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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:06 am
by GuyInFreezer
Actually if I read the mechanic correctly all we have to do is consolidate on one name who wants to be dead by hordes.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:07 am
by Thor665
I think vezok is an obvious NK list candidate.
If it was up to me alone the list would be him or Action Dan.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:11 am
by AngryPidgeon
Mastina will not be dying tonight.
My list will probably be sekai, dgb, and dunno. Someone generally being scum read.
Fake edit: oh Dan might be solid.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:14 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1222, Thor665 wrote: In post 1217, Svenskt Stål wrote: In post 1212, Thor665 wrote:@Sven - a bit of play advice. Stop acting like it's bad that people find you scummy. Your play is markedly anti-town and has been throughout - there's a reason more people aren't reading you as town and it's not because they're all bad players.
get over yourself, you are not half as good as people make you out to be, so dont think you are in a position to give advice.
I don't think whether or not people think I am good has a bearing, frankly, I could be bad at the game and still capable of offering good advice. I do think I am offering you good advice.
In post 1217, Svenskt Stål wrote:and me being anti town is Smurfing lol, my entire wagon is people lurking or being butt hurt (voting with feelings)
try to stop lurking, or do you find posting as scum hard? couse its not really pro town
Smurf off
Yes, i agree with you that people are voting you based off their reactions to your attitude, playstyle, and other factors that don't have to do with you being town or scum.
But I don't think that it is healthy for you to presume that's because all of them are bad players and you're a perfectly fine player.
My submission is that the blame can be equally spread on both sides, and I'm hoping you are aware enough as a player to assess whether what you do is helpful or hurtful to the town wincon and to adjust your play accordingly. If not...then not, and it is within your right to decide I'm crazy. The evidence appears supportive of my conclusion however. If it offends you so much you need to drop f-bombs I'll make this my last post about it, but if you'd like to discuss game theory after the game I think I could help your play move towards at least my perception of 'pro-town'.
f bombs slips easily from my mouth, not an excuse but its not personal. appologies.
i just take offense that i get treated specially because i dont do smileys or sugar stuff up. i think i do put in work, i am sure i could do more and better work, but if the idea is taht i am to become more likeable to be easier to town read, then i am not your guy.
i also feel like you have been away for some time and coming in here telling active people what to do is pretty high horseish.
also this discussion is abit beside the mark so close to lynch
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:14 am
by GuyInFreezer
I also said something about quality. Where's the explanation for that?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:15 am
by Svenskt Stål
am i the only one town reading ffer?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:16 am
by GuyInFreezer
*raises hand*
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:17 am
by GuyInFreezer
Actually lemme do the same thing I did with the Alp with sekai. brb.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:18 am
by AngryPidgeon
Alpaca, claim in your next post.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:19 am
by Thor665
@AP - Dan is good. DGB would be brilliant but there isn't support for it. The Sekai one is bad too methinks. It's certainly a contentious one, which makes it a difficult agreement.
Why do you oppose the Vezo one so much? I can't read him particularly, and even if he is town it's not like he's been a whirlwind of reads and he *is* a massive distraction to at least some town players. I think it would benefit to have him dead and flipped.
@Sven - being likable is nothing about being pro-town. There is a long list of players (probably a few in this game) who are not exactly revered far and wide for being likable but still don't have wagons run on them for that alone. Whether or not I have been posting as much as you'd like has nothing to do with my ability to spot the issues people are having with your playstyle - you have been posting lot and also seem to be aware of them, so we seem to be in accordance there.
Would both of you support an Action Dan being eaten plan?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:23 am
by AngryPidgeon
In post 1234, Thor665 wrote:Why do you oppose the Vezo one so much? I can't read him particularly, and even if he is town it's not like he's been a whirlwind of reads and he *is* a massive distraction to at least some town players. I think it would benefit to have him dead and flipped.
Paranoia? I keep wanting to scumread him (and have mentioned why) but for whatever reason I keep getting cold feet about him. I'm having a hard time seeing Vezok on a team with other people I find scummy (namely DGB).
You are right though, I'm probably wasting my time by submitting on DGB. Realistically, there aren't that many people outside of mastin, Vezok, Majiffy, Sven that are likely to die to this (assuming alpaca is lynched).
Of those 4, I'd feel ok with Majiffy or Vezok more than the other 2.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:26 am
by GuyInFreezer
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:26 am
by Thor665
In post 1235, AngryPidgeon wrote:Paranoia? I keep wanting to scumread him (and have mentioned why) but for whatever reason I keep getting cold feet about him. I'm having a hard time seeing Vezok on a team with other people I find scummy (namely DGB).
That's the opposite of paranoia - you're allowing some of your read to color others when they should be able to be considered independently.
In post 1235, AngryPidgeon wrote:Realistically, there aren't that many people outside of mastin, Vezok, Majiffy, Sven that are likely to die to this (assuming alpaca is lynched).
Of those 4, I'd feel ok with Majiffy or Vezok more than the other 2.
I'd like to get a consensus for a Vezok/Action Dan personally. Majiffy isn't bad but he at least looked a little fighty in a few posts earlier and passed by letting you take a comment I had said as a slip, both of which tinge on the townish side with me. I don't think I'd oppose it if people really clamored for it, but I'd prefer Action Dan on the block of the two.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:27 am
by GuyInFreezer
I can't drop the bad habit of using spoiler tag and quote end tag together
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:28 am
by PeregrineV
In post 1217, Svenskt Stål wrote: In post 1212, Thor665 wrote:@Sven - a bit of play advice. Stop acting like it's bad that people find you scummy. Your play is markedly anti-town and has been throughout - there's a reason more people aren't reading you as town and it's not because they're all bad players.
get over yourself, you are not half as good as people make you out to be, so dont think you are in a position to give advice.
and me being anti town is fucking lol, my entire wagon is people lurking or being butt hurt (voting with feelings)
try to stop lurking, or do you find posting as scum hard? couse its not really pro town
fuck off
But he has a point.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5717929
What is your opinion of Alpazard? His wagon? How has that changed with all of the recent activity?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:28 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1234, Thor665 wrote:@AP - Dan is good. DGB would be brilliant but there isn't support for it. The Sekai one is bad too methinks. It's certainly a contentious one, which makes it a difficult agreement.
Why do you oppose the Vezo one so much? I can't read him particularly, and even if he is town it's not like he's been a whirlwind of reads and he *is* a massive distraction to at least some town players. I think it would benefit to have him dead and flipped.
@Sven - being likable is nothing about being pro-town. There is a long list of players (probably a few in this game) who are not exactly revered far and wide for being likable but still don't have wagons run on them for that alone.
Whether or not I have been posting as much as you'd like has nothing to do with my ability to spot the issues people are having with your playstyle - you have been posting lot and also seem to be aware of them, so we seem to be in accordance there.
Would both of you support an Action Dan being eaten plan?
what are they?
bulba is pissed that i didnt answer his questions, which he asked just to be annoying or "get even"
alp is moving, peregrinev HAS moved
what seperates AD from the other lurkers to you?
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:32 am
by PeregrineV
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:34 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1239, PeregrineV wrote: In post 1217, Svenskt Stål wrote: In post 1212, Thor665 wrote:@Sven - a bit of play advice. Stop acting like it's bad that people find you scummy. Your play is markedly anti-town and has been throughout - there's a reason more people aren't reading you as town and it's not because they're all bad players.
get over yourself, you are not half as good as people make you out to be, so dont think you are in a position to give advice.
and me being anti town is fucking lol, my entire wagon is people lurking or being butt hurt (voting with feelings)
try to stop lurking, or do you find posting as scum hard? couse its not really pro town
fuck off
But he has a point.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5717929
What is your opinion of Alpazard? His wagon? How has that changed with all of the recent activity?
still leaning town, for the same reasons as before, that the inactivity, while being lead wagon, points to town not caring rather than scum
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:36 am
by GuyInFreezer
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:39 am
by GuyInFreezer
There you go AP. 6 townreads, 6 scumreads, rest no reads.
Pretty spreaded out general read.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:40 am
by GuyInFreezer
In post 1242, Svenskt Stål wrote:still leaning town, for the same reasons as before, that the inactivity, while being lead wagon, points to town not caring rather than scum
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:42 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 1244, GuyInFreezer wrote:There you go AP. 6 townreads, 6 scumreads, rest no reads.
Pretty spreaded out general read.
the "sekai is scum" is way louder than the "sekai is town"
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:44 am
by GuyInFreezer
That's why AP initially thought Sekai lynch could be compromised easily.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:44 am
by GuyInFreezer
But when it comes to compromise lynch, it's the votes that counts not voices.
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:47 am
by Aegor
Mine is scummish. I actually would have no problem eating that hydra or whatever it is we do at night.