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What happened to the third?

I suppose I'd like to ask how you arrived at the conclusion that scum is in me/Farren/redtea whether that be from townreading elsewhere or something directly pinging you from any of those three

Amazingly, in my current solve, you've identified every single town player, plus you

I mean I thought I implied that the other one would probably be between Dan and Eso, but okay

In post 1226, Morning Tweet wrote:I suppose I'd like to ask how you arrived at the conclusion that scum is in me/Farren/redtea whether that be from townreading elsewhere or something directly pinging you from any of those three

Amazingly, in my current solve, you've identified every single town player, plus you

I'm bad at figuring out what to do with reads, so I just figured that it was likely 2 of three scummiest players imo would be scum

In post 1228, flow trap wrote:I'm bad at figuring out what to do with reads

I would like to change "what to do with" with "how to solve"

In post 1227, flow trap wrote:

IT'S ME >:3

I mean I thought I implied that the other one would probably be between Dan and Eso, but okay

In post 1228, flow trap wrote:

In post 1226, Morning Tweet wrote:I suppose I'd like to ask how you arrived at the conclusion that scum is in me/Farren/redtea whether that be from townreading elsewhere or something directly pinging you from any of those three

Amazingly, in my current solve, you've identified every single town player, plus you

I'm bad at figuring out what to do with reads, so I just figured that it was likely 2 of three scummiest players imo would be scum :neutral:

I mean no, usually the scummiest players are who I'd assume are scum unless there's a specific associative-type reason that prohibits some from being with each other

You havent said anything about Dann this game except an early game post of his you liked

I see one place where you said Esooa is townier for linking her meta... i think

You haven't said jack about me cause id remember that prolly. Well except you said my effort isn't AI, but that doesnt really say anything abt my alignment

You've mentioned scumreading redtea and you called them shading you once but you never actually explained it

You sheeped Ich on Farren and mentioned something about Ich's read on Farren being reliable cause it worked on you

And you have spent a lot of time townleaning and defending T3 (this is your most vocal read)

.....and I've summed up everything I know of your reads. So overall, no, I don't think it's obvious at all why your team is 2 of Morning/redtea/Farren + 1 of Esooa/Dann

Like i have no idea why

Basically all I know is that you think T3 is town

In post 1223, flow trap wrote:Would you like to provide a reason why my paragraph is completely wrong?

"Completely wrong" is not a reasonable standard here. But we can take a look at it regardless.

In post 1152, flow trap wrote:Scum has more of an obligation due to their life being more important.

I don't think T3 voting Farren is scummy either, I don't see the point of pushing someone who isn't viable, and it makes sense that someone would push the most viable one otherwise it wouldn't be the most viable

. Tbh sometimes I make a read and forget why so I make up a reason that sounds like it could work only to remember later. I do agree that saying I don't do X as scum isn't a good argument though. Saying being bad at defending yourself could potentially fall under fallacy fallacy, so it would probably be better to focus on how they do what they do instead of what they do. The casual language and the short sentences are a good sign due to an unconscious bias when trying to appease someone to use "fancy text." They've already said they haven't made up reads, just "making up or greatly exaggerating reasons." To peruse this line of making up reads is likely misrepresenting what they meant.

Pushing someone who isn't viable can either help make someone viable. Ideally accompanied by a well-reasoned case. Or pushing someone who isn't viable can help the pusher reevaluate the read. (That works on people who are viable too.)

Casual language and short sentences are more of a stylistic choice, for the most part. I prefer the alternative, unless there's something urgent at hand (see: the end of D1). This also comes across as a veiled jab to me, given that it's how I tend to operate.

Seeing something lengthy show up in a hurry can be suspicious - could be evidence of staging. Other than that? Disagree.

"Making up or greatly exaggerating reasons" is one of the reasons why I scumread T3. Taking that as "making up reads" - it can certainly be a sign of making up reads. Granted, it could be a case of acting like Ich Troje - but to me, it comes across more as an attempt to make people think he's acting like Ich Troje. Especially since T3's playstyle and Ich Troje's playstyle do not seem to match. I would not describe this as "misreprensenting" - more like "A is evidence of B."

Also Farren is the most viable elim today besides T3 so I dont really see what flow is talking abt

Think that was the point - justifying T3's vote as non-scummy due to my viability.

I feel like making votes simply because someone is viable and you want to stay alive is typically less towny than making votes based on who you believe is scum

And when you back that up with how many of T3's votes have followed that pattern (D1 EoD onto Farren then Enchant) and how he pretends like it is related to his reads (today) and not survivability, it starts to get unbelievable

If T3 is town he's perfectly emulating the way scum plays which is basically just faking his reads in ways that keep him alive the longest possible. Like where can you see T3 actually solving anywhere in this game. idgi

oh hey, sorry I left I always forgot about MS games I think they're too slow for me

you know what
you know what i had some posts ready
but no
fuck this shit
this is ridiculous

this is too much for my brain
VOTE: dannflor

we have 4 proactive town players me, mt, farren, and dann. in my experience a group that large indicates 1 scum among them.
This will give us THE tea on associations so we can solve this game.

*a group of proactive town players that large

why am I scum, redtea?

why am i more likely to be scum than t3/flowtrap?

if he's town we're in the same sticky situation as we would be if we vote anyone other than farren today anyway
if he's scum we heaven farren tomorrow and i will not hear otherwise

like it's kind of somewhat imperative that we hit scum today. It's not eliminate or lose yet but it makes the game a lot easier if we get at least one red flip today instead of going to judgement day

which really isn't the situation where you start hunting for deeper wolves

unless you suddenly have a very hard scum read on me but that's not what this seems to be?

In post 1241, redtea wrote:if he's scum we heaven farren tomorrow and i will not hear otherwise

why couldn't farren and I be aligned?

In post 1236, redtea wrote:you know what
you know what i had some posts ready
but no
fuck this shit
this is ridiculous

I'm not really sure what it is you're reacting to here ?

In post 1240, Dannflor wrote:why am I scum, redtea?

why am i more likely to be scum than t3/flowtrap?

you're in the middle of the venn diagram of like every scum team guess.

i expect if you flip scum, next hell phase we flip flow or t3 then anyway. If either of them flip scum, we win. If not, the exalted town (ich, farren) have plenty of information to make their guess.

lol this is wacky af im down

VOTE: Dann

In post 1245, redtea wrote:you're in the middle of the venn diagram of like every scum team guess.

that's not really a reason. why do you, personally, think that I'm scum?

this feels extremely icky considering when considering ich troje's reads before they got heavened

assuming their reads haven't changed drastically I'm not in their pool to shoot, eliminating me keeps ich troje's pool of suspects wider and makes it less likely for them to hit

why this sudden pivot

what suddenly made you believe I was the best elimination over t3? this doesn't feel real

In post 1242, Dannflor wrote:like it's kind of somewhat imperative that we hit scum today. It's not eliminate or lose yet but it makes the game a lot easier if we get at least one red flip today instead of going to judgement day

which really isn't the situation where you start hunting for deeper wolves

unless you suddenly have a very hard scum read on me but that's not what this seems to be?

i already explained my reasoning buddy boy. It's my practically fool-proof PoE method.

you and farren aren't aligned because farren's town. And if he's not, well fuck one scum in hell and one in heaven isn't the worst state to be in.

In post 1242, Dannflor wrote:like it's kind of somewhat imperative that we hit scum today. It's not eliminate or lose yet but it makes the game a lot easier if we get at least one red flip today instead of going to judgement day

which really isn't the situation where you start hunting for deeper wolves

unless you suddenly have a very hard scum read on me but that's not what this seems to be?

we've been waffling on whether or not to eliminate one of the biggest trs in this game, farren, since before this phase started. Where was the concern then.

no one has seriously pushed farren and I have not been on board to eliminate farren today

as far as I'm concerned flow/t3 are the two best pushes today