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In post 12323, Caesar Wills It wrote:

Your Emperor deserves more splendid lodging. We have commanded the construction a grand Forbidden Palace, that all may know Our Splendor and Magnificence.

In post 12224, Vecna wrote:UNVOTE: Leonshade

This town actually needs some more time for proper instructions.

PLAN TO VICTORY:

TOWN NEEDS TO TAKE THE NEIGHBOURHOOD AND ROLEBLOCK MIRACLE TODAY. THIS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE

DAVESAZ, WHILE A NOBLE SOUL THAT TRIED TO BE SUBTLE, IS THE CLEAR HOLDER OF CHICHEN ITZA. SCUM KNOWS THIS, AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT HIM AT ALL COSTS

IF WE CAN GET THE ROLEBLOCK ON TOWN, WE KNOW THAT IT COULD ONLY BE CREATURE (=double scum lynch in case of roleblock)

BOTH TOWN DOCTORS SHOULD BE ON DAVESAZ. NEIGHBOURHOOD WONDER CAN INVITE DAVE + SOMEONE ELSE THEYD LIKE TO PROTECT/WIFOM

GOOD DISTRIBUTION OF WONDER SUBMISSION:

2 TOWN FOR THE NEIGHBOURHOOD WONDER

1 TOWN FOR THE TOWN-CONFIRM WONDER (Pref on someone like CEASAR/NERO)

ALL OTHER TOWN ON THE RoleBlock TO DENY IT TO SCUM.

THIS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE.

In post 12327, CloudKicker wrote:yo im not low hanging fruit

In post 12141, Alisae wrote:Hey Math.
Remember when you had an Elbrin/LUV/Vecna/Yuri/Spiffy scumteam?

In post 12143, Caesar Wills It wrote:

By Jupiter, it seems We are part of the problem! Very well, like Our inimitable grand uncle Julius, We shall lead by example and cast the first stone.

VOTE: Leonshade

In post 12151, nancy wrote:Davesaz is essentially conftown. Maxous and Creature share alignment. RC doesn't do cases as either alignment. He "checks out" as scum. I can read RC better than nearly anyone on site. He's just waiting to read the room right now.

{RC, Leonshade, Creature, Maxous} are all scum.

In post 12164, Vecna wrote:

In post 12083, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:

In post 12079, Vecna wrote:Also, the way these two camps start shaping up almost makes it feel like this game is multi-ball after all.

We've gone 3 night phases without having 2 kills in a night. I'm willing to bet it's not multi-ball at this stage.

Yeah I wasnt being completely serious, obviously its not multiball - its just funny that theres almost two camps forming.

In post 12166, Vecna wrote:

In post 12095, MathBlade wrote:First let's note that the teams here have four people and PV is missing which generally is a nod to my PV is scum theory and probably a scum claim from Vecna and if Vecna thought PV was town and based on what he said at the start of the game his scum team options would have 5 people. Setting that aside for the moment we go into these scum team suggestions more in depth.

Scum team option 1 of Maxous Leonshade Gorkington (originally Elbrin) and (Creature) not sure why the parenthesis from Vecna but I'm going to roll with it for now.
This sample of a VC was at Yuri's peak

Yuri (9): Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade
beeboy (4): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage

And this is what happens an hour later.
beeboy (5): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage, Spiffeh
Yuri (4): Vecna, beeboy, Nero Cain, Leonshade

This team would mean that none of the scum team suggested by Vecna as Vecna isn't going to suggest themselves being town until the 9th vote on Yuri. This would mean an all town wagon for the first 8 votes on Yuri. That almost never happens barring someone being absolutely ridiculous and so antitown everyone can't stand them (see me in SU2). Yuri was lurking pretty hard core at the start of the game.

This makes that first team rather unlikely. Now let's look at the second suggestion more in depth.

Interesting........it could also mean the first team is correct and Yuri is their 5th, no?

In post 12169, Vecna wrote:

In post 12100, MathBlade wrote:So in short it is almost certain Vecna's scum teams are horribly flawed at this point.

Namely I also find that with the scumreads disappearing off the Yuri/Vecna slots not entering into Vecna's reads is fishy as fuck.

Vecna needs to reexamine its' reads.

If you had read the last 25 pages, you'd have seen that that is something that has been going on

At any rate, its hard to take 500 pages into account when just putting my impressions out there, you can take it down a notch on the shading. But I do appreciate in your inputs since they have some valid concerns (but also take into account that unlikely does not always mean untrue).

In post 12172, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 12168, Vecna wrote:More recent thoughts

Math is intentionally not reading part of the game. I don't know why town would do that.

In post 12175, Vecna wrote:

In post 12111, MathBlade wrote:

Spoiler: Main D2 wagons

Main Wagon 1
Caesar Wills It (6): Creature, Spiffeh, Akane and Nebby,

The DEO

, Brian Skies, Elbirn

Main Wagon 2

Albert B. Rampage

(6): Lil Uzi Vert, Leonshade,

MathBlade

, nancy, Vecna, Akane and Nebby

Main Wagon 3
Vecna (7): Caesar Wills It, Nero Cain,

Albert B. Rampage

, Elbirn, Maxous, Brian Skies, nancy

Albert B. Rampage

(5): Lil Uzi Vert,

MathBlade

, Vecna, Akane and Nebby, davesaz
ssbm_Kyouko (4): Yuri, Leonshade, Maxous, Akane and Nebby


Vecna (7): Caesar Wills It, Nero Cain,

Albert B. Rampage

, Elbirn, Brian Skies, nancy, Creature

Albert B. Rampage

(4): Lil Uzi Vert,

MathBlade

, Vecna, davesaz
ssbm_Kyouko (4): Yuri, Leonshade, Maxous, Akane and Nebby

These were the main D2 wagons. The lynch then was switched to ABR.

Now if we assume Yuri is scum then almost certainly the ssbm slot/Cloudkicker slot is town due to how long the Yuri slot left their vote on ssbm. Keep in mind scum would have likely built daychat at this point (assuming they are not idiots and with three mislynches I'm okay assuming that I think) and scum likely have night chat so almost certainly I don't see if Yuri scum them baby sitting their vote on scum that long with all that going on.

The people not on Yuri but on beeboy are and are not a person Yuri sat their vote on:PV and Vecna.

So if Yuri is scum then nancy most likely is and at least one of PV/Vecna probably is.

This post contains errors math. Scum leaving their vote on a teammate as an easy park happens rather often, since its the easiest place to have it parked since you'll always have an explanation (and atm I think Yuri + cloudkicker is actually a rather likely scum combination). The conclusion about me is false as well since I was actually on Yuri.

In post 12177, Vecna wrote:

In post 12115, MathBlade wrote:Albert B. Rampage (10): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko, Brian Skies
ssbm_Kyouko (6): Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Coming back to the end of the day if Yuri is scum then that's two wagons on town at the end of the day. This makes Sondam, NoticeMeSenpai, and Elbrin would have one scum in it, if any.
So any team with NoticeMeSenpai and Elbrin in it together is probably wrong.

You put too much trust on scum teammembers not parking their vote on eachother. Parking it on eachother there while this big TvT shitfest in me vs ABR is going on is a quite likely scum strategy since itll look better on them later on when people like you do this type of VCA.

In post 12186, Vecna wrote:Ok so short to do list; see if a team composition can be made that makes some sense with voting/behaviour around the day 1/2 wagons. Update the two team/tiers.

Check into that SSBM iso to see if my initial idea chops wood.

In post 12189, Vecna wrote:Townlocks;

Nancy
Alisae
Math
LUV
Vecna
Jaereed?
DaveSaz? (will have to read up as well to see if he indeed is the obv Chichen-guy since I missed that)

TEAM 1:
Nero Cain - interesting to see if this team also makes sense without Nero potentially
Cloudkicker
Gorkington - could be scum pissed at being scumread for the wrong reasons by being incorrectly linked to Leon
Ceasar
(Yuri)

TEAM 2:
Leonshade
Maxous
Creature
(Gorkington)
(Yuri) think this fits here as well
(RC)

Something along these lines.....No Math, I did not check yet whether this all makes 100% sense with everything that has happened this game.

In post 12338, MathBlade wrote:

In post 12172, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 12168, Vecna wrote:More recent thoughts

Math is intentionally not reading part of the game. I don't know why town would do that.

...I am reading it I"m just catching up as I'm going so I can provide content that people can see.

What Nero did is shade FYI. He knows I'm town and doesn't understand what I'm doing.

In post 12199, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 12189, Vecna wrote:Nancy
Alisae
Math
LUV
Vecna
Jaereed?
DaveSaz? (will have to read up as well to see if he indeed is the obv Chichen-guy since I missed that)

your top 3 town reads have done nothing but lynch and vote town. (lynched Bee, ABR. TBF DEO wasn't on the Bee wagon but they were scumreading them and Bee was hammered b4 they joined the wagon)

Maybe Nancy is right about RC, it seems highly possible. LUV is doing shit all. He's saying that I should be townreading him for Raw and while I guess I can see similarities it seems fairly different at the same time.

I'm not sure why Jae is suddenly a top town read after you were hard scumreading him.

In post 12344, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 12338, MathBlade wrote:

In post 12172, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 12168, Vecna wrote:More recent thoughts

Math is intentionally not reading part of the game. I don't know why town would do that.

...I am reading it I"m just catching up as I'm going so I can provide content that people can see.

What Nero did is shade FYI. He knows I'm town and doesn't understand what I'm doing.

You know I posted that last night right? I mean LAST NIGHT, you made a few comments and then left. NOW you are saying that you are catching up on what you missed after you left and are then going to go back to catch up on what you didn't read last night. You can't possibly take my comment from LAST NIGHT and apply it to TODAY. What the fuck is wrong with you?

In post 12341, MathBlade wrote:

In post 12186, Vecna wrote:Ok so short to do list; see if a team composition can be made that makes some sense with voting/behaviour around the day 1/2 wagons. Update the two team/tiers.

Check into that SSBM iso to see if my initial idea chops wood.

And day three too...Gee that sounds like you're trying to beat my VCA I wish you all the luck in the world because you're going to need it. At least you admit your teams don't make sense now. Saves me a shit ton of effort trying to convince everyone else.

THIS POST IS A SCUM CLAIM FROM VECNA!!!!!!!!!!

In post 12228, Vecna wrote:

Creature, your roleblock tonight is LIMITED to either ME or GORKINGTON. We do not want you to accidentally hit a town-doctor protecting Davesaz