Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[brassherald]

If I needed to vote right now, I'd actually probably go MariaR with absolutely no confidence.

[Wisdom]

Okay, like, do you have some points against me or math or maria we can discuss?
Like, I think it might be math because of x
But it could be wisdom because of y

[brassherald]

Mathdino could be scum because he lead the Thor wagon, and I realized yesterday his posts about what the mafia would have picked if he was there, doesn't matter at all if he's the traitor. That's his full setup spec. Plus, killing the IC is irrelevant now, because we don't know that the last scum was recruited or not. It would very easily be that the last scum is a traitor, and therefore, up until last night's kill, it doesn't matter who the NKs were. His arguments about Night Kills all account for if he's not a traitor, but I'm not willing to look at the NKs before we were down to just the possible traitor because we have no clue if the traitor was involved with a Night Kill outside of when JJD was killed last night. Though, he does make a good point about 347, it cuts his way, too.

Wisdom points coming next.

[brassherald]

For Wisdom, this is full paranoia, the posts seem too guarded. Like, intentionally trying not to give out information. I also find it very strange that there are posts asking for analysis without really providing much himself. Plus the tinfoil from my reads being right on Beefster and the worst and remarks that my scum hunting is bad, but that could just be because my methods are not very well accepted in mafia, even if they were effective this game.

[brassherald]

I will concede that, there is a 50/50 chance that the NK analysis for the earlier nights does matter.

With 4 PRs, the scum took 2 different buffs. Bulletproof and JOAT is out, rolecop in.

So, we either have a recruited traitor or daytalk. I would personally say recruit the traitor because daytalk is pretty "meh", imo, but I'm not going to be projecting my throughts on optimal play to Beefster and the worst, assuming that neither of them was originally a traitor.

[Wisdom]

For Wisdom, this is full paranoia, the posts seem too guarded. Like, intentionally trying not to give out information. I also find it very strange that there are posts asking for analysis without really providing much himself. Plus the tinfoil from my reads being right on Beefster and the worst and remarks that my scum hunting is bad, but that could just be because my methods are not very well accepted in mafia, even if they were effective this game.

This is just a playstyle issue; thats how i play in all games regardless of alignment
As for when i told you your scumhunting was shallow, it was because i felt you were reaching conclusions too easily without going deep into motivations and not because of specific reads

[Wisdom]

Specifically you were saying that the worst is scum because of not explaining his reads
which i felt was really shallow as i also rarely explain my reads

[brassherald]

I get that, but the lack of information being shared is just why I've had such a hard time sorting you.

And, yeah, I think I'll go back to the old baseball adage, it's better to be lucky than good sometimes with my reads, which I feel like is what happened to me this game.

The main thing right now, and I mean no offense, but with your playstyle Wisdom, I kind of wish we had lynched you before MYLO because I just feel more confident in sorting the other people in the game.

[Wisdom]

now about math i dont really mind the thor push because i also strongly felt thor was scum
But i dont really see him pushing the worst like he did, he had no reason to bring him up when ugly was so easy to lynch

[brassherald]

I guess so. I think I forgot about that because I was kind of laser focused on the worst that day

[Mathdino]

Brass. TW knew I was town.

[brassherald]

Brass. TW knew I was town.

Huh?

[Mathdino]

TW recruited his traitor. Or at least if he didn't he thought he knew who the traitor was. He knew I was town yesterday.

[MariaR]

The only thing I see for math town is "oh he didn't need to bus his partner." The main issue I had with this was "Oh I bus all the time so I see no reason why you wouldn't" but I should stop applying my scum meta to everyone. I guess the benefit is the massive towncred he gets from voting the worst but would he really do that without knowing who the 4th pr is? You know I don't know if scum math kills nac here either after how hard she was tring him: thinking,: although math did call her obv vig I believe when I had no idea what he was talking about.
I'll do another re read but my confidence isn't as high as it was before the main point I was using for scum math was it felt like a serious setup with how he was playing the game Day 2 onward but I don't know if Math just lets an unknown pr go unless you're a traitor who doesn't know prs but idk how that mech works.

[Wisdom]

Its not "the only thing"
Math has been pretty town the whole game

[MariaR]

hard disagree

[brassherald]

hard disagree

Can you provide some quotes that you think are scummy?

[MariaR]

>going through 356 posts nghhhhhhhhhhh I already said why I think he's scummmyyyyy if you want quotes it'll be tomorrow cause lol busy today

[brassherald]

>going through 356 posts nghhhhhhhhhhh I already said why I think he's scummmyyyyy if you want quotes it'll be tomorrow cause lol busy today

No need to rush. I do feel like it'd be helpful, though. We must have like a week left on our day length

[Mathdino]

i wish other people were as aware of the out-of-game shit as i am

like i know i'm conftown but i'm the only one that's aware of what makes me conftown lol

i also still trust JJD's read on wisdom more than i trust espeonage's completely unexplained "maria is confscum" read on maria

i'll do research into espeonage's ability to read her. but thus far my experience with him has been

- calling me confscum and completely checking out of reckoner's game. being wrong. getting mislynched for it.
- calling thor confscum by meta repeatedly and mislynching him (and then blaming me for it). getting mislynched for it.

so both espeonage's and maria's reads have been confirmed to me to be subrandom

wisdom on the other hand i expected better of i think.

currently 65% wisdom and 34% maria. 1% brassherald. not enough to no lynch, sorry.

[MariaR]

I actually just went 3/3 in a game where I was sk but srsly scum hunting

[Wisdom]

i don't trust esp's reads either, he prob was lucky with maria here

[Wisdom]

we're still nolynching math, its the best even if its almost certain who the kill is

[Mathdino]

wisdom please back that up with how it benefits this specific fucking game rather than hitting me with generalised sentiments of what good play is

[Wisdom]

regardless of our opinions theres a non zero chance anyone could be scum and thus the kill is information