In post 684, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Ugh I dozed off on page 20. I will be able to catch up tomorrow because tomorrow is Fri-yay, but in the interest of getting my paw more into the game:
401 is a lot of words but not many stances. Egix, what's your read on Auro and Klick (presently, not when you wrote this post)?
I feel pretty good about TSE, Ysh, and ML.
It was this one
The dissonance in calling out 401 for being lots of words/not many stances while simultaneously giving very little felt like you weren't being self-conscious in a way that I feel would be difficult to do as scum.
That,and the reads list is sensible - TSE and Yshtola were my two strongest townreads around that time, and while I'm uncertain about ML I can see why it'd be easy to fall into a townread there.
There's a fascinating relationship between the amount you read from me and how strongly you town read me.
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
I'm completely null. I feel like his head's not in this game at all, and I've seen that from him as town and scum.
Considering I have more townreads than scumreads att his point he's leaning scum, but not by anything in his own play.
In post 430, Sujimichi wrote:
I came to a different conclusion in that most of his [Aldu's] questions, such as the majority of post 142, appear to be made with the intent to look like he is questioning, but without the intent to truly understand. His last question in post 142, for example, is a leading question with only one "correct" answer and yet he utilizes it to make it seem as if TrueSoulEnergy is Mafia "walking the line" with Auro until he needs to cast him aside.
Ignores the fact that Aldus later arrived at a townread on TSE
He does something similar to Miss Lynch in post 322 using the word "weird" instead of being straightforward with assigning alignment. One could say he is guilty of doing something similar to what he accused TrueSoulEnergy doing to Auro in that he is keeping his options open with regard to Miss Lynch (and it is not lost on me the humor in that he is lightly attacking Miss Lynch for attacking Auro and not voting him whilst keeping his vote on Egix96).
I am ignoring most of his posts with regard to "Mason" content.
Nitpicky - a lot of people use the word "weird" to describe something that is, well, weird.
In post 476, Sujimichi wrote:Below is where I am at with some redactions with regard to associations, but there are several players I would like to see more from (such as woodchuck321).
[/u]General Reads[/u]
popsofctown is currently my strongest town read
Miss Lynch and Klick are town leans
Yshtola Rhul and Egix96 are a scum leans.
Auro and Alduskkel are currently scum leans of medium confidence.
Her reads here are very simplistic. All of her scumreads townread Aldus, and her townreads scumread Aldus, which doesn't make sense because if you're going to make associative reads like that, you should also consider that scum aren't all going to townread each other.
>Your being aware of Homura's alignment shouldn't have a bearing on the weakness of the case
>Homura having an ISO of three posts coasting on one singular angle is objectively scummy, and wasn't weak reasoning at that point of time to build a wagon
>A rational explanation for not providing fresh thoughts as town doesn't suffice when it's beneficial for scum to do so
>I forgot about the Abraham case, what's the scum motivation when I can make something up as scum anyway? This is not a possibility you considered?
You asked me why I think you are Mafia, and I provided all of the reasons why I do. I do not expect you to agree with them and, as you said previously, anything can be explained away, Auro.
To push a bit further for understanding, why do you assign "coasting" to Homura considering that she did not return to the game? You have no idea as to the reasons why so there is no rational basis to do so.
Pushing Auro for essentially pushing her predecessor for having a scummy pattern of engagement. But if we look at Homura's posts, they're asking easy questions that feel like trying to blend in and not providing any reads:
In post 158, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Because there is no Mason PT according to the rules we just know alignments.
The fact he said PT makes me believe he is VT.
Why did you rule out Auro WIFOMing?
In post 624, Sujimichi wrote:I appreciate the dialogue, Auro. I think that it has reached the end of its productiveness at this point, so I will let others give their thoughts.
This is scummy because why would you give up an opportunity to engage with a scumread especially after having so little interaction with them. I don't understand why Suji wouldn't further engage with Auro to either strengthen her scumread there, "show" why Auro is scum, or to reassess her read on Auro, and I also disliked her brushing away Auro's attempts to engage as "anything can be explained away."
Also for some reason it takes all Town to be able to lynch scum.
Mainly why I want a Suji lynch today.
As I don’t think ML or Pops will vote it.
Suji also won’t vote Pops or ML.
So it’s pretty much GG once town realizes that we win here.
In post 1237, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I also reviewed CT/Pops again, and I admit it wasn't as clearing as I thought it was. Pops scum also makes sense with Suji scum.
Suji, Pops, Chem? Not confident on Chem but I think Klick is townier than him so
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
CSF I'm gonna be honest most of your post seems remarkably nitpicky. This part in particular stands out as wrong:
In post 1231, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Her reads here are very simplistic. All of her scumreads townread Aldus, and her townreads scumread Aldus, which doesn't make sense because if you're going to make associative reads like that, you should also consider that scum aren't all going to townread each other.
First, assuming that this was the basis behind her reads with no reason to assume it at all is weird. But in addition to that, pops was townreading Aldus at this point, Klick has been townreading him the entire game, and Egix had no read on him at all. Your statement is so factually incorrect, that you could say the reverse is true and it would still be just as wrong.
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
Homuras questions additionally look like some of the better questions asked this game and the points brought up are solid ones that should be brought to notice.
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
The posts about Aldi's are irrelevant. The way Aldi's arrived at his TSE town read was awkward and supports Suji's stance on him, IMO. Your disagreement over assignment of meaning to the word "weird" is merely that: a disagreement. I don't see how she's really pushing Auro at all in the place where you accuse her of doing so, and ending a conversation when it is no longer fruitful is a good thing to do and something I've regularly done as town. All I really see in that "case" is a list of misrepresentations, and I'm not really certain why you would do that considering I'm town reading you.
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
Do you have a gut read on Suji that you just can't justify?
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
Like even if one of the things you called Suji out for doing was anti-town or scum indicative, I've seen all of them come more from town than from scum, which gives even less weight to this argument.
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
In post 1242, Miss Lane wrote:The posts about Aldi's are irrelevant. The way Aldi's arrived at his TSE town read was awkward and supports Suji's stance on him, IMO. Your disagreement over assignment of meaning to the word "weird" is merely that: a disagreement. I don't see how she's really pushing Auro at all in the place where you accuse her of doing so, and ending a conversation when it is no longer fruitful is a good thing to do and something I've regularly done as town. All I really see in that "case" is a list of misrepresentations, and I'm not really certain why you would do that considering I'm town reading you.
You shouldn’t.
It wasn’t awkward.
What? Because he worded it the way you didn’t like it made it wrong?
It’s the conclusion that matters.
The steps to get there don’t really matter.
In post 1244, Miss Lane wrote:Like even if one of the things you called Suji out for doing was anti-town or scum indicative, I've seen all of them come more from town than from scum, which gives even less weight to this argument.
In his recent Scum game.
He demolished town.
He was legit the towniest slot in the game.
In post 1240, Miss Lane wrote:CSF I'm gonna be honest most of your post seems remarkably nitpicky. This part in particular stands out as wrong:
In post 1231, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Her reads here are very simplistic. All of her scumreads townread Aldus, and her townreads scumread Aldus, which doesn't make sense because if you're going to make associative reads like that, you should also consider that scum aren't all going to townread each other.
First, assuming that this was the basis behind her reads with no reason to assume it at all is weird.
What did I assume? I don't think I made any assumptions here. It's an observation that her scumreads all townread Aldus and her townreads scumread Aldus with the exception of maybe Klick.
But in addition to that, pops was townreading Aldus at this point, Klick has been townreading him the entire game, and Egix had no read on him at all. Your statement is so factually incorrect, that you could say the reverse is true and it would still be just as wrong.
Pops wasn't not townreading Aldus at this point. Why do you think this? pop's vote on Aldus as of 442, and 456 also implies she was still scumreading Ald there.
Klick I admit I could've been wrong on simply because I don't remember what Klick's view of the game was at the time off the top of my head. But notably, you and pops were both active at the time and were pushing there.
Let me preface this by saying that single game meta is a bad sole reason to town or scum read anyone in a mafia game outside of early day 1, and especially in potential Mylo. That said, I skimmed Suji's recent scum game and recent town game and found too few similarities between either to support a scum read on them except in the most dire circumstances. The scum game bring used lasted only 9 days and seems to be a mechanically run game - a game where posting a mere 30 times in 13 pages isn't really a whole lot to write home about, and a game where a player who seems to not be making much of an impression at all will likely fly mostly under the radar. In addition, Suji's posting in that game seem to be largely concerned with her scum buddy, with mastina coming up in roughly 70% of her posts. I don't see a correlation here with her and cheeky. In fact, she mentions Cheeky almost not at all. Combine this with the fact that her most recent town game she also posted largely like this - the only notable lacking factor from my skin is that she's less aggressive and controlling in this game - could be explained by a plethora of reasons. Fearmongering over Suji's play in this instance does not seem like a good move to make, especially when there are 9 days left to allow a more reasonable approach to make an impact.
ftr ML has played pretty well and deserves a win if they get it. - pisskop
Welp, we lost. I actually believed ML's claim. ... And seriously. We knew ML was a vote manipulator and still thought she was telling the truth. ... Well, looks like town is going to let the sk's win. That was kind of a genius play by ML. ... ML deserves this win. That was a good play on her part. - Rautherdir
