Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

[Bert]

meant formerfish, not messiah complex

[Ursaring]

Oak's Notes

Caterpie

The Worm Pokémon

Bug

Pokédex Information

Its short feet are tipped with suction pads that enable it to tirelessly climb slopes and walls.

Vote Count 3.03

Flames682(0):

Bert(0):

vettrock(0):

Seohyun(1):

Flames682

Boonskiies(0):

pieguyn(0):

Formerfish(0):

TierShift(0):

Not Voting(6):

Bert, vettrock, Seohyun, Boonskiies, pieguyn, Tiershift

With eight alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline:

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2015-03-12 13:20:00).

[Seohyun]

eh not_mafia's iso looks town to me but I don't have much experience/don't remember what he plays like

hey what did you see in not_mafia's iso that looked town exactly?

his play looked similar to another instance I played with him in which he was town and was regarded as scum there

ok what happened
1. I had my actual ability, asked for clarification of ability a little later
2. I used it N1 on bbt
3. dead mod/thread etc etc
4. I forgot what ability I have
5. look at clarification of what ability does
6. look at thread with nm's psychic
7. oh that's what I have too

[Seohyun]

I panicked a tad yesterday so I might not have made sense so here^

[Seohyun]

^expanding further on not_mafia, it felt town regarding how I remembered him but I wasn't sure cus I think he got lynched fast so I didn't quite remember and wanted someone with more experience with him to say something about it

[Bert]

VOTE: flames

[Bert]

Wait what does hypnosis do?

[Seohyun]

the short explanation is that it makes the target's night action switch to someone else

[TierShift]

Yeah, I fully agree with bert regarding the amount of scum on the wagon. I do think me and bert and perhaps wisdom get somewhat cleared off of it.

Yeah, no.

Yeah no because I didn't push that f-ing scum wagon noooo you did soo much

[Formerfish]

I'm sorry, I'm just saying that at this point I'm not willing to soft clear people based off one scum lynch. And why the fuck would Wisdom be cleared?

[Flames682]

Bert I don't understand your point about me having mild language and how that makes me scum somehow.

[Formerfish]

Ok, so if most people are (sorta) town reading Seo, who is scum? Bert has weakly pushed Flames and no one seems to give a shit. No one else has even floated an idea of who else could be scum. I know its the weekend and this game will slow down, but some discussion would be great.

[Bert]

I don't have this figured out, hence a weak vote. And possible 2v6 is icky anyways where it takes 5 out of 7 votes to lynch

I can't tell if Seo actually 'forgot' his role.

[Bert]

eh not_mafia's iso looks town to me but I don't have much experience/don't remember what he plays like

hey what did you see in not_mafia's iso that looked town exactly?

his play looked similar to another instance I played with him in which he was town and was regarded as scum there

ok what happened
1. I had my actual ability, asked for clarification of ability a little later
2. I used it N1 on bbt
3. dead mod/thread etc etc
4. I forgot what ability I have
5. look at clarification of what ability does
6. look at thread with nm's psychic
7. oh that's what I have too

the short explanation is that it makes the target's night action switch to someone else

Wait what? That still doesn't explain how you would think Not Mafia's description of Psychic would match yours...

[Formerfish]

I don't have this figured out, hence a weak vote. And possible 2v6 is icky anyways where it takes 5 out of 7 votes to lynch

I can't tell if Seo actually 'forgot' his role.

Don't forget that with my vote being gone we need all the remaining town on a good lynch, barring bussing.

[Bert]

1. Nope, was told nothing. Unless it's something like "people with psychic can't target each other", I don't know what else it would be.
2. I targeted BBT with my psychic ability and I assume that's what Flames wanted to know. Or are you asking what my ability actually does?
3. Not really out of the question, just was surprised considering MS's is more of a handicapper, whereas this ability just seems to be removing other people's votes. Unless they were also handicapped in some way, which might be a possibility considering it seems like it wasn't used night 1 (Like can only use it twice or something).

re: town action or scum action
Not sure right now

lol, then I guess it's a different psychic.

I missed this on my phone earlier
So ms handicapped former fish? Urgh

[Bert]

Okay just looked at sonic and eggs flips

Sonic could choose to use his shell twice. So he could stump himself.

Since he hasn't posfed in game in twilight, I assume he didn't treestump.

Egg evidently commutes N1 and then shot metal N2.

[Bert]

Bert I don't understand your point about me having mild language and how that makes me scum somehow.

I've seen you lynchbaiting as town in past games, it's such a change that you're not under any level of duress so far all game
I don't really get you this game, you've flown under the radar
you said you were going to ISO and never did

[TierShift]

I'm sorry, I'm just saying that at this point I'm not willing to soft clear people based off one scum lynch. And why the fuck would Wisdom be cleared?

I'm not clearing them based on wagon presence, it's based on interactions.

[Formerfish]

Tier, because I just finished a game where I was scum with Boon and Pie, I set them both up as a traitor to fuck with associative tells. Pie was "conftown" in that game based off of what I did with him. So, sorry not sorry that I am not going to take him claiming to be conftown here based off of yesterday.

Already talked about being weary of associative tells. Give me something more concrete or expect me to doubt it.

[TierShift]

Associative tells are the best tells. You just gotta be able to discern who's scum and who's town off of it.

[Formerfish]

Good scum players know how to manipulate associatives.

[vettrock]

Associative tells are the best tells. You just gotta be able to discern who's scum and who's town off of it.

I agree with this. The only thing the separates scum from town in many cases, is that the scum know who is town and scum. Because of this scum steer their cases/votes differently than town. Making a mistake is something both town and scum can do unless it is a mistake based on knowledge that only scum would have.

I agree that no one should be cleared completely, but I can see the case why those who pushed Not_Mafia to the lynch should at least be given some towncred. That is why scum bus, for the towncred. There is also a good chance that both scum were not pushing the lynch, which means we have a good chance of finding the other one, putting us in a 1v5 situation the next day which has pretty good odds for town.

[Boonskiies]

prodge

[TierShift]

Good scum players know how to manipulate associatives.

Manipulate != invalidate. You shouldn't take any associative tell for granted, but some are just not fakeable by scum.