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if you felt so strongly about this you had ample opportunity to speak up. :>In post 1219, Tazaro wrote:Edosurist is enough proof that it embroiled the wrong people. And NO I did not double vote as a way to be consistent at defending myself from Edosurist and myself from future criticism. I am not a foreseer of the future. Edosurist's lynch was a left turn to me, and I think my posting day one made that clear.
For the record, I think Tazaro is town. Why? Because I just don't feel like scum would be so out here. (Like, unless someone has reason to suspect otherwise based on Tazaro's playstyle in other games, that's my stance.)In post 1214, mutantdevle wrote:Asshole.In post 1209, Tazaro wrote:Two things are--> I postal voted for Fighting Dreamers. Then I election day voted for Fighting Dreamers.In post 1173, Tazaro wrote:I hereby have two things to proceed to pucker up into a monumental megaphone and claim to the clammy, sweaty seated awaiting audience ...
Engage.
@Hebichan and @Tazaro, I'd like to take this moment to say that Edosurist's death is entirely on the pair of you. If either of you had spoken up about your double votes yesterday then we would have known there was 2 double votes sooner and Edosurist wouldn't have had to die. We are now in a situation where your actions have caused us to misslynch a townie and each of you are now heavily due policy lynches that could probably be spent better elsewhere. As a town, we agreed almost unanimously that double voting was a scum claim yet both of you had to be anti-town and go through with it anyway. Instead of speaking up, you were both cowards and let someone else eat the lynch that each of you deserved. You should have taken responsibility for your actions and spoken up sooner.
So shame on both of you for your actions.
Knowing you had double voted made Edosurist's claim so much more likely to be true. Hence you both knew we were lynching a townie. Tazaro, at the very least, was softly defending Edosurist. He made a few comments agreeing with the worst on how so much support for Edosurist was suspicious. Of course, if he really wanted to save Edosurist's life he would have claimed his double vote. Hebichan on the other hand, made no effort to oppose the Edosurist lynch. He just commented on the situation with no real input. If there's scum in these double voters then I'm convinced it's Hebichan. If we are going to lynch over this situation again then it should be Hebichan that goes. I don't think it's wise to spend 3 lynches here though. If we have a killing role then they should definitely take out Taz because he'd be dangerous to be kept for MyLo.
This whole fiasco is annoying. But at least we have the 2 (in my opinion) confirmed townies of the worst and Ausuka to balance this out.
I wanna say it was Not Known 15.In post 1217, Tazaro wrote:pre-ninja: I did not agree with the logic of double voting equals a problem and therefore Edosurist equals a convenient person who gets to be dumped into a lynch pool and then gets lynched because the mob (who I wasn't a part of) said to lynch him and kill scum, at best, or at the least find the dratted double voter. What a crummy plan. Someone in this thread said about double voting that "it's a scum claim." Who was it that dared write that, again?
Tbf, Tazaro kinda did by telling you NOT to go with the majority and all. Like, it wasn't exactly explicitly, but he was heavily implying that you should lynch elsewhere. Again, I don't necessarily fault you for the mislynch as we were all pressuring you to do it. (I did have issues with the way the presidency was ran, but I've already explained my thoughts there.)In post 1225, the worst wrote:if you felt so strongly about this you had ample opportunity to speak up. :>In post 1219, Tazaro wrote:Edosurist is enough proof that it embroiled the wrong people. And NO I did not double vote as a way to be consistent at defending myself from Edosurist and myself from future criticism. I am not a foreseer of the future. Edosurist's lynch was a left turn to me, and I think my posting day one made that clear.
Does this mean your candidacy is automatically withdrawn
The case against hebi has only been growing thoughIn post 1222, Tazaro wrote:We already killed Edosurist for this "big deal" about nothing at all. Aronis is right on this and so am I.
yeah I totally want the worst to die guys. That's exactly why he was one of the first two names on my not gonna kill today listIn post 1223, the worst wrote:just tinfoil for now but the timing does notttttttt look good.In post 1211, mutantdevle wrote:Are you saying Aronis is mafia and planned to kill you off so he could form his own party in the ashes?In post 1192, the worst wrote:starts with an A and rhymes with "blaronis".In post 1185, skitter30 wrote:???In post 1183, the worst wrote:.....and then who comes in with shade throwing and a new party?In post 1170, skitter30 wrote:it seems that given the current district placements, things become more chaotic if tw is dead; it turns several of the districts into tossups.
Because if you are, I'm going to have to strongly disagree.
You know what
If you think you are not responsible for Edosurist's death then you are dead wrong. At the very least, you're as much to blame as everyone who supported and if not then more so. It was the pair of your's actions that created the situation in the first place.In post 1215, Tazaro wrote:A couple of things. How many times was it said that the problem was if someone double voted at all?--It was said over and over again, and, so, it's kind of a waste of further breath to now insert that if there were actually MORE people who double voted then one of those people in particular (Edosurist, you say) would have been saved. All this stuff about double voting is bad, and it's a scum claim and stuff. And now turn it around and say if it WERE claimed it would have been Edosurist's salvation?
I did not mislynch a townie; you guys DID with your insistence that "oh no" someone double voted or did not vote or whatnot is a problem. No it's not. We don't all walk in lockstep. And the double voting thing was made such an issue and therefore Edosurist had to die was such a dumb move.
Oh, and don't even talk about "policy lynches" in the same breath of saying that an innocent townie was lynched. The policy lynch of me would kill an innocent townie. What is then the point of saying "policy lynch" anyway when the "policy lynch" of Edosurist happened? And the only ones who don't have responsibility for him dying is those who didn't support his lynch. Imagine that.
So what is it going to be--is there a soft insinuation that I deserve to die because I have the guilt of double voting? Wasn't that the very problem that was risen as a specter over Edosurist?|
And can we drop the lining up of lynches to find the double voter. At least we can end that now
In post 1217, Tazaro wrote:pre-ninja: I did not agree with the logic of double voting equals a problem and therefore Edosurist equals a convenient person who gets to be dumped into a lynch pool and then gets lynched because the mob (who I wasn't a part of) said to lynch him and kill scum, at best, or at the least find the dratted double voter. What a crummy plan. Someone in this thread said about double voting that "it's a scum claim." Who was it that dared write that, again?
It was agreed that double voting was a scum thing to do and we WOULD lynch people for it. You never expressed disagreement with it when it was discussed.In post 1218, Tazaro wrote:Oh, yes, it was this gem that I remembered. The minimum rule should be the rule that embroiled people like Edosurist and me?!???!In post 125, Not Known 15 wrote: However, I think we should, as minimum, impose the ruleElectoral fraud is a scum claim.
Allowing electoral fraud to take place is strictly anti-town.
In post 125, Not Known 15 wrote:However, I think we should, as minimum, impose the rule Electoral fraud is a scum claim.
In post 126, Ausuka wrote:I'm fine with the no electoral fraud rule.
In post 129, hebichan wrote:I agree with no electoral fraud.
In post 130, Invisibility wrote:town has no reason to postal vote in general
All 5 of these posts showed support for banning double votes.In post 132, Edosurist wrote:Postal voting is fine if you're V/LA, it's really the double voting that's an issue.
Admit that you double voted when we first called for people to admit double votes, maybe?In post 1226, Tazaro wrote:Speak up and say what? Besides all what I had said day one.
I agree. He's a scummy town but town nonetheless. That said, I'm still more okay with a vig on him than anyone else. His reaction to all this strikes me as town since, although he is making excuses, he is not trying to present his excuses as pro town like Hebichan did. I just wish he was saying all this stuff yesterday when it mattered more.In post 1231, 123456789 wrote:For the record, I think Tazaro is town. Why? Because I just don't feel like scum would be so out here. (Like, unless someone has reason to suspect otherwise based on Tazaro's playstyle in other games, that's my stance.)