafia (credits to cephrir, NY 167)
5.pieguyn - Runs away from the thread, waits for shit to shake out, shit shakes out, comes back and.... does detached ISO reads of waffle-ific indifference
12.Varsoon - I'm not sure why varsoon keeps going on and on about how claiming confirms him being that he's done that exact same shit as scum vanilla cop; but I will admit the early claim is something I would expect scumsoon to hang on to a tad bit longer. That's the only thing keeping me awake at night. (Well that and the gastic reflux but hey) Claiming Slayer's gambit is also pretty shitty as a response to a wagon forming on him.
16.UFO - You're brand new to the site and draw scum in a huge 21 player game. What do you do when a loud player gives you towncred super early? You ride that shit as long as you can without posting so you don't fuck it up. I ought to start calling this the Camoclone effect.
~BC
~GC
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:30 pm
by The Chamber of Kittens
In post 1242, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:As far as I'm concerned, this is the equivalent of a PGO claim, and we're treating it as such. If he lives that long, lynch the day before expected LYLO.
~BC
I'm still not caught up and etc, but, why is that the default behavior for a PGO claim exactly? If you expect to have to lynch them anyway, why not lynch them earlier so that you are working with more knowledge on future lynches?
The 1-shot bomb thing meant what I thought it would mean. A nice touch if its a faked claim.
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:35 pm
by Kagami
I don't think it's fake =\
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:36 pm
by Jaqen Hghar
In post 1242, GoodCop_BadCop wrote:As far as I'm concerned, this is the equivalent of a PGO claim, and we're treating it as such. If he lives that long, lynch the day before expected LYLO.
~BC
A man thinks the day before that would be better, since 2 dead at that point would just end the game.
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:37 pm
by Kagami
Fake-claiming something else would have been so much better though... or even nothing at all
The only skepticism I have for the claim is that it's an incredibly swingy role. It's very easy to imagine that he could have set up a strong fake-claim that would draw the nightkill, and the setup reviewers would have to have been wary about it.
