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Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:58 pm
by GuiltyLion
to explain my question I thought the reasoning for TvS between Suji/Joey might be manufactured because this is what TSE said:
In post 1145, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Usually Scum, at least when I flip scum in my games, will try and involve their mafia member in a conversation but then distance from another.
yet Titus wasn't proactively involving anyone in conversation, she was instead responding to the two most immediate questions asked of her in real time dialogue so the whole thing is built on a misrepresentation of
703
however I was expecting TSE if scum to backtrack on this or at least acknowledge the misrep in some way but instead they doubled down
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:02 pm
by GuiltyLion
if this is all town, who's scum? I still think Joey/nEE are town but that leaves Suji/pisskop and I don't know if pisskop goes to bus Suji on D3 in that world
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:10 pm
by TrueSoulEnergy
In post 1226, GuiltyLion wrote:if this is all town, who's scum? I still think Joey/nEE are town but that leaves Suji/pisskop and I don't know if pisskop goes to bus Suji on D3 in that world
Either You or Awoo would be with Suji/Joey.
So since I can’t no Lynch.
VOTE: Awoo
This is probably going to flip Town because I think mafia put all 3 Town on this wagon.
However the more I think about it.
If Awoo dose flip Town that means You are Scum with Joey/Suji.
Yeah know TBCH.
Awoo/GL and Joey/Suji
^ These are the TVS.
Lynch in that pool.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:11 pm
by TrueSoulEnergy
Pisskop can never be Mafia as I stated before.
Their interaction with Titus prevents it.
And Nor is obvious Town based on Day 2 Lynch.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:13 pm
by TrueSoulEnergy
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:16 pm
by Menalque
What’s your mafia experience like? Where else have you played?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:24 pm
by TrueSoulEnergy
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:51 pm
by Sujimichi
I was wrong, and I need to re-evaluate. I will be back tomorrow.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:54 pm
by Joey_
In post 1205, chennisden wrote:The nominees are Awoo, Menalque, and TrueSoulEnergy.
D4 ends in
(expired on 2019-11-02 18:52:57).
I am lynching awoo 90% here in those 3
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:57 pm
by Joey_
In post 1215, Menalque wrote:I’ll think about it, idk, I was starting to tr creature before he repped out and I was having doubts about awoo
I would lean this as 3 town tho, bc I think it would be bold for scum to put me in a situation where I have a 50/50 chance of pushing scum after getting titus
So if I’m working on that basis, the most interesting question is actually probably : what does this mean for suji’s alignment?
Specifically, is suji the kind of player to prolong their own death by one day by not putting themselves in the lynch pool (which would be v WIFOMy) or the type of player who realises that on a bigbrain level of makes more sense to put yourself in and roll with it than to not put yourself in and be lynxhed
Or this could be scum trying to set a mislynch for tonorrow. I need to think the game through
Why do you care/analyse the wifom possibilities and such? It's not really relevant
In post 1217, Menalque wrote:I think prob the whole team was on wagon yesterday so I’m still leaning doing awoo today bc if we do suji tomorrow then the redflip means the final would be in (joey, norway, GL)
Whos norway?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:59 pm
by Menalque
It’s totally relevant I just vary on whether I think it’s useful for town to know that I’m wondering about WIFOM or not. Specifically, answering that question (albeit a WIFOMy one) is prob the most important thing for winning the game imo
Norway = norwegianboy
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:13 pm
by Joey_
In post 1218, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I still stand by my word that 1 of Joey/Sujimichi Is Mafia.
Also PM flipping town, proves my point further.
Pisskop Flipping Mafia also never makes sense here. Why? Because of this sentence made by Titus: “Hey pisskop! If you quit voting scum, they'll townread you!”
^ I don’t think that’s ever a SvS thing to say.
So Joey’s Scum Reads are absolutely fuckin shit.
They are just what he considers “easy miss Lynch”
Mutant also called Pisskop Town before his Lynch.
I also don’t like Awoo TBH.
This was Mutants Reads:
Awoo - Top Scum
Titus
Norwegianboy
Menalque
Correspondence
Pisskop
Dongempire
Creature
PMysterious
Joey_ - Top Town
Though it changed and Awoo became Town Read so I’m not entirely sure.
I don’t know Joey’s meta. But I’m fairly certain he would play the same regardless of alignment
Another funny thing is.
Not only did Titus conform the TVS - Joey/Suj
But on Day 1’s first vote count Titus voted for Joey and guess who else voted with Titus? That’s right! The slot Suj replaced into.
On Second Day 1 Vote Count Suj Slot Votes Titus.
Then kept it on them for the rest of the Day 1.
Joey Voted for PM final Day 1 Vote Count.
Heres who voted for the lynched wagon.
-) Pisskop, Titus, Corre, Mena, Awoo, Nor.
Now going on to Day 2.
Funny part is WHAT DO YOU KNOW Suj’s Slot didn’t vote for Titus the first 3 Vote Counts.
Then it takes till 4 until Suj votes Titus.
Although this is actually Null and not scum as the Slot was inactive for awhile and it can go both ways.
Suj could have voted Titus because scummy.
Or Suj could have voted them because Titus requested them to or to keep the same thing going as the Slot they replaced into.
Meanwhile PM, Joey and Titus have their votes on Nor and I don’t think Titus would ever Buss Nor like that.
So that being said.
I’m voting within Joey/Suj. If I can’t I’m voting no Lynch.
Also here’s my Town Core (Never Lynching)
-) Nor, PK and the one of Joey/Suj that isn’t the mafia.
VOTE: No Lynch
Everyone nominated here is Town almost 100%.
Awoo might be Mafia as I said before but I can use a simple PoE to figure it out.
Also I noticed this setup has no mafia night kill.
Meaning as long as we always keep PK and Nor alive. We win the Game.
1. My reads were from team analyses and non-team tells. Not gonna lie, It took me a good 2h to reread most relevant isos, but most reads were from gut and/or an absence of posts on a certain slots.
Those were not individual slot reads (like mutant was and in a lesser extent, PM when I was reading his tone).
They are not my "scumreads" but proposed scumteams. You say my reads are shit because you non-team read pk w/ titus, I am guessing it is because the only team that is left possible in my pool includes pk. I mean, I can be wrong but it's pretty strong to call my reads shit and just feels like pure discrediting/shading.
2. Where does this read comes from ? Why don't you ask me instead of making biased assumptions
3. You are refereeing to your own read about the Titus post who @'d at me and suji right? Basically you are using that single post to form a view (the dichotomy) then you find evidence to confirm that weak af read, aka the Titus vote on me and Suji vote on Titus. I dont even understand where is the coherence here since you are pointing at two different behavior (voting & being voted by scum).
I am assuming you are implying that scum titus acted differently because we are different alignement (suji and I) yet you don't explain why would voting/being voted would be AI from titus POV. It's implying that Titus plays differently with scum & town when the goal of scum is to obscure team tells. It just sounds like bad assumptions and a weak af read
4. ?? whats your point
You are posting a lot of infos trying to make a point across, yet it fails because your thought process is fucking opaque. You are also VERY obviously confirmation biasing which is FALLACIOUS af
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:16 pm
by Joey_
We can as in, it will be considered no votes = random lynch
If only a single person votes someones and unvotes, and everyone NL = the voted person voted once will be lynched
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:19 pm
by Joey_
Honestly I will be fucked if suji is actually mafia after their interactions w/ titus, from both slots
@Menalque ; If I assure you that I am town, would you be down to let yourself be fearlynched for town purposes? Maybe?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:21 pm
by Awoo
Hi guys haven't really read this day but I know I've been nominated, and I also know that I am probably the best lynch today.
TrueSoulEnergy townslipped in post 1411 and he is never mafia probably I think.
TrueSoulEnergy being confirmed town doesn't make his opinions all infallible, honestly I haven't read any of his posts since I already know his alignment
Suji is outed mafia, lynch him asap. Once he flips red, everyone's win condition in the game (town and mafia) becomes to be the person sitting next to TrueSoulEnergy in the final 2.
Me hammering PM was probably the moment we can point to as where we lost the game if we do end up losing this game, keeping PM alive or discarding him on a lynchpool day was the best move. I finally came around to thinking he was likely town (Based on the same logic joey had and later flipped on) and in a moment of wavering, I hammered him thinking I was putting him at L-1, and also making a conscious decision not to go back and count the votes
All that being said, I am town and getting lynched does not further my win condition. Menalque is also town but I haven't seen his role PM, but at the same time I'm not going to go scumcase him because scumcasing a town is not bueno, so basically the only reason you should keep me alive today is if you think I'm more town then menalque is. Personally I know I am, so that's why my vote will remain here for the whole day.
VOTE: Menalque
bye guys peace out sorry for throwing the game
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:25 pm
by Joey_
Wait lmao, somehow I forgot TTS is not suji's slot, I am pretty dumb.
you can disregard my 1233 for now. Creature's slot was pretty terrible D1, better D2. In my excel sheet (lel), creature is in both my last most possible scumteams, w/ Creatu/PK & Creat/GL.
The Creat/GL one is lesser tho and is why I didn't post it in my initial pool.
1/3 of my poe scum (creat/GL/pk) along + my paranoia deepwolf (awoo), I am not sure how to feel.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:26 pm
by Awoo
Hey joey TTS is not getting lynched this game so yeahhhhhhh
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:28 pm
by Awoo
Can I interest anyone on a paranoia lynch on menalque? What if he bussed titus for the towncred? What if titus fighting back was scum theater? ooOOOOOoooOOOOooooOOOooOOOOooo *wavy hands*
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:28 pm
by Joey_
If it was 1 mafia left I might fearflip menalque, it would disastrous if hes town tho
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:30 pm
by Joey_
@Awoo - somehow you always ends up agreeing w/ me before voting town (mutant, PM) when you basically mock my reasoning in thread, mind explaining?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:32 pm
by Joey_
inb4 it's you being cocky and meta open wolfing
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:32 pm
by Sujimichi
In post 1239, Awoo wrote:TrueSoulEnergy townslipped in post 1411 and he is never mafia probably I think.
There is no post 1411. Could you clarify?
I am likely ignoring Menalque and Awoo's further posting (except for Awoo's clarification), as they seemed to be tunneled on me being scum. For clarity, by "tunnel" I mean, unwilling to consider anything other than.
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:35 pm
by Joey_
@suji he's talking about TTS first post
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:36 pm
by Awoo
I don't remember agreeing with you on mutant, did I? I thought we vehemently disagreed.
And I didn't publically agree with you on PM iirc, that was all in my head. There's no way you could hAlso I show my love by mocking people, don't judge me.ave known that.
As for mocking people, that's my way of having fun, yes I am aware it is a bit unethical and probably detrimental to everyone including me, I will make an effort to stop doing that now or in the future. Except for people who I think are mafia. Speaking of which,
Sujimichi wrote: In post 1239, Awoo wrote:TrueSoulEnergy townslipped in post 1411 and he is never mafia probably I think.
There is no post 1411. Could you clarify?
This is a townread from the future you don't understand it yet
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:38 pm
by Sujimichi
That's unhelpful, and I don't see why you won't clairfy if it is beneficial to the town.