mini normal 2226; who won

[MathBlade]

I don’t know.

The reason T3 is in the town block is because Star Wars.
If Star Wars didn’t happen then we’d be looking at a different game.

I know this is a shit answer but I think it’s the best I can do.

This here. I literally couldn’t answer because it was predicated on that section and if I give my opinion on said section it’s anti town. So Star Wars.

[MathBlade]

Okay I have learned the amount of Leverage gifs you have is insane and I have no earthly idea what you’re trying to say lmao. I think Eliot’s face is the closest to mine right now.

That's the point.

giphy.com

Your point is to entirely confuse me and not have me hunt?

The first part is a success the latter won’t happen so????

Like what?

No. The point is a love your surly butt and it's going to come together as expected.

*smiles*

The point is “a love your surly butt”?

That doesn’t even make grammatical sense and we’re family so I am going to ignore this.

Glad you have a plan then.

Until someone talks with me with words I am going to hunt because I am pretty sure I am literally incapable of understanding this.

[Lukewarm]

Oh look I'm getting wagoned. I could jump on Chaos if it's him or me but I haven't seen any good reason to suspect him aside from "read this other game to see his meta" which I'm just not going to do.

I really don’t like the fact me and a top scumread are both thinking it’s a weird kill so maybe it’s just not?

This is a very weird line of thought. Why on earth would someone else thinking it's a weird kill mean it isn't one, scumread or not? What exactly is the connection here?

@Umlaut

Also, he did respond to these, but his iso is 9 posts long, so I feel like you can manage to find them yourself to see his defense/counter argument

Spoiler:

Chaos also looks worse on a closer look. As of now he has commented on T3, and Flubber, and thats it.

And even with the two of them, he has been stand offish of taking stances. Despite having interacted with T3, I have no idea if he thinks that T3 is townie or scummy? So that leaves Chaos's only read in thread to be flubber.

And, with Flubber, he also held back...

post 71, joins the Flubber wagon with no comment on it what so ever.

Post 101, asks Seanzie for thoughts on the flubber interaction, but still has not voiced any thoughts on it themselves

It is not until 227 that he actually appears to be adding to the case, and that is after I have moved my vote, datsi has said they were starting to get town pings, and Aristeia removed her vote.

This feels like scum, but also never scum with Flubber, so if he does flip scum, flubber is probably lock town imo

VOTE: Chaos

Basically, posts 71 and 101 feel like scum trying to help the wagon pass while also not looking like they are the one leading the push. Asking Seanzie's opinion also felt like a manipulative way to get an extra vote on the wagon.

And then 227 feels like scum realizing that their early day 1 miselim is starting to slip away, and finally stepping in to try and keep it on the table

Me: I see something I found suspicious about Flubber, so I vote him and explain my suspicions

Flubber: Explains his thought process behind the things that I found suspicious

Me: I moved my vote

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Me: I see something that found suspicious about Aristeia, so I vote her and explain my suspicions

Aristeia: Responds to the thing that I found suspicious, and provides a read lsit

Me: I move my vote

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Me: I see somethings Chaos has done that I find suspicious, so I vote him and explain my suspicions

Chaos:
~Vote: Luke
~actually I never did anything wrong, and and address the reasons Luke stated to scum read me and
~actually, wasn't Luke being suspicious earlier, when he did this other interaction with Aristeia
~(Of course, I never voiced any opinions on either Luke or Aristeia until Luke started voting me)

Is my vote not a comment on what I think of the wagon?

No

If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?

Would you call scum "describing a reason why they scum read the person they are currently voting" as desperate? I didn't, and wouldn't. That is a strange interpretation of my words.

The jump on and off of Aristeia doesn't feel natural to me. Did you scumread her when you voted her in 171?

What does not feel natural to you? I said she did not have reads, and that was worrying to me. She gave a read list, and provided reasonings when asked.

As for other reads I have, Umlaut, Seanzie, Vulture, and Datisi for town, something about Gamma is pinging me, but I can't really put it into words, so I'm ignoring it for now, still think Flubber is scum, the push on Seanzie and his post about mindmelding w/ Titus reads phony.

See, this is what I find strange about your response. One of the things that I said was bothering me was that you don't have reads out there

[sp//oiler=]

As of now he has commented on T3, and Flubber, and thats it.

And even with the two of them, he has been stand offish of taking stances. Despite having interacted with T3, I have no idea if he thinks that T3 is townie or scummy? So that leaves Chaos's only read in thread to be flubber.

And, with Flubber, he also held back...

[/sp//oiler]

And you see me make that point. Apparently realize that you should put some reads out out, but then also don't realize that I had a point, and therefore valid reason to pressure you for reads?

There seems to me to be a bit of cognitive dissonance between the omgus voting me reaction (which when coming from town, I find normally comes from a place of feeling like the reasons the person is scum reading you are non-genuine), while also addressing my biggest concern about you in this way.

[Titus]

It's a typo.
I love your surly butt. (Like a brother.)

[MathBlade]

Oh look I'm getting wagoned. I could jump on Chaos if it's him or me but I haven't seen any good reason to suspect him aside from "read this other game to see his meta" which I'm just not going to do.

I really don’t like the fact me and a top scumread are both thinking it’s a weird kill so maybe it’s just not?

This is a very weird line of thought. Why on earth would someone else thinking it's a weird kill mean it isn't one, scumread or not? What exactly is the connection here?

Agreeing with a scumread is a sign something is either wrong with your scumread or you’re a pocket/set up to be pocketed/or it’s an agreement to get you to think otherwise.

What are your thoughts about the game so far? Any reads?

[MathBlade]

It's a typo.
I love your surly butt. (Like a brother.)

Great! Then talk with me and don’t play charades.

[Titus]

It's a typo.
I love your surly butt. (Like a brother.)

Great! Then talk with me and don’t play charades.

But Charades is how I talk about Star Wars.

[MathBlade]

It's a typo.
I love your surly butt. (Like a brother.)

Great! Then talk with me and don’t play charades.

But Charades is how I talk about Star Wars.

Then change the channel?

There’s a lot of players left alive and lots of topics to talk about.

Approximately half the game has a naked vote somewhere. Does this mean something to you?

[Aristeia]

MB who would you like to vote for?

[MathBlade]

Chaos (2): Alchemist21 1176, Lukewarm 1177
Umlaut (2): ChaosOmega 1179, Datisi 1182, Gamma, Titus

not voting: Vulture, Umlaut, MathBlade, Aristeia, Not_Mafia

Now assume me and Ari are town like you’re implying.

Premise 1: Me + Ari are town.
Premise 2: There are likely 3 scum.
Premise 3: Excluding me and Ari the only non voters are Vulture, Umlaut, and Not Mafia.

Conclusion: Either the team is exactly Vulture Umlaut Not Mafia
Or
There is a scum in the naked voters
Or
A prior assumption Ari is town is wrong (technically the assumption I am town falls here but I know I am town so I am hand waving that away).

I am pretty sure in my Prism townread so I think there’s scum in the naked voters.

If there’s scum in the naked voters it becomes a matter of which wagon and why.

So I have a lot of premises built up and I am looking to figure out which premises are true.

Trying to play interpret the gif sucks.

Pedit: If this wagon situation wasn’t here you.
I may not understand what is going on but I don’t want to derail it until I find if there’s scum on it.

[MathBlade]

MB who would you like to vote for?

Are you going to answer my question?

[Aristeia]

what question? I missed it sorry : (

[Titus]

Approximately half the game has a naked vote somewhere. Does this mean something to you?

Yes. We've joined a streaker's convention.

[MathBlade]

I feel kind of lost...

that is a very strange nightkill and I feel it means I've been pocketed badly :<

What did you do after Meg flipped town?

@Ari >> This one. I want inside your head after your solution earlier was proven wrong. You said you had a solution, now it’s wrong. If you’re town I would expect adjustment. What did you do?

[MathBlade]

Approximately half the game has a naked vote somewhere. Does this mean something to you?

Yes. We've joined a streaker's convention.

Making me laugh is not helpful but you should probably put some pants on.

[Aristeia]

Mostly cried and had paranoid thoughts about Datisi being a scumbag who's playing with my heart.

[MathBlade]

Mostly cried and had paranoid thoughts about Datisi being a scumbag who's playing with my heart.

Why Datisi? What did you do to see if these paranoid thoughts are correct or not?

I am trying to see your thought process from overnight where your reads where to seeing the flip to now and getting where your reads are now. I want to see that progression.

[Aristeia]

well I'm waiting to see what he does today unprompted and it's not very good.

I don't really understand what everyone's voting for and I think I've messed things up enough yesterday that I want to see what happens without me.

[Aristeia]

it's like one of those things that happens and you think everyone knows more than you do and you're just like dumb and you think well let's see where this goes.

[MathBlade]

Give me a reason this isn’t TvT and you’re waiting on the sidelines
Or This has one or more scum buddies and you’re hoping it goes away.

Give me a reason you’re town here.
I don’t get what’s happening here either but I am hunting things. Asking questions.

What are you doing to figure out your reads?

Okay you suspect Datisi, why not pressure him? See if he responds or if someone defends him?

[Lukewarm]

Mostly cried and had paranoid thoughts about Datisi being a scumbag who's playing with my heart.

I actually had a similar worry during the night phase

But, my thinking requires a confirmation in scum!chaos, so I was holding off voicing the concern until after a chaos flip

[Lukewarm]

Mostly cried and had paranoid thoughts about Datisi being a scumbag who's playing with my heart.

I actually had a similar worry during the night phase

But, my thinking requires a confirmation in scum!chaos, so I was holding off voicing the concern until after a chaos flip

Or I guess, until it looked like chaos was gonna flip today.

[Aristeia]

I have no idea what Umlaut or Chaos alignments are.

I don't know whether this is TvT.

I'm town because my role pm is green.

I'm not doing anything to figure out my reads, I threw them in the trash yesterday and I'll re-do them when I have time to.

[MathBlade]

See here’s the situation I am in. People think you are X. I will not say whether I agree or not that you’re X as I believe that breaks the spirit of an alt. What I do know is that from this game there’s a quiet secretive player who’s not asking anything.

Do you have a game under this alt with a similar meta with you town?

Like I am trying to meet Titus half way here and I am just not seeing it and I am scared.

[MathBlade]

Mostly cried and had paranoid thoughts about Datisi being a scumbag who's playing with my heart.

I actually had a similar worry during the night phase

But, my thinking requires a confirmation in scum!chaos, so I was holding off voicing the concern until after a chaos flip

Or I guess, until it looked like chaos was gonna flip today.

Why were you thinking Chaos is gonna flip from a naked vote?

Why do you think scum Chaos implies scum Datisi?