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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:28 pm
by DVa
In post 1219, DrDolittle wrote:wait can someone give me a tldr on why PP is scum other than too many gifs. I waded through pages and pages and realized I never got a case.
I believe the arguments include
"PP doesn't explain himself as town" i.e. this is not his town meta -- Kokichi
"PP is misrepresenting Tchill's meta" i.e. he might have been trying to buddy Tchill -- DVa
"PP is lolcatting as caught scum" i.e. he reacted poorly to the push by me and Kokichi -- Gamma-chan
"The day is too long" i.e. it was the leading wagon -- Tyrion
"PP is not me" i.e. he doesn't want to be the leading wagon anymore -- BEF
I think that summarizes everyone's reason for being on the wagon rn
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:30 pm
by DrDolittle
yeah. here's my plan. I'm going to quickly make a short readlist. then I'm going to go back and look at who are potential lynchables, and then make a judgement based on my readlist.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:30 pm
by Sephiroth
I scum read PP on poe at the time which was why I joined the wagon. I acknowledged when I made my vote that I didn't understand the reason his wagon started, and was questioned by PP about this when I did vote him. This interaction with PP is what started me to lean town on him. Feel free to find all this in my ISO.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:30 pm
by DVa
In post 1081, BrightEyedFish wrote:I'm not so sure now. My top 2 scum reads are on my 3rd scum read's wagon. Maybe they are trying to help PP.
I don't know, but maybe a little L-1 can push us along further.
VOTE: PenguinPower
sorry, I was interpolating BEF's reasons, this is what he actually said
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:30 pm
by Sephiroth
@nako ^^
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:31 pm
by DrDolittle
These last two reasons can literally move to any other wagon. So you are telling me PP only has 3 votes.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:32 pm
by Nako
In post 1227, Sephiroth wrote:I scum read PP on poe at the time which was why I joined the wagon. I acknowledged when I made my vote that I didn't understand the reason his wagon started, and was questioned by PP about this when I did vote him. This interaction with PP is what started me to lean town on him. Feel free to find all this in my ISO.
I am asking why are you
still
voting PP if you think they are town?
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:33 pm
by PenguinPower
He's not.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:33 pm
by DrDolittle
In post 978, Sephiroth wrote:poe. I don't think you've been doing anything to move the game forward in recent memory whereas the other slots have done more or made posts that ping me as town. I don't think the reaction to your wagon of just posting images helps your case. Not that it hurts it.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:34 pm
by Sephiroth
bro I've been voting A50 since
1141 what are you smoking
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:34 pm
by DVa
In post 1230, DrDolittle wrote:These last two reasons can literally move to any other wagon. So you are telling me PP only has 3 votes.
BEF might say he has a real reason but yeah, basically three votes that have discernible reasons
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:35 pm
by DrDolittle
So if I'm understanding correctly seph, from 978 to now, the latter part doesn't apply any more
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:37 pm
by Sephiroth
I don't think his response to being wagoned was AI. But his interactions with me, particularly his ability to acknowledge and back off his initial inquiry into my reasons for voting him, struck me as something town would do in that situation more than scum. I also felt that his posts were genuine from a tone/gut level.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:37 pm
by Nako
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:38 pm
by OkaPoka
Hey people on useless wagons.
Cut the crap and vote someone that matters already. We have 50 pages of content and obviously your wagon isn't taking off with the given information so I'd either suggest you introduce new content or get behind a wagon that'll move the gamestate forward. All these arguments are getting circular and repetitive and they don't do much at all except give more opportunities at town cred grabbing. now i get if you want to stand up for your beliefs and push who you think is most scummy, but the fact that people aren't being exactly swayed to your position means that its not going to happen with the given gamestate and thus we need to move the game forward. vote someone that matters or actually make a strong argument.
thanks.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:40 pm
by Sephiroth
I really hope that you follow that up with something that matters or a strong argument.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:40 pm
by OkaPoka
I'm voting tchill.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:42 pm
by Sephiroth
So that's a no, then.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:43 pm
by Sephiroth
Do you still want to lynch PP, Dva?
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:44 pm
by Nako
In post 1225, DVa wrote: In post 1219, DrDolittle wrote:wait can someone give me a tldr on why PP is scum other than too many gifs. I waded through pages and pages and realized I never got a case.
I believe the arguments include
"PP doesn't explain himself as town" i.e. this is not his town meta -- Kokichi
"PP is misrepresenting Tchill's meta" i.e. he might have been trying to buddy Tchill -- DVa
"PP is lolcatting as caught scum" i.e. he reacted poorly to the push by me and Kokichi -- Gamma-chan
"The day is too long" i.e. it was the leading wagon -- Tyrion
"PP is not me" i.e. he doesn't want to be the leading wagon anymore -- BEF
I think that summarizes everyone's reason for being on the wagon rn
BTW I liked this post a lot haha
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:44 pm
by OkaPoka
You are voting third party and bloating the thread.
At first sure, but by now you have to realize that A50 wagon won't gain any steam.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:46 pm
by Sephiroth
Oka just shut up and let the people trying to do something do something okay? okay.
@dva, I disagree completely that he was misrepping tchills meta, and I think thats a weak reason to lynch him. Who is your next highest scum read?
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:59 pm
by DVa
Very good question lol, I've been thinking about this, especially cause I don't like 2 of the votes on the wagon
overall, I'd say... how do I put this... "I
don't not
want to lynch PP." ya, I feel like compared to Diffusion of Power, where he was in fact mislynched on day 1, he feels... very passive and not nearly as aggressive. even so, compared to Epic Duel, where he was NOT mislynched day 1, but was a leading candidate, it seems... a bit closer? ugh. really, he seems tonally different. a lot more willing to kinda talk through his reads.
He seems more reserved and, as Gamma-chan said, lolcatty.
You can compare:
If he is town, I think this is the closest analogue to his play here:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
If he is scum, it is because we have not seen any of the combativeness or counter-push evident here:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
Between the two, I feel like he is dissimilar enough to both town games that my suspicions have not been abated and I believe he has decent scum equity.
There are other candidates.
>Tyrion is not really playing to his town meta imo, and if he is, then he should be lynched so he starts playing d1s again. I would accept a mislynch on a town Tyrion based on his play here, and I would be pissed if he was scum and we gave him a free pass.
>BEF is very much within his range as scum, his votes have seemed a bit survivalistic and opportunistic, and I think he is capable of deeper reasoning as town
So I guess right now I would prefer PP but I'm not really dead set on him. He seems like a solid wagon all things considered.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:03 pm
by Nako
In post 1247, DVa wrote:
Very good question lol, I've been thinking about this, especially cause I don't like 2 of the votes on the wagon
overall, I'd say... how do I put this... "I
don't not
want to lynch PP." ya, I feel like compared to Diffusion of Power, where he was in fact mislynched on day 1, he feels... very passive and not nearly as aggressive. even so, compared to Epic Duel, where he was NOT mislynched day 1, but was a leading candidate, it seems... a bit closer? ugh. really, he seems tonally different. a lot more willing to kinda talk through his reads.
He seems more reserved and, as Gamma-chan said, lolcatty.
You can compare:
If he is town, I think this is the closest analogue to his play here:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
If he is scum, it is because we have not seen any of the combativeness or counter-push evident here:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
Between the two, I feel like he is dissimilar enough to both town games that my suspicions have not been abated and I believe he has decent scum equity.
There are other candidates.
>Tyrion is not really playing to his town meta imo, and if he is, then he should be lynched so he starts playing d1s again. I would accept a mislynch on a town Tyrion based on his play here, and I would be pissed if he was scum and we gave him a free pass.
>BEF is very much within his range as scum, his votes have seemed a bit survivalistic and opportunistic, and I think he is capable of deeper reasoning as town
So I guess right now I would prefer PP but I'm not really dead set on him. He seems like a solid wagon all things considered.
Very good post. DVa is town.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:04 pm
by PenguinPower
Agree.
