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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:20 pm
by Raya36
Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:21 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:21 pm
by Mistyx
In post 1226, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
This is very similar to what you did on D1 - shaded multiple players without much context to have it make much sense.
i was literally stating my townreads
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:22 pm
by Mistyx
In post 1225, Raya36 wrote:Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
it directly contradicts red's result
how does that make them look like less of a threat
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:25 pm
by Raya36
In post 1224, Mistyx wrote: In post 1222, Smoke and Mirrors wrote: In post 1202, Mistyx wrote: In post 1200, Infinity Zero wrote: In post 1188, Mistyx wrote:why raya, and why not titus?
i had titus as town because the way she handled her claim felt pro-town, plus her push on perfume felt internally consistent
i also liked her vote on vax
Tbf I had Titus in my lower TR tier
But I felt like townbinning her was too much atp
Meanwhile Raya’s Vax vote was one Infinity quickly pegged as town and I felt good about her contributions from what I read. So if you liked Titus’ vote you should have liked Raya’s too. Nancy was calling out Titus for playing in a way that suggested she needed to push specific miselims but I think your PoE was too wide and that suggests you’re trying to leave more miselim options open.
-Protocol
i've been burned by players by raya a lot before so i don't think the level of contribution is something clearing
so who are the mislims i'm trying to keep available then
You are seriously arguing that scum!Raya NKs the player who has her as his strongest tr?
i think that argument applies more strongly to scum who might be substantially pushed the next day
raya wasn't in a bad enough thread position to need unwnd defending her
Mistyx, you're wrong here. I wasn't in a position that I needed to towncred for pushing the momentum to my partner. And unless for the sake of my other partner I wouldn't NK someone who townreads me strong enough to basically sheep me.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:26 pm
by Mistyx
i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:27 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed
which is inf/raya/s+m
i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually
i want to talk about
1147/
1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.
You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:27 pm
by Mistyx
primarily directed to nancy but left as an open question
if you think my PoE is bad then show me which of my townreads i'm wrong on and why
because i'm tired of just getting told i'm wrong repeatedly and getting brushed off when i ask how
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:28 pm
by Mistyx
In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote: In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed
which is inf/raya/s+m
i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually
i want to talk about
1147/
1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.
You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
it's a hypothetical that bob brought up literally in the post before me
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:29 pm
by Raya36
In post 1228, Mistyx wrote: In post 1225, Raya36 wrote:Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
it directly contradicts red's result
how does that make them look like less of a threat
Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:30 pm
by Mistyx
In post 1234, Raya36 wrote: In post 1228, Mistyx wrote: In post 1225, Raya36 wrote:Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
it directly contradicts red's result
how does that make them look like less of a threat
Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart
if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red
if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:31 pm
by Mistyx
maybe its just red/chara both scum
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:31 pm
by Raya36
In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:
i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing
Ok then if you're only point against me is that I NKed Unwnd for the sake of my partner then by that logic Unwnd was strongly scumreading my supposed partner right? So who's my partner I was so desperate to save by NKing the person who townreads me the most. Also if that's your only point against me then couldn't that apply to literally anyone..
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:32 pm
by Raya36
In post 1231, Smoke and Mirrors wrote: In post 1207, Mistyx wrote:if red/chara t/t i dislike everyone who immediately voted chara after they claimed
which is inf/raya/s+m
i think inf looks bad for their reaction to the claim if red is town at all actually
i want to talk about
1147/
1148 a bit - raya, s+m, can you explain why that logic doesn't apply to scum!chara as well? and wouldn't it be more likely that town!chara told the truth about their claim if they knew the red check wasn't real?
How tf could Red/Chara be tvt here? Red is claiming a guilty on them? Otoh, saying that about me/Titus would actually make sense. Nothing you’re saying here is making an iota of sense.
You have 2 players - one of whom claimed an actual guilty on the other. In what world are you possibly reading that as tvt? *Head explodes*
Chara/Misty team?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:32 pm
by Mistyx
In post 1237, Raya36 wrote: In post 1230, Mistyx wrote:
i think this is a reasonable enough possibility that the argument isn't clearing
Ok then if you're only point against me is that I NKed Unwnd for the sake of my partner then by that logic Unwnd was strongly scumreading my supposed partner right? So who's my partner I was so desperate to save by NKing the person who townreads me the most. Also if that's your only point against me then couldn't that apply to literally anyone..
it's not a point against you
it's me arguing how that point isn't in your favor
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:33 pm
by Mistyx
because of the vax flip d1 i found it easier to clear people than feel strongly about killing them this game so i've been playing this game from the top down
you're in my PoE because i don't have a strong reason to clear you
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:33 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
In post 1211, Mistyx wrote:this is nancy right
why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange
Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.
Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:34 pm
by Mistyx
In post 1241, Smoke and Mirrors wrote: In post 1211, Mistyx wrote:this is nancy right
why do you think infinity is obvtown? i have more experience with gamma than i do infinity and don't think gamma's outside of his scumrange
Because pretty much everything they’ve posted makes so much sense. Then you haven’t played with Gamma nearly enough. I hard tr that slot both by play and meta. I think if you were town here, you’d argue that the scumreads on you are wrong but your posts would still make sense.
Iow, your PoE would actually not be entirely composed of myself and my strongest trs in it.
then for the fifth time who am i wrong on
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:34 pm
by Raya36
In post 1235, Mistyx wrote: In post 1234, Raya36 wrote: In post 1228, Mistyx wrote: In post 1225, Raya36 wrote:Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
it directly contradicts red's result
how does that make them look like less of a threat
Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart
if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red
if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something
No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:35 pm
by Smoke and Mirrors
In post 1214, Mistyx wrote:okay well
we still do have a mafia game to play
if chara/red are t/t, who do you think is scum?
In what world can they possibly be t/t?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:35 pm
by Mistyx
is it catboi? is it twins? is it jjh?
you've called pretty much everyone else town
so if i'm town here who should i be scumreading, according to you?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:35 pm
by Raya36
And draw that much attention to themselves and almost guarantee 1 elimed?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:35 pm
by Mistyx
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:36 pm
by Mistyx
In post 1243, Raya36 wrote: In post 1235, Mistyx wrote: In post 1234, Raya36 wrote: In post 1228, Mistyx wrote: In post 1225, Raya36 wrote:Red claimed Chara has a weapon of mass destruction and Chara's claim was mostly around defense. Makes sense from Scum!Chara because it makes them appear more innocent and less of a threat and is also dramatically different than the guilty claim
it directly contradicts red's result
how does that make them look like less of a threat
Read their claim and tell me if that makes you feel threatened. Red says Chara is a mass murderer and has a weapon of mass destruction. Chara comes back and claims to be innocent and has has abilities like flinch and reducing the opponent's attack. All around defense. Helpless in the sense of murder. If Chara is scum here it's very smart
if chara is scum it's not smart because they just get killed for their claim contradicting red
if chara was scum and wanted to not die by d3 they would claim something that is a weapon of destruction because it's a very blatant gunsmith soft so they would claim vig or something
No, if Chara is scum they want their claim to contradict or else everyone will just believe the guilty because it's close enough to the claim to be possible. It's a 1v1 between red and chara with very little chance of it being called tvt. I think you're scum with Chara trying to pull off this narrative though
why do they want to contradict
that just ensures they die either today or after red
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:36 pm
by Raya36
In post 1240, Mistyx wrote:because of the vax flip d1 i found it easier to clear people than feel strongly about killing them this game so i've been playing this game from the top down
you're in my PoE because i don't have a strong reason to clear you
Alright, benefit of the doubt it's just because of my pov but I feel my push against Vax should be enough