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In post 1210, Not_Mafia wrote:Lol like I would ever strategise or co-operate with my partners

In post 1201, Lost wrote:my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

In post 1229, MURDERCAT wrote:

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

GG people in this sir have player a lot of Mafia, they usually don't make mistakes like that. You have to look deeper

In post 1133, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 1130, Lost wrote:

In post 1129, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 1127, Lost wrote:

In post 1126, MURDERCAT wrote:I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

How... unsubstantial. I feel insulted by the fact that your read on me is not a 10-page psychological analysis.

it's more substantial than your bambi case that's for sure

let me read posts i'm 10 pages behind

Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post

before

you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

In post 493, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 491, ManWithNoName wrote:By golly Ms. Molly, this guy really doesn't have a sense of humor at all.

Humor is not a sense. Humor is for losers.

In post 437, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 429, Not_Mafia wrote:i think someone needs to lynch Genius guys, his lack of contribution is unacceptable

*Cough* Hypocrite! *Cough*

Post count in itself doesn’t matter (though my post count has, in fact, reached the double digits). I have a particularly busy life to live. Also, I have called you out for not only your posting style, but also your hammer of Dong before he could defend himself. I see you as scum, so I will vote for you until you’re eliminated.

On a tangentially related note, we’re not really supposed to use the word “lynch” anymore.

In post 1231, bob3141 wrote:

In post 1133, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 1130, Lost wrote:

In post 1129, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 1127, Lost wrote:

In post 1126, MURDERCAT wrote:I'd like to hear from lost and anyone else who hasn't posted about GG

probably scum

also gotta leave this here while i catch up.

How... unsubstantial. I feel insulted by the fact that your read on me is not a 10-page psychological analysis.

it's more substantial than your bambi case that's for sure

let me read posts i'm 10 pages behind

Pro Tip: I don’t really find it helpful to post

before

you’ve caught up. Also, I don’t think you’re in a position to call my posting unsubstantial when you have under 100 — actually, I’ll be generous — 75 posts at this point in the game.

Why do you think post number matters. And i would say most of your posts are unsubstantial. What reasoning there is in your posts is weak.

An example is how you try and push isis and bambi in one posts as partners. But never actualy come up with any reasoning as to why each one is scum. You say oh they must be buddies. Not even goign into why you think their exchnage that you quoted is AI. And how it lead you to that thought.

In post 1233, bob3141 wrote:

In post 437, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 429, Not_Mafia wrote:i think someone needs to lynch Genius guys, his lack of contribution is unacceptable

*Cough* Hypocrite! *Cough*

Post count in itself doesn’t matter (though my post count has, in fact, reached the double digits). I have a particularly busy life to live. Also, I have called you out for not only your posting style, but also your hammer of Dong before he could defend himself. I see you as scum, so I will vote for you until you’re eliminated.

On a tangentially related note, we’re not really supposed to use the word “lynch” anymore.

Here you go on about post count. Yet claim lost cant criticize your posts due to lower post count

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 1201, Lost wrote:my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

I am new to this site. That’s true. So why don’t I express confusion often? I don’t know, maybe because there are places like the wiki to read! In fact, I

did

ask what hypoclaiming is in my very first post in this game, as that term wasn’t used in any of the places I’ve played mafia or the wiki.

I think there are two parts to my play style that make you think it’s “rigid”. One part of my play style that’s bothering you isn’t “rigid,” per se. It’s more like, “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” Some of them include (in order of most scummy to least): Lolhammering, outright refusing to cooperate, and not going after your strongest reads. I find those to be serious offenses.

You’re trying to convince me that a lolhammer is a lazy scumtell? So if [insert your strongest row read here] hammered someone as soon as that person was at E-1, you wouldn’t express suspicion towards the former? I don’t believe that.

Again, I brushed off a vague claim of “5 years of meta” that tried to excuse everything Not_Mafia did. If someone had actually decided to be specific and bring up an example, which Bob eventually did, I would have considered the meta. Not that anything can

fully

excuse someone from doing all that stuff.

Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

I’d have been voted out before Dong was if I played the way people on some sites do.. I’m trying to get used to the particular way Mafia is played here, so

of course

my gameplay is “textbooky”. “Textbooks” give you all the relevant information you need to play the game, and I’d rather be informed but “rigid” than uninformed and flexible. I’m eschewing flexibility, social bonding, and learning along the way in favor of more efficient scumhunting and having a general understanding of the way mafia is played here.

You did

not

just accuse me of using buzzwords. You have got to be kidding me. Bussing does not

have

to be one partner voting the other. Bussing is

scum distancing themselves from one another

. This includes general claims of suspicion. I feel personally insulted that you would even consider accusing me of using buzzwords without even understanding the word you claim I’m using as a buzzword. I also feel insulted that you would stoop so low as to accuse me of throwing a tantrum about meta, both claiming that I had an outburst of anger and implying that my emotional control is at the level of a small child. This was clearly not the case.

Again, you’ve cherry-picked words and phrases to make me look bad. I did, in fact, include my going after N_M in the “things I will omit” section. How coincidental that you somehow missed that.

Are you implying that I’m unable to create good reads without a mountain of evidence? Unless you also missed that by complete chance, I cited an instance from my previous game in which a single slip from a scum player caused a town player to go after them, culminating in a scum elimination. I also believe that people are more likely to reveal themselves in a particular moment rather than over time. You conveniently forgot to address that point of mine.

I start the game with a townread on everybody. Once they do something scummy, their towniness is knocked down a certain amount based on their infraction. Since Bob has contributed, not done anything scummy, and given good reads that I generally agree with, I townread him. I guess you missed that as well when I explained it earlier.

Your case against me is full of cherry-picked information made with the intent of agreeing with the majority of players. This sticks out to me as confirmation bias at best, and scum trying to agree with the town at worst. Perhaps you should actually read my previous rebuttals before making such a poorly written case.

In post 1235, Not_Mafia wrote:

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 1201, Lost wrote:my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

I am new to this site. That’s true. So why don’t I express confusion often? I don’t know, maybe because there are places like the wiki to read! In fact, I

did

ask what hypoclaiming is in my very first post in this game, as that term wasn’t used in any of the places I’ve played mafia or the wiki.

I think there are two parts to my play style that make you think it’s “rigid”. One part of my play style that’s bothering you isn’t “rigid,” per se. It’s more like, “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” Some of them include (in order of most scummy to least): Lolhammering, outright refusing to cooperate, and not going after your strongest reads. I find those to be serious offenses.

You’re trying to convince me that a lolhammer is a lazy scumtell? So if [insert your strongest row read here] hammered someone as soon as that person was at E-1, you wouldn’t express suspicion towards the former? I don’t believe that.

Again, I brushed off a vague claim of “5 years of meta” that tried to excuse everything Not_Mafia did. If someone had actually decided to be specific and bring up an example, which Bob eventually did, I would have considered the meta. Not that anything can

fully

excuse someone from doing all that stuff.

Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

I’d have been voted out before Dong was if I played the way people on some sites do.. I’m trying to get used to the particular way Mafia is played here, so

of course

my gameplay is “textbooky”. “Textbooks” give you all the relevant information you need to play the game, and I’d rather be informed but “rigid” than uninformed and flexible. I’m eschewing flexibility, social bonding, and learning along the way in favor of more efficient scumhunting and having a general understanding of the way mafia is played here.

You did

not

just accuse me of using buzzwords. You have got to be kidding me. Bussing does not

have

to be one partner voting the other. Bussing is

scum distancing themselves from one another

. This includes general claims of suspicion. I feel personally insulted that you would even consider accusing me of using buzzwords without even understanding the word you claim I’m using as a buzzword. I also feel insulted that you would stoop so low as to accuse me of throwing a tantrum about meta, both claiming that I had an outburst of anger and implying that my emotional control is at the level of a small child. This was clearly not the case.

Again, you’ve cherry-picked words and phrases to make me look bad. I did, in fact, include my going after N_M in the “things I will omit” section. How coincidental that you somehow missed that.

Are you implying that I’m unable to create good reads without a mountain of evidence? Unless you also missed that by complete chance, I cited an instance from my previous game in which a single slip from a scum player caused a town player to go after them, culminating in a scum elimination. I also believe that people are more likely to reveal themselves in a particular moment rather than over time. You conveniently forgot to address that point of mine.

I start the game with a townread on everybody. Once they do something scummy, their towniness is knocked down a certain amount based on their infraction. Since Bob has contributed, not done anything scummy, and given good reads that I generally agree with, I townread him. I guess you missed that as well when I explained it earlier.

Your case against me is full of cherry-picked information made with the intent of agreeing with the majority of players. This sticks out to me as confirmation bias at best, and scum trying to agree with the town at worst. Perhaps you should actually read my previous rebuttals before making such a poorly written case.

tl;dr

In post 1201, Lost wrote:my gg read is somewhat influenced by his playstyle and some premature associative tells, before you finish reading and mention these to me. i am aware.

i'm going to gloss over d1 content, but playstyle wise already felt weird. the relatively new join date does indicate he's new to the site, though he states himself he's not new to mafia. if anything he claims he has lots of experience playing, so it always bothers me why he approaches the game so rigidly. if he's new i would expect confusion, if he has had experience i'd expect him to adapt. his unwillingness to, i'm going to use this liberally, "play along" strikes me as scum trying to stick to a formula that he's used to, which includes the usual scumhunting emulation, trying to subtly towntell, always being on topic etcetc.

of course, this extends beyond his d1 play.

d2 wise he starts off with the nm push that he had since d1, backing it up with the lolhammer and lack of participation(195, 405, leading to 683) when there was basically little to no content end d1, therefore nm's lack of participation isn't that horrible, and the lolhammer is too lazy of a scumtell. people lolhammer as scum and as town. rejecting meta to continue pushing his reads. it's all too textbooky for this game, and as town there isn't any reason to be this way if you genuinely want to figure stuff out.

initial bambi vote is just horrible. some intentionally not playing well stuff because bambi was fooling around, which escalated into some argument, and somehow from that he concluded, and still thinks, bambi is scum. literally none of the bambi's posts that he had issues with related to the gamestate(jokes and some site meta).

the additional points subsequent bambi case wasn't that good either. his reference to 190 is NAI. the flipflop on the isis read, as pointed out before, just seems convenient for him to put his bambi case together. something about bambi bussing isis too which doesn't even make sense, because the bambi's psots about isis drunk posting have no relation to bambi bussing isis...bambi wasn't even voting isis? throwing out buzzwords trying to make something legit. this ties back in with my thoughts on his rigid playstyle. adding in 1014 to the case, anybody can flip from cracking jokes to providing a legitimate response. he says this as though if bambi started joking around that she should continue joking around. if someone responded properly to a joke i made calling it alignment indicative somehow, why wouldn't i respond seriously?

now i will state for the record that i do think tayl0r could be scum also, and gg's scumread on tayl0r does have me second guessing my gg scumread a bit. on one hand he has no reason to bus tayl0r unless it's a distancing thing that he decided when the game started. on the other hand, he never really explains the tayl0r read until late into the game(late being like a few posts back). and even when he does promise the tayl0r scumread, he pushes it off and doesn't deliver much. seems like he wants to create the distance between himself and tayl0r but doesn't really bother because, if somehow tayl0r does get eliminated, scum gets weaker.

i recognize that this tayl0r section is incredibly associative, but it iz what it iz

but speaking of tayl0r let's look at his tayl0r case:
talks about 32, not alignment indicative
talks about 542 which is actually a pretty decent point and also one of the reasons i scumread tayl0r.

the issues with this is that, despite him having mentioned the tayl0r scumread multiple times, these 2 posts are all he comes up with. not to mention that the only thing he brought up from d1 was 32, and he's had the tayl0r read since he started. on top of that, it was a pretty lazy case despite him having work on it for quite a while. tayl0r read is probably fake, be it bussing or just picking a player to scumread for scumhunting's sake.

moving on from his scumreads to his town(?)reads. they're not really townreads but whatever his terminology is weird.

his bob read makes no sense. looks like a scum buddying up to a somewhat universally townread player. listens to nm-meta justifications from bob but not bambi and pp(if i rmb these names correctly) despite him previously throwing a tantrum over meta. i'm not sure if think is white-knighting or buddying, i think it's buddying.

there's also the townread on himself which is kind of lol. i think this is more of a him/playstyle thing and not super alignment indicative, but:
1056 his own towncase on himself has 0 towntells. him acknowledging that he does these as scum help his case less. claiming he has even townier things that he wouldn't do as scum under his "many other actions i will omit" and then never stating them. pretty bad, not really scummy, but doesn't help him look good. nor is it something he would do as town to engage and convince people.


tl;dr:
reads are poorly supported, lazy. typical scum emulating scumhunting kind of reads. never really bothers to look beyond textbook tells, which imo are important with this playerlist.
rigid playstyle makes me think scum sticking to his format, as opposed to if he were town and being able to adapt and not worry about getting caught.

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:I am new to this site. That’s true. So why don’t I express confusion often? I don’t know, maybe because there are places like the wiki to read! In fact, I

did

ask what hypoclaiming is in my very first post in this game, as that term wasn’t used in any of the places I’ve played mafia or the wiki.

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:I think there are two parts to my play style that make you think it’s “rigid”. One part of my play style that’s bothering you isn’t “rigid,” per se. It’s more like, “There are certain, very special things that will let you as scum to me with near certainty.” Some of them include (in order of most scummy to least): Lolhammering, outright refusing to cooperate, and not going after your strongest reads. I find those to be serious offenses.

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:You’re trying to convince me that a lolhammer is a lazy scumtell? So if [insert your strongest row read here] hammered someone as soon as that person was at E-1, you wouldn’t express suspicion towards the former? I don’t believe that.

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:Again, I brushed off a vague claim of “5 years of meta” that tried to excuse everything Not_Mafia did. If someone had actually decided to be specific and bring up an example, which Bob eventually did, I would have considered the meta. Not that anything can

fully

excuse someone from doing all that stuff.

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:I’d have been voted out before Dong was if I played the way people on some sites do.. I’m trying to get used to the particular way Mafia is played here, so

of course

my gameplay is “textbooky”. “Textbooks” give you all the relevant information you need to play the game, and I’d rather be informed but “rigid” than uninformed and flexible. I’m eschewing flexibility, social bonding, and learning along the way in favor of more efficient scumhunting and having a general understanding of the way mafia is played here.

In post 1230, GeniusGamer wrote:

In post 1229, MURDERCAT wrote:

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.

GG people in this sir have player a lot of Mafia, they usually don't make mistakes like that. You have to look deeper

GG people on this site have played*

I get the general meaning of your post, but can you clear up that typo?

In post 1225, MURDERCAT wrote:

In post 1210, Not_Mafia wrote:Lol like I would ever strategise or co-operate with my partners

It's bob behind the scene organizing it all obviously, we are just puppets

In post 1242, GeniusGamer wrote:You said a newbie would be confused. I provided an example of me being confused due to not having played on this site often. What is your point there?

In post 1228, GeniusGamer wrote:For when you finish reading my essay: Lost, who would you like to be eliminated today? Please give at least 2 or 3 people.

In post 1197, Lost wrote:

In post 1192, Lost wrote:the second is kind of a toss up between you and nm. bambi/isis/mwnn are kinda in a grey area

for clarity, but not entirely accurate, merely to serve as a rough gauge:

gg > tayl0r > nm > isis > bambi > mwnn

In post 1227, GeniusGamer wrote:Let me make this joke thing really clear from my point of view.

If you want to joke, you should do it in a way that makes very clear the fact that you’re joking

. I still don’t think Bambi was joking. No, I don’t think you have to put large red text stating “this is a joke”. No, I don’t think you even have to put it in a spoiler. But Bambi’s post just didn’t look at all like a joke. It did not look at all like someone defending a joke they made. It instead looked like someone who slipped or did something scummy, and then became overly defensive in their backtracking, something that scum players are more likely to do.