NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:44 am

Quick phone post ...

If Dram turns out to be Town kill all three of Theworst / Inferno / Brass with Fire.

At least two would be scum looking to lynch an uncountered fairly powerful role on for sketch as heck reasons. Worst first since saying “lynch regardless of claim if scummy” which is 100% scum beneficial play. This is a Large game. It will go on for many days and not giving any thought to the potential damage to Town from mislynching a claimed role is at best terrible play. So fear mongering while saying it is role madness and likely many alternative means to assess Dram’s alignment exist is suspect.

Will have computer posted thoughts later.

ISO · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:48 am

yeah ok that's reasonable. I'm not a mechanics wizard.

MagnaofIllusion · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:49 am

In post 1226, the worst wrote:yeah ok that's reasonable. I'm not a mechanics wizard.

Says this.

Still keeps vote where it is.

You are scum aren’t you Duck?

Taly · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:50 am

In post 1225, MagnaofIllusion wrote:“lynch regardless of claim if scummy” which is 100% scum beneficial play. This is a Large game. It will go on for many days and not giving any thought to the potential damage to Town from mislynching a claimed role is at best terrible play

This explanation expands on my thinking about

Dram

in 1223 and now the

Hit

lynch even more so.

the worst wrote:yeah ok that's reasonable. I'm not a mechanics wizard.

I wouldn't say it's just mechanics... the gamestate has a huge influence as well.

If I had to be honest, I don't like the game narrative much.

ISO · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:51 am

I've literally coasted scumgames before off the back of a good PR claim. leaving scumfucks alive exclusively for their fakeclaims is the pro scum behaviour here dude and I will stand by that.

but yeah Taly is my personal reality check, lynching a claimed jailer d1 is not a good idea even if they are fairly scummy.

UNVOTE: as I seem to have failed to do this earlier

pedit: settle down

Inferno390 · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:06 am

In post 1229, the worst wrote:I've literally coasted scumgames before off the back of a good PR claim. leaving scumfucks alive exclusively for their fakeclaims is the pro scum behaviour here dude and I will stand by that.

but yeah Taly is my personal reality check, lynching a claimed jailer d1 is not a good idea even if they are fairly scummy.

UNVOTE: as I seem to have failed to do this earlier

pedit: settle down

And I have been on the brunt end of this before lol.
So yeah.
@MoI: And if HitAlt is Town...?
Your statement can be applied to any claimed PR lynch on D1, ever.
And besides, there’s about 0 chance the lynch is happening now anyways. So what’s with the shade?

brassherald · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:09 am

Okay, if dram is not happening because I was just listening to the worst's suggestion, the only viable option in my opinion is here.

VOTE: Flubber

Taly · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:51 am

Once again, I have a crumb of influence over part of the playerlist, and literally none over the rest.

And that's probably going to be used for AND against me very soon.

Taly · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:55 am

Fun times

HitAlt · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:55 am

What a way to coach your scumbuddies in the game thread - splendid!

Taly · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:57 am

I know right? How the fuck am I not lynched?

Taly · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:59 am

In post 1234, HitAlt wrote:What a way to coach your scumbuddies in the game thread - splendid!

Taly wrote:And that's probably going to be used for AND against me very soon.

Great example of this btw

<3

Taly · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:09 am

Anyway, I'm about to go take a math test, bye.

Better see some cases for lynches and/or vote changes.

HitAlt · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:09 am

In post 1222, Inferno390 wrote:@Hit:
Would you please fullclaim and link crumbs. Because that soft claim reads a whole lot like scum.

I will explicitly refuse to do this until I have seen what happens N1.
In the very unlikely scenario where I'm not killed or blocked, I will claim everything else but the not-normal "caveat" in my role tomorrow.
That one part of my role-PM is also the reason why I wanted to play a bit shady today, but we'll get back to that later.

Chickadee · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:40 am

In post 1201, the worst wrote:
In post 1194, Chickadee wrote:
In post 1193, the worst wrote:I'm yet to experience a situation where confidence has let me down. let's sheep Andrius.

BTW you seem very considered and careful this game chickadee
I'm really ok with sheeping Andrius

And I'm not sure what you mean with that comment.
just a general comment, you're coming across as very reflective this game (more so than usual) :>

In post 1202, HitAlt wrote:Yea, Chick has been surfing this whole game.

The above two comments about me conflict with each other, and I agree more with HitAlt's comment. Which makes me think TW could be scum, trying to pocket me? Is that an insane assumption?

In post 1205, brassherald wrote:
In post 1204, the worst wrote:
In post 1202, HitAlt wrote:Yea, Chick has been surfing this whole game.

Myloninja's not in this game.

It's a chickadee...silly. Is me.

@Taly

You stated my thoughts exactly for a flubber wagon. They only post when they're being suspected, and much of their posting is self centric.

Andrius · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:34 am

THIS is how to claim:

In post 1129, dramonic wrote:Not waiting to get lolhammered while at work.
Im a prime-night Jailkeeper. So jk on 2-3-5-7

Way to derail a scumlynch to out your PRs people

This is how NOT to claim:

In post 1199, HitAlt wrote:I am a town-PR. Have been crumbing it from the start. I have a role that gets a lot more value out of results after some flips, so it also benefits from scum not thinking I'm worth a block or kill.I find it so hard to NOT post, but I've also found it hard to produce anything that doesn't ruin my nightresults.

The difference is the former CLAIMED, the latter didn't claim anything and is just using the 'tee hee im a town PR' to try and avoid getting lynched. You've played an abysmal game and you STILL haven't produced the promised content and/or reads and are still hiding behind some tee hee role claim.

NEWS FLASH. Apparently this is a 'role madness normal' so the claim means nothing.

Andrius · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:47 am

In post 1217, Taly wrote:There's at least 4-5 different wagons right now and that is very unhelpful given the lack of time we have.

Honestly the xyzzy flashwagon was real anti-town because we learned nothing since we already know there's enough people not really playing the game who will vote anyone so it really didn't accomplish anything besides create another wagon to compete with the main ones.

In post 1217, Taly wrote:I don't like that Flubb only posts when he's being suspected

The man isn't prod-dodging though. He posts and keeps up and sure he's not conf.town or anything but he posts somewhat regularly and does content which is more than some people can say given the amount of pseudo-lurkers we have this game. >.<

In post 1217, Taly wrote:Also Chickadee is getting by with nothing

I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing this.

In post 1221, Taly wrote:If I read correctly, Andrius townreads Dram?

Yes

profii · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:54 am

In post 1240, Andrius wrote:THIS is how to claim:
In post 1129, dramonic wrote:Not waiting to get lolhammered while at work.
Im a prime-night Jailkeeper. So jk on 2-3-5-7

Way to derail a scumlynch to out your PRs people
This is how NOT to claim:
In post 1199, HitAlt wrote:I am a town-PR. Have been crumbing it from the start. I have a role that gets a lot more value out of results after some flips, so it also benefits from scum not thinking I'm worth a block or kill.I find it so hard to NOT post, but I've also found it hard to produce anything that doesn't ruin my nightresults.
The difference is the former CLAIMED, the latter didn't claim anything and is just using the 'tee hee im a town PR' to try and avoid getting lynched. You've played an abysmal game and you STILL haven't produced the promised content and/or reads and are still hiding behind some tee hee role claim.

NEWS FLASH. Apparently this is a 'role madness normal' so the claim means nothing.

this helps make my point

I'm not interested in lynching HitAlt because the latter part of your post is what boon does and I think HitAlt is boon. Although he says he is playing differently, HitAlt said something along the lines of 'such a profii thing to say' or something, and Boon is one of few players to a) played enough to say that about me. b) play as per the latter part of your post and get away with it.

I didn't want to call out his alt, but if he denies being Boon, I'd probably get on board the wagon

Raskolnikov · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:32 am

VOTE: The worst

Raskolnikov · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:38 am

actually TW probably doesn't try to seriously lynch pr as scum if dram town

HA claim actually somewhat believable in retrospect, thought he was saying "oh I'll be nightkilled" as an "I'm a player who always does" kind of defense but can see it as softing
Explains uber defensive focus and really heavy pushing/casing complacency to some extent (don't need flip so much if you can investigate I guess)

Raskolnikov · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:39 am

Taly HA feels kind of like a scum exchange though

HitAlt · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:43 am

In post 1240, Andrius wrote:You've played an abysmal game and you STILL haven't produced the promised content and/or reads and are still hiding behind some tee hee role claim.

I'm not hiding behind it, I just want you all to know you'd be lynching a PR.
And to be clear with you - you have done a lot of bashing towards me because my play has been "abysmal", yet you haven't even fully read the longer posts in the game.
You can't pin all the blame on my play being "abysmal" if you haven't noticed underlying nuances in posts that are long..because you only skimmed them.
Now I have no longer a need to pretend that all I was going to rely on was some hidden genius, but I still think you have a lot of nerve rating how anyone else has played the game so far.

Raskolnikov · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:45 am

flubbers probably the only still viable wagon given deadline though I'd find a TW or Taly flip infinitely more interesting

Raskolnikov · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:46 am

HA are you boonskiies?

HitAlt · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:46 am

TW is very possibly scum, yes.
I've been looking at brass/ausuka as potential buddies all day, but haven't checked joint-ISOs or anything yet.
Andrius seems to have a problem with my plan for D1, but that doesn't mean they are scum I guess.
I'd say Chick-TW-brass all need some looking at.